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What the fuck is going on over at Line?

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telestar6
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Seriously does anyone know what is going on with their team. So far Wilson went to Salomon, Bibby and Parker are on K2, Skogen is on Volkl, I remember hearing that Ashley and Dash switched teams as well. The only person I haven't heard of being dumped is Pollard but I assume with all those other people getting dropped so did he. Did they just drop the whole team? I assume whatever is going on is thanks to Trak Inc. who bought out Line last year. Fuckers. So does anyone actually know what is going on.


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Sep 26 2005 3:13PM
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skimasterflex
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It was a great idea for a core brand to push the industry into making radically new bindings. Unfortunatley the idea at first was never to be the one doing it all by themselves. They made the reactor for the express purpose of selling it to Marker or whoever would buy it and make it Good. When they wouldn't buy it in 2003 Line instead of dumping the whole idea decided that they would go at it alone, a bold and probably bad move. All bindings break, because they are light. Line just never made it that far. On a brighter note they made several of the best ski ever made for this year and they passed the savings of dropping their pros and moving production to Taiwan to the customers. All of their skis are at the best price point in their respective categories this year making them the best buys across the bord, for shops and for skiers.

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Sep 27 2005 5:11AM
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Ryno
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Yeah I didn't mean that I don't think companies shouldn't take risks to develope new products. I just think they should have done a much better job of it. There is a reason that nearly ever binding heel piece (excluding Look/Rossi of course) is the same, because they work. They could have made a twisting heel piece without all of the gimicky crap in that cumbersome baseplate. Also they could have make a baseplate that wasn't so damn tall, look at snowboard bindings. I think the idea with the inserts is the best inovation in skiing since shape skis. I'm all for new stuff I just think if you're going to do it don't half ass it.




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Sep 27 2005 7:42AM
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TheStamos
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Skogen kills it , New Canadian Air Force bitch . You prob wouldnt be on twins if it werent for him so back down .

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Sep 27 2005 8:49AM
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strongmark
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its probably because everyone finally realized how bad they suck.

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Sep 27 2005 9:35AM
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hoodratz47
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did someone just drop new canadian air force???

i realy dont give half a shit what americas hat" does or has done.


but it sucks for line that shit is fuckin up daily..
maybe if they had not outsourced. but props to pollard for keepin true to his sponsers kinda like cabalaro

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Sep 27 2005 9:49AM
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dom_uk
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they realise they made a mistake with the biding, but there not givin up on the idea cos they no its a great idea, so next years bindings r lighter n just as good, all you whiners will be eatin your words in a few years

Sep 27 2005 10:47AM
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Phrosty
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o no it weaighs too much, my little legs can't handle it. O these big clunky boots are too heavy too! o no and these long skis. It's all just too heavy for me. Boohooo. shut the fuck up pussies they arn't heavy your just weak.




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Sep 27 2005 10:49AM
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skifiend
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Check K2's site....


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Sep 27 2005 10:51AM
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dilla_says_go
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you're kidding, right?

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Sep 27 2005 12:27PM
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TheStamos
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He is one of them dickhead, there are a shitload of guys to be heald resposible but he is def in there.

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Sep 27 2005 1:56PM
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rachael575
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i heard the people who run line are morons

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Sep 27 2005 2:21PM
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Fairview
Posts: 430 - Karma: 33
Check out the Snofox website though, now there's an example of business genius. HAHA. You really shouldn't call people morons when you run a site like that.

Sep 27 2005 2:33PM
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rachael575
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not a business asswipe........ u try to run and make a site having school, a job, and no web design skills...

www.wfoskisandgear.com


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Sep 27 2005 2:38PM
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rachael575
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besides..... i'm just repeating what someone who had to deal with them for a number of years told me.......... i dont know them personally

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Sep 27 2005 2:42PM
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telestar6
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Ryno I don't get what you are pointing at. They could have done a better job of making those bindings, with a twisting heel piece, without the gigantic baseplate. The whole pivogy thing doesn't need to be so damn big. Honestly I don't see any reason for the heel and toe to be connected in the first place. You can make a binding were the toe and heel release simotaniously but independently. It just seems over complicated to me and that is what makes it so bulky.

Oh yeah and to that other douche, I have picked up one of their bindings and looked at it. I've seen how it works because I took a pair apart after some one broke them and brought them into the shop where I work.


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Sep 27 2005 4:47PM
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Rich
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^"I have picked up one of their bindings and looked at it"

Then you will know that the reason the toe and the heel piece are connected are for the quicmount screws

Sep 27 2005 4:57PM
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telestar6
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Oh yeah one more thing I was saying look at snowboard baseplates as a reference to their strength not nessicarily their thickness, although it would be nice. Snowboard binding baseplates hardly ever break ( Ride gets back like 1 out of 500,00 or something crazy like that) as apposed to Line bindings which seem to be about 50-50.


