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Define Progression

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Deezl
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I'll try to keep this from being a rant...here it goes.

I feel that it's high time people figure out what the hell they mean by progression. So many people on this site just throw the term around loosely every day without ever giving thought to what they actually mean. Many of the posts deal with skiing more as an industry rather than the technical progression of the sport itself but the person posting is never clear about what side they are speaking on.

Is Sage being in a Nissan ad hindering the progression of the newschool industry or the technical aspect of the sport?

Furthermore, many of the people who hark upon the progression of skiing as an industry make contradictory statements.

I read posts all the time that say "supporting core companies means more money for the sport and in turn more for the riders and sponsorships" but then whenever someone makes it big they are called a sell out. (I'm not just referring to Sage/Nissan, Look at Johnny M./MTV)

I personally don't even use the word because I feel that it's a cliche term used by individuals in our sport to pretend that they are doing something bigger in this world than just riding around on a couple of wooden sticks.


So let's hear it....What does "Progression/Progress" really mean......
Oct 10 2005 2:59PM
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johanblaze
Posts: 4987 - Karma: 345
i think nate has a very good point here. people are always bitching about "he is not helping out progression" or talking about how "he is progressing our sport soo much". well who are we "progressing" for? are we trying to impress someone?
Oct 10 2005 3:19PM
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casimiro
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I agree, progression should be left to actual skiing techniques, not a new hoodie design or commercial. yes all of these financial gains help ensure the future of freeskiing but they do not make skiing any cooler on a tech level, finances and fashion are not what makes a switch 540 cool, the trick itself relates to our sport. In no relation I would like to bitch at all the little kiddies that think they need to haver the next dope jacket to be cool, who the fuck goes online and asks what pants should i buy if I own this jacket, style is your own thing, but then again these little shits can't make up their own mind and all want gorrilla steeze and the next years oakley pants. do this shit for the real reason, skiing.
Oct 10 2005 3:22PM
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skieveryday
Posts: 660 - Karma: 19
Your rant is so similar to these EMO kids that claim a band or "artist" has gone into the shitter if they're ever to appear on MTV. And when they do, these EMO kids shit bricks and promptly get rid of any merchandise they may have. Then they put on some tight ass pants, butcher their hair and find a new band that hasn't "sold out" to listen to.

Professionals in ANY sport or market always want more. Sage probably made bank off of that Nissan ad. So what the fuck are you guys ragging on him for? MTV probably paid Johnny up the ass to do the Real World VS. Road Rules stint. So what? It doesn't make them any less talented. You hear that bitches? IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM ANY LESS TALENTED. Talent is what got them there in the first place...there's nothing wrong with using TALENT (something only few are blessed with) to your advantage.

Get your mind right! Fuck.
Oct 10 2005 3:25PM
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Deezl
Posts: 2112 - Karma: 8
Uh,

Dude no one was talking about selling out. And you pretty much just ranted in the same general direction as me. Please read the original post.

I stated that I don't understand how people think that individuals making money off the fame gained from their skiing ability hurts the "progression of the sport". I further asked people to define what they mean by progression because I feel that it's a generic term anymore that just gets thrown around so people can sound like they are working toward some imaginary "higher goal".
Oct 10 2005 3:29PM
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johanblaze
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you are a fucking moron. he never said they sold out or any of that shit. read the first post over and over again until you get it. thanks.
Oct 10 2005 3:31PM
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r_witt
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this topic has been debated no less than 1000 times on here, and i'll say what i've said each time - do what you want. ski for money, fame, "progression", girls, or just because you love it. but just go out and ski either way. bickering about the definition of words accomplishes nothing.
Oct 10 2005 4:16PM
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KeegLove
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pro·gres·sion (pr-grshn)
n.

