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Pep Fujas's Saga on skiing Fakie Not skiing Switch

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Marg
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Have you read it in one of the rants in the K2 SKEEZE MAG its pretty dope and truthful it totally opened my eyes and i will never say switch or cab related to skiing again

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Sep 18 2005 11:21PM
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lanks
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thank you...I totally agree. he contradicts himself prettttty badly in that article alone.


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Sep 19 2005 4:41PM
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I say switch

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Sep 19 2005 4:53PM
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I know cab technically isn't correct in skiing unless you go switch and pop off your tails, but I say it anyways. and Cab is from Steve Cabellero, who invented the Cab on a skateboard, which is a fakie bs 3. he invented it circa 1976? if im not mistaken.

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Sep 19 2005 5:26PM
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JamesB
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straight outta compton

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Sep 19 2005 5:31PM
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AptosFreeskier
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I think in skiing it means a gap to a rail but like bigger than a normal gap like over 5 feet, because thats what it is in rollerblading a big gap to rail.

Sep 19 2005 5:49PM
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pedmiqueo
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you can also just call it backwards or reverse thats what I do

Sep 19 2005 5:50PM
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freerider54
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Although, JF does "the switch " in Blunt.

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Sep 19 2005 5:56PM
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ec_jibbin
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switch works fine and so does fakie, who cares , they both mean the same thing. Cab doen't work for a backwards trick. It has a different meaning that comes from Caballero doing a trick on a skateboard in a halfpipe, you cant relate it to skiing, adn there no reason to.





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Sep 19 2005 6:02PM
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Atrain
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i think that everyone should call it 'AF', standing for ass first. ex: that was a wicked 'AF' 540.

Sep 19 2005 6:03PM
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BigZero
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REALLY, WHO GIVES A SHIT. THERE JUST NAMES, IT DOESN'T MATTER!

Sep 19 2005 6:05PM
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*Nefarious*
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I fuckin hate the term 'fakie,' so i will indeed only say switch, just as i always have. what's so "fake" about skiing backwards?? haha. and ya, cab makes absolutely no sense in skiing context. switch man, it's switch. but whatever floats yer dingy.

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Sep 19 2005 6:12PM
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cannonlover69
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i ski switch

Sep 19 2005 6:14PM
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Sk3bUm
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i think we should all start saying.... skiing the wrong way.... example: pep did a skiing the wrong way left side 720 opposite neato grab (aka mute grab)

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Sep 19 2005 6:21PM
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millhouseskis
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i second ass first!

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Sep 19 2005 6:43PM
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cousinmark
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absolutly, go skiing stop whinning, the illest riders i know dont even know the name of the tricks they doing


Sep 19 2005 8:35PM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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Cab is FAKIE FS not just a fakie spin front or backside. it started out with steve cabellero doing fakie fs 3s as his go to trick, thats where the term caballerial came from, and thats why a fakie fs 180 is a HALF CAB.

Snowboarders are guilty of mish mashing the term into any switch fs spin(regardless if it was popped off the nose or not).

Skiers are even more guilty befause we have no front or backside to our spins, let alone a fakie ollie.



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Sep 19 2005 8:58PM
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1440ski
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Ijust call it switch and that is what i am going to continue to call it


Sep 19 2005 9:08PM
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Marg
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you guys all make some really good points. If you actually you read the article you'd actually get what I'm saying. I think switch sounds the best for our sport. Good Discussion Class no hating just str8 discussion dope on a rope niz

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Sep 19 2005 9:18PM
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holyDINOSAURS
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in skating..
switch=wrong way
fakie=switch+nollie
cab=a fakie 3

so...switch is the term to use. essentially fakie doesnt even make sense cause we cant ride nollie. half-cab/cab/cab 5...all tricks
and ilike to say dirty for switch unnaty

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Sep 19 2005 9:34PM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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cab= a fakie fs spin, FRONTSIDE!