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Sep 27 2005 4:57PM
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Tha_Grouch
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^ Line bindings are the shit. So shut your mouth. I am so sick of kids like you trashing their bindings. If you get them set right you won't have problems. the ONLY people I know who have broken them tried messing around with them moving the toe and heel around, changing downward pressure, etc etc.... plus there are about only 4 people in the country qualified to set them, so I know many many many people had them set inncorrectly = them breaking.

and if ur concerned about weight... do some fricken squats and bulid up your puny legs.


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Sep 27 2005 5:00PM
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westnile
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Every one at line has left except for Pollard, Brandon Beker and Ashley Battersby.

Sep 27 2005 6:02PM
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sherLocke
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telestar since when are you a fuckin binding engineer? you don't even know how they work. pick a pair up in your hands off of a ski. grab the heel and toe piece and twist them in the same direction and you will see very plainly that everything that is on that binding is completely neccesary, there's nothing, "gimicky" about them. people like you spread bad publicity and create negative hype. know your shit before you go hating on things.



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Sep 27 2005 6:11PM
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hemlockjibber8
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First off, snowboard bindings always break. Their baseplates may not, but thats because they are hardly the same as a ski baseplate. Lines baseplates do not break either. what are you trying to get at. Its a whole other story. If you don't know why the heel and toe pieces are joined by the baseplate, to bad for the shop you work at. I love it when people lacking all knowledge work at ski shops.

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Sep 27 2005 8:01PM
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lineskis_16
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what the hell what ski company is coker on now?

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Sep 27 2005 11:37PM
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C.R.420
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yeah, too bad they dont make good skis...

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Sep 28 2005 6:21AM
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johnwiechecki
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Are you serious dude? Line skis are the only ones that I will ever ride as long as they keep making them the same way they have been.

Sep 28 2005 10:10AM
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Badfish2
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1 lb extra per foot will break some of these ethopians twiggy legs

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Sep 28 2005 10:24AM
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heavywinter
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I don't know how much they weigh, but they're damn heavy, probably the heaviest binding on the market, some Atomic plate bindings might beat them by a gram or two.

Too heavy, though.

I, too, thought the insert idea was killer. But the things are so damn heavy that I went and bought Salomons instead.

I'm all for companies taking a risk. Line did with its binding technolgy (which was delayed for several years and made retailers pretty skittish, I'll bet) and they're doing the same with their marketing.

Cutting your team down to nothing when you are a core company is a strange way to promote your brand. The one thing that comes to mind is the word "bankrupcy".

We can all only hope that this is a contraction and reorganization by Line, not the beginning of the end. They have supported some great athletes and the team was killer.

It's called skiing, stupid.
Sep 28 2005 11:33AM
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Dan-Man
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finally I know.

thank you

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Sep 28 2005 12:53PM
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SmoKinSkier
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Just wait till the new site comes out they will have a team!!

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Sep 28 2005 1:00PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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Making bad skis for the last 5 years has finally caught up tot hem I guess.

Sep 28 2005 1:04PM
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Al_Smith
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it seems like no one really knows how to mount them correctly. If line could simplify the mounting process maybe more shops would look into them.


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Sep 28 2005 1:05PM
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skogenchick
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exactly!!!! everybody bitches about them breaking but ive never seen a pair set correctly break. im about to have one of the guys at decade check mine so they dont break. yes they are heavy, but id rather save my knees then worry about a little bit of weight

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Sep 28 2005 1:22PM
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lizziebeth
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what are you talking about? these are the easiest bindings to mount on the market, hands down. no jig and no drilling if you're using a line ski with inserts. this, however, DOES NOT mean you can just initially set it yourself.

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Sep 28 2005 1:42PM
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404404
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To bad Dash is off, him Skogen and Polard make the line team

Sep 28 2005 1:48PM
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telestar6
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HAHA God I hope that one dude was being sarcastic. They are by far the absolute easiest bindings to mount and their is no way in hell anyone could fuck it up. You put 4 screws into inserts. It's even easier than snowboard bindings because there are now variations to stance width or angle. Then you set the forward pressure which I've heard most shops now have monkeys doing and bam your done. Whoever was saying that the bindings have been breaking because they weren't set up right is fucking retarded. It's nearly impossible to do.