1. The process of progressing; progress.
2. Movement from one member of a continuous series to the next.
3. A continuous series; a sequence. See Synonyms at series.
4. Mathematics. A series of numbers or quantities in which there is always the same relation between each quantity and the one succeeding it.
5. Music.
1. A succession of tones or chords.
2. A series of repetitions of a phrase, each in a new position on the scale.
Oct 10 2005 4:18PM
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johanblaze
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Main Entry: 1prog·ress
Pronunciation: 'prä-gr&s, -"gres, US also and British usually 'prO-"gres
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin progressus advance, from progredi to go forth, from pro- forward + gradi to go -- more at PRO-, GRADE
1 a (1) : a royal journey marked by pomp and pageant (2) : a state procession b : a tour or circuit made by an official (as a judge) c : an expedition, journey, or march through a region
2 : a forward or onward movement (as to an objective or to a goal) : ADVANCE
3 : gradual betterment; especially : the progressive development of mankind



check number three.
Oct 10 2005 4:29PM
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skieveryday
Posts: 660 - Karma: 19
Uh,

Hey bud, I wasn't arguing with you dumbfuck. Read MY post over and over again until you can understand it. There's a topic that was made recently regarding Sage "selling out" because of his Nissan ad. Thus, I included the "selling out" factor in my post while comparing it to the same concept that is applied in the music industry today. I AGREED with you but apparently you didn't quite understand. It's cool, no worries, you're ignorant, that's fine.

And I read your original post. If I hadn't, I wouldn't have responded.
Oct 10 2005 5:25PM
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twintipteles
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your first post started with "your rant is so similar too..." so clearly you were arguing with someone, although the only person you could have been arguing with is your other personality.
Oct 10 2005 5:34PM
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skieveryday
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Well I supposse if you look at it that way you may have thought I was arguing with him. Well excuse the fuck outta me for the wording. I wasn't disagreeing.
Oct 10 2005 5:36PM
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Deezl
Posts: 2112 - Karma: 8
^ That statement sure as hell sounds like you're saying I went off on some emo rant.

As far as me being ignorant, I'll let your childish name calling and incoherent sentences speak for themselves.
Oct 10 2005 6:11PM
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STAUSS
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progression.. has nothing to do w. the "pop" in skiing right now, or ever

progression is relavent to YOU.

progression = no style -> style.

what the pros are doing is something else.
Oct 10 2005 6:33PM
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Lax_Bro40
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pushing the limits
Oct 10 2005 6:33PM
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skieveryday
Posts: 660 - Karma: 19
No, that's not what I was getting at. Now calm the fuck down. And way to rag on my name "Deezl"...cause' yours is much more mature. I must be far more inferior to you being that you have thousands of posts. I'm sorry, Newschoolers is not a medium in which I choose to come up with large words to express myself.

I'm a journalism major here at UO, I work my ass of in school everyday trying to come up with big words and sentences. I choose to write however the fuck I want on Newschoolers because I can. If you'd like to argue some more feel free. I'll be here for another few years.
Oct 10 2005 7:27PM
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johanblaze
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his last name is deezl actually so... i'll bet you feel like an asshole don't you? and i have 5,000 posts so i fucking own you all.
Oct 10 2005 8:11PM
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Feschies
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I think progression is going bigger and bigger on jumps and spinning more and faster. It is NOT doing 540s and 720s, it is doing double and triple flips and 1440s and 1620s. I would love to see someone do a sick 1620 iron cross. It seems like everyone on here gets all caught up on "grabs" which really aren't hard to do anyways nor do they make any trick look cooler. I am focusing on being able to spin as much as I can this year.
Oct 10 2005 10:01PM
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forfun
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^ this dude got it right!
Oct 10 2005 10:08PM
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casimiro
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wow, i want to see you do a 1620 iron cross i bet that would look smooth and stylish.
Oct 10 2005 10:09PM
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Feschies
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^I don't think I will be able to do one, they look really hard. I plan on doing 900s this year.
Oct 10 2005 10:13PM
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wgjibber
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i think you can see "progression" in two different lights, one being the progression of the types of tricks we do in our sport, and the second being the types of equipment we use in our sport. So new tricks/trick ideas=progression and new inovative equipment/terrain features= progression of our sport. I feel like progression has just gotten confused with commercialism or simply how people make money off of the sport, when in reality it may or may not have anything to do with progressing the sport.