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Sep 19 2005 9:40PM
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ESB
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To those of you who are about to post the same thing again for the twentieth time, please spare us and read the posts before yours.

Sanchez, your argument is technically sound, as is the one in SKEEZE (maybe written by the same person?). The only point to argue is whether skiing NEEDS to adopt the same vocabulary as other sports. I am of the opinion that it doesn't. Take left and right spins, for example, something that doesn't translate well into board sports. Technically we could call a right (or left) 360 a switch 360, but since that particular word has already developed its own definition IN SKIING, it just doesn't make sense. New sport, new vocabulary. We're already mimicing snowboarders in every possible way- why push it even farther?


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Sep 20 2005 3:22AM
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shawnm1260
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ive seen proper fakie ollies,
rideing up to a street style take off and poping off the tails while riding backwards, it was true fakie lipslide

Sep 20 2005 3:42AM
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vandlaas
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The only reason its not called "backwards" is that its not cool enough for you guys. just go and throw some mad trix, and fuck whatewer you call it punks. IT DOES NOT MATTER!! We are skiers and not snowboarders or skaters, so we can just make up our own terms. I think its important to keep a distance to the other sports, because we are so much better and innovative.

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Sep 20 2005 4:45AM
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pesja
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u know cab is switch unatural?

Uhm, are you gay?
Sep 20 2005 5:36AM
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Sanchez
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Thank you, kamikaze. I think you've hit the issue on the head. I would agree that it's very unlikely that all of a sudden skiers will change their lingo to use "fakie" and drop "switch". I just wanted to put the straight facts out there for people to think about. Only time will tell as to whether we should have rejected the term "switch" for backwards skiing.

I also agree that most of the posts on this thread are repetitive. A couple of interesting ones though from HAGGA and Lanks.

With HAGGA's argument, I don't think it is sound, because when we ride forward we don't pop off our tips -- or at least we're no supposed to. Same goes with fakie -- you're supposed to pop from the centre of you weight, which is no different than a riding forward pop. I realize that many skiers, however, aren't very comfortable with skiing fakie into a jump, so they have a bad habit of leaning really far forward on their tips, almost to the point that their tails lift off the snow. Maybe this is what is causing the confusion.

With Lanks' point, I will agree that many tricks will not translate directly from one sport to the other, such as with the mute. But with the mute, the skateboarding version is the closest to the skiing version, hence the use of the common term "mute". In the case of "switch", however, the skateboarding and skiing versions are actually contradictory. I don't think that is a good precedent. We should still attempt to keep lingo as reasonably consistent as possible. To say it's open game to use any terms for any meaning crosses the line, and reverts back to the lazy rationale that "we've used switch all along, so lets keep using it." Or worse, "switch sounds cooler, fakie sounds gay".

For most skiers out there, it's a no brainer: switch has always meant backwards skiing, because you only started skiing new school in the past 2-5 years. But please understand that back in the mid to late 90s there were many of us who rejected the use of "switch" and preferred fakie because that was the proper term in other sports. It was only because certain high profile skiers kept using "switch" that it stuck. That's the history behind the word, and I think it's important for everyone to know it. Had those high profile skiers also adopted fakie, then everyone would be using "fakie" and I don't think we'd be having this debate today because there would be no issue to debate.

Oh, and by the way, I am not the same guy as in SKEEZE; I actually haven't read the article yet, just this thread.

Sep 20 2005 6:48AM
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Dan-Man
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bisnatch calla

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Sep 20 2005 8:47AM
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lowrider101
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cab is a snowboard term for switch cork you fucking idiot

Sep 20 2005 10:50AM
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RichardCranium
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Maybe you guys missed the memo it is now called skiing in Reverse. come one stay up to date example: I just dropped a huge reverse 7. Example for spinning unnatural and taking off backwards:I just dropped a double reverse 7.

Sep 20 2005 10:54AM
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klimp
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argue about something that matters........