To who ever said that plate is nessicary so for the inserts yeah a plate is nessicary but have you have you ever heard of this new revolutionary material called ALUMINUM they use it airplanes, mountain bikes, insustrial equipment, and just about anything that needs to be both light and strong. I'm not saying it would be the best material but it'd be better thatn whatever they are using now. And why not use nylon like Burton uses for their bindings, it's light, it's stong. To whoever said snowboar bindings always break, yes they do, the heelcups break, the baseplates don't which is what I said.

I really doesn't talke that much to realize how a bindings works. Just fucking look at one. With most brands you can pretty much see the entire innerworkings just by looking at it. If you pull a couple pairs of part you'll really get an idea of what's going on with them. I'm not claiming to be a "binding engineer" like someone said but if you've really taken the time to look at how they work and mounted like a hundred pairs of them you get to the point where they really don't seem that complicated.


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Sep 28 2005 3:55PM
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Tha_Grouch
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^If you were only here bitch... It wouldn't be pretty. I hate you... and everyone else here does too. So up yours.

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Straight from the new freeskier... Line's team now ONLY consists of Pollard and Battersby.

Bibby went to K2 and dropped Siver.
Turpin left Orage.
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Sep 28 2005 4:55PM
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telestar6
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^If I has there what ya little bitch. If I was there you'd be on the ground fucker.

So the fuck what if a bunch of 15 year olds don't like me. I ski for myself not for them. I'm not a kiss ass like everyone else. I love Line skis but I think their bindings suck shit. I've got my own opinion, deal with it.


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Sep 28 2005 6:16PM
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beep
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telestar6, you are so blatantly ignorant. there are some good rumors here too that make me laugh.

1. if you knew anything about the binding you wouldn't be making the fucking dumb comments you are now. the look pivots pivoted in the heel way before line every came out with theirs. pivoting in the heel isn't why they engineered the binding. they made it so it pivots in the TOE and the heel. also if you knew anything about torque or even just physics in general then you might understand why the toe and the heel need to be connected so they can communicate in the event of a backward twisting fall. it's even all on the line website. maybe you should read up before posting shit like this.

2. they're not that heavy, you wussies. a half pair weighs 1800 g. salomons range from 1200-1000 g for a half pair. it's only 600-800 g difference. an average shoe (just one) weighs about 500 g. it's all in people's heads that if it's one piece that automatically makes it "heavy as hell".

4. as for the team, phrosty actually put it a good way in another thread: is line dropping everybody or is everybody dropping line?

Sep 28 2005 7:07PM
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beep
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haha. "4" should be "3". i took out a point.

Sep 28 2005 7:09PM
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Kendo
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hahaha you went 1. 2. 4.






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Sep 28 2005 7:10PM
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telestar6
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Dude are heavy in comparison to the rest of the market. Without the Freedom plate they are still roughly a third heavier that mostcompanies green spring bindings (race bindings fo rhtose not knowing). And their bindings only go up to 12 which means they aren't as burly. If you know about bindings you know that in order to have a heavier spring you need burlier housing thus race bindings, that can be set as high as 18 or 16 in Salomon's case, are a lot tougher that a binding that can only be set at 10 or 12.

Okay there is one thing that I will admittedly say I don't understand or that just seems kind of dumb with the Line bindings. They wanted to make a twisting toe and heel piece. Well Salomon's Toe twists and Look's heel twists why not make a binding more simular to those two. I get that they wanted the two to function in unison but I don't get why. If your toe needs to twist out of a traditional binding, even in a backwards twisting fall, it will. I don't get it. It just seems like they went futher than they really needed to go.


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Sep 28 2005 9:58PM
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beep
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wow. your ignorance knows no bounds. okay. so first of all, go to www.lineskis.com and click on "product". watch the "pivogy video" (control your ADD and watch the whole thing) near the bottom and then you'll see why you need a connected spring in a backwards twisting fall. imagine that that bolt is your knee...

your stupidity shines once again by saying, "they only go up to 12 so they're not as burly". research, again, will tell you that this is intentional. because of the release system designed by line you no longer need to crank your dins and will actually get the performance you want at your recommended din setting with improved safety.

Sep 28 2005 10:55PM
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johnwiechecki
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You should make your own bindings, it sounds like you really know everything about them.

Say you are in a backward twisting fall. More pressure is being exerted to the side on the rear part of the binding. In most bindings, the heal piece does not pivot, and since all the weight is in the back in a rear twisting fall, you have a high risk of blowing your delicate knee, as the toe piece will not let your boot release in the upward direction (which would be ideal because all the weight is pushing the toe piece in this manner, but then you would release when you did not want to as well). With the Line binding, the heal piece senses this twisting action and pivots, and the toe piece corresponds to this by pivoting and helping in the release process. In the same way, a forward twisting fall has both the toe and heal pieces acting in unison to release the boot and keep you from blowing your ACL/season.