good topic somthing to think about too
Oct 10 2005 10:16PM
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Arabian.
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Progression is not bitching to each other about what progression means. Progression is having everyone pushing the limits every day makeing new tricks not sitting on their asses making arguments about the music indeustry and petty squabbling. Jackasses.
Oct 10 2005 10:21PM
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freestyle_rich
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i'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Spinning as fast as you can is not helping the sport of freesking. if that's what you want to do then why don't you do aireals instead? freeskiing, so me anyway is all about style. making things look good is more important than spinning hard, and i think that flowing from feature to feature in a terrain park looks a lot better than a 1620 iron cross.
Oct 10 2005 10:35PM
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casimiro
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I think he was being sarcastic, but im not sure.
Oct 10 2005 10:40PM
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Feschies
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^I am totally serious. Being stylish or "steesey" is an excuse for someone who can't do really big spins.
Oct 10 2005 10:45PM
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r_witt
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somebody really needs to work on a sarcasm detector for the site, a simple program with beeping that gets louder, or beeps more often as a person is more sarcastic
Oct 10 2005 10:53PM
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wgjibber
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haha whaaat then that thing would be going of every second
Oct 10 2005 10:58PM
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Deezl
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Feschies has spoken. His word is gospel.
I feel so cool that he responded to my thread. That's fucking awesome.


Anyway, someone up above made a good point and was on the same lines as what I was looking to hear. Commercialism and progression seem to often get confused.

Do you guys think that the two terms are confused because of the usage of a few pros who may have conflicting interests?

Not that it's a bad thing because they are paid to push the brand and its designs. When someone with the status of Eric Pollard or Tanner Hall claims that the brand of ski they are riding is progressing the sport isn't it a statement that begins to blur the line of progression and commerce?

Just an idea, I'm curious to hear the thoughts.
Oct 10 2005 11:06PM
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Gnarshred
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hey my name is nate too!!!
Oct 10 2005 11:08PM
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keasbynights
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to me progreesion in skiing is pushing yourslef as far as you can go, and becoming better and better and more fluid.
Oct 10 2005 11:10PM
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hollygrove
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For the pros: Just hitting more and more things in a creative way: ex. Sage in every aspect.

For the everday skier: Just going big of off cliff and whatever and having fun.
Oct 10 2005 11:26PM
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Skiertrav
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Progression to me is doing something better, even if just a little, than the last time you did it. I does not matter if someone else says it's not progressive, it's all what you think of what you are doing. If it's holding that Lui Kang a little longer, or not dropping your hands doing a 180 off that 20 foot cliff. Progression can't be defined by one catch all definition because in order to progress you have to constantly be changing your thought processes as to what is and what isn't progressing your riding. If you are not progressing, you aren't skiing (in this case), everyday is different, everything you do should teach you something about what is and what isn't progressing your riding in your OWN mind. Decide for yourself what progression is, don't let someone tell you that if you are not doing double grab switch cork 900s over 120 foot gaps(or any trick for that matter), you are not progressing. If someone tells you that, they themselves do not understand what progression is in the sense of Freestyle skiing. Skiing is more to most people on this site than just an activity, or sport, it is their life. Many define themselves by the fact that they ski. Why let someone else tell you how you "should" be progressing in YOUR lifestyle/activity/sport?
Oct 11 2005 2:35AM
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pesja
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Progression in the sport i feel is when someone work hard to make up something new. like when that cruton grab was shown in alot off movies, everybody started do it, and tried to push themself and to learn something new. cause they had seen something new and amiazing. So whoever made up that grab progressed the sport, who ever started doing zero's progressed the sport. but, when tanner hit up chads switch, that was just insane, but not really progression that people generaly will notice. cause you don't see all the local skiers hit chads switch. it was a progresion for tanner. i think that progresion is when skiers gives the sport more spice, by doing new tricks, or never seen things. just how i feel, i don't say thats how it is.
Oct 11 2005 7:12AM
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