Sep 20 2005 2:22PM
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hemlockjibber8
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first it wasnt pep who wrote the article. anyways, i think none of you have any credit because no one can actually ski backwards. only a few pros can really do it so they can figure it out. quit dreaming.

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Sep 20 2005 2:44PM
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westnile
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ok switch is fine and fakie is gay i really dont care what the hell you guys think is the differnce but skiers go switch and it is right or left not natrual or unnatrual

Sep 20 2005 3:03PM
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threejay
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this is my 7th year freeskiing and I've always used the term switch. I said fakie here and there, but it just doesnt sound nearly as good. I feel like we're back in the "toxic" argument. this argument just needs to die.

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Sep 20 2005 3:17PM
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Kasanovah
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OK so, then what most would call a switch unnaty 5, SHOULD be called a fakie switch 5.

THIS IS COOL WITH ME< WHY YOU SAY. because unnatty and natty are shitty terms, they sound gay. I hate saying it but im not gonna cut msyelf short by saying a 5 when i do an "unnaty" 5.

Officially, what once was switch is now fakie, and unnatty can be burried with switch, I like .... correct me anyone if im wrong



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Sep 20 2005 3:51PM
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lowrider101
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why do u call it fakie switch didnt u learn grammer thats just like a double negative

Sep 20 2005 4:50PM
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clashskier13
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yea i always used switch and so do my friends. if they all mean same thing and people say switch aleady the stick with it

Sep 20 2005 6:05PM
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Sanchez
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The problem with "leftside" and "rightside" is it just indicates the direction of spin, not whether it was natural or unnatural. There are lots of people out there who spin darkside as their natural. It's pointless to call something a "rightside 540" if that skier spins to the right naturally.

Another problem that no one has mentioned is that for some people spinning left is natural when skiing forwards, but spinning right is natural when skiing fakie. I don't think that person should get credit for doing an unnatural fakie spin (i.e., spin to the right) when they can't even do their supposedly natural spin (i.e., spin to the left) when skiing fakie.


Sep 21 2005 6:55AM
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Kasanovah
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its true about LS RS, thats why it should either stay unnatty or change to the proper switch term.

BUT I have something revolutionary lol. You see your comment about fakie left being natural and normal left being unnatural, it's JUST how you practice it. FOR INSTANCE, my left normal spin is natural, However, my rightside cork 5 is much easier and clearner than my left, WHY, because i over practiced my rightside, now it's way better and it's been that way for well over a year.

The revolution IS that big air should Never have a spin direction component to it. Slopestyle should Not Either, UNLESS the same trick (ex a fakie 7) is preformed both directions in the same run, thusly showing you've practiced BOTH directions and are proficient.

But hey, Im only one logical thinker, no need to listen to my opinion



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Sep 22 2005 3:00PM
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MLB
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Hey i have a solution, how about we call it skiing backwards. Simple true, and awsome.




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Sep 22 2005 3:05PM
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djikstra
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yeah but skiing is more closely related to snowboarding, and snowboarders would call it switch... OK HERES MY LINGO:

skiing backwards- skiing "cream cheese"
SKiing backwards spinning dominantly "ice cream
skiingbackward spinning undominantly "frozen yogurt"
THEN FOR U "unnatural and natural" haters
rightside can be: spinning juicey juice
leftside can be: hot chocolate. OK? so those are the official rules that what we call shit from now on ite? SO NOW WE AINT INFLUENCED BY OTHER SPORTS BUT RATHER FOOD BECAUSE I M HUNGRY...

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Sep 22 2005 3:11PM
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Rich
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Well I've been freeskiing for 8 years. I ski fakie, always have done and always will, but if you ski switch then good for you, I couldn't give a shit really; switch/fakie, fakie/switch...you choose


Sep 22 2005 3:46PM
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Sanchez
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I think that's a good idea, Kasanovah