I haven't taken the binding apart, but I have held one in my hand and seen how it worked. I am not a moron, have an education, and know physics, which may be why I was able to figure this out by myself, instead of taking rumors that I heard from everybody on this site and forming my own explanation. Have a nice day.

Sep 28 2005 10:56PM
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estaked
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yay for becker on the pro team

Sep 28 2005 11:02PM
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freeskier1316
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hellls yes first person to recognize that lines bindings are one of the sickest conseps ever


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Sep 29 2005 12:07AM
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telestar6
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You all make very valid points but All I'm saying is that thus far the general consensus is that the Line bindings break and are heavy. That's all I'm trying to say. Their pros weren't even using them last year. Pollard was on Salomon S916 just like about half the pros becaus ethey are a sick binding and they don't break.

Beep obviously you didn't read my point about the DIN setting very thoroughly. By design a binding that can be set up to 16 or 18 must be tougher than a binding that can only goes up to 12. So it doesn't matter that you don't need to set the bindings as high with Lines in order to get good retention. My point was that green spring bindings are tougher because the housing is beefier. I only run my bindings at 8 but I still bought a pair that goes up to 14 because I wanted a race bindings with a lot more metal in it. So next time read the post thoroughly then you want make youreslf look like a jackass.



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Sep 29 2005 12:55PM
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Fairview
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"You all make very valid points but All I'm saying is that thus far the general consensus is that the Line bindings break and are heavy. That's all I'm trying to say."

The general consensus from kids on NS? The majority of whom have never used the binding, and if they did break it, they attempted to adjust it themselves. Also, that wasn't all you were trying to say. You tried to say that having the pivoting pieces connecting was worthless, and a bunch of other shit that you know nothing about.


"Their pros weren't even using them last year. Pollard was on Salomon S916 just like about half the pros becaus ethey are a sick binding and they don't break."

Oh yea, I've NEVER seen a thread from anyone about breaking salomon bindings. That was just stupid.


"Beep obviously you didn't read my point about the DIN setting very thoroughly. By design a binding that can be set up to 16 or 18 must be tougher than a binding that can only goes up to 12. So it doesn't matter that you don't need to set the bindings as high with Lines in order to get good retention. My point was that green spring bindings are tougher because the housing is beefier."

You're full of shit, a binding doesn't need a stronger housing to hold a different size spring. It's just a damn spring.


"I only run my bindings at 8 but I still bought a pair that goes up to 14 because I wanted a race bindings with a lot more metal in it. So next time read the post thoroughly then you want make youreslf look like a jackass."

Oooohhh, a 14 din binding? WOW. That's not a race stock. Seriously, I read you work in a shop, but how old are you, 16? You don't know shit about shit, everyone has disagreed with you, hopefully you've learned that just because you think you're an expert, you're not.

Sep 29 2005 1:08PM
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johnwiechecki
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It's like this...how many people do you know have screwed up their knees from skiing? Ok, now how many did it using Line bindings? None, maybe one (it is possible you know)? How many have broken Line bindings? Maybe a lot it seems. Here's why. When you fall, there are all types of forces being subjected to you and your ski equipment from the force of gravity. At some point, something is going to break from the stress of the fall. Personally, I would rather that my binding break than have my knee blow out. A $300 binding is in all reality much cheaper than $30,000 of knee surgeries and rehab (unless of course you break 100 bindings), plus the priceless amount of down time you will have.

As far as the Line bindings actually breaking, here's an analogy. It has already been stated that they break because they are improperly set up (with regards to the boot that is, not the binding/ski set up. It's pretty hard to mess up screwing four screws into your ski). So the breakage is due to misuse (either by resetting it for other people's boots, or "Hey I'm going to up the DINs on my own, I think I know what I'm doing").
Now look at any other product you have bought for anything else. Odds are, if breakage is due to misuse, your warranty doesn't cover it because it is your own fault. However, Line replaces these broken bindings for you, even if the reason for breaking was improper set up.

If you don't follow me, let me know and I will try to make it even more clear than I already have. Have a nice day.

Sep 29 2005 1:23PM
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WIllW
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^ john is smart, listen to him,

also wait till after levinthal comes on ns on sunday to make anymore negative statements based on things you've heard

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Sep 29 2005 2:03PM
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beep
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ha. the only one looking like a jackass in this thread is you. every one of your idiotic "thoughts" have been disproved. so shut the fuck up already.

Sep 29 2005 5:01PM
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Ryno
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you make it sound so easy to design these bindings...why not drive to vermont and show Jay and the guys how its done then. Its on thing to say you want to make great bindings, its another to actually build them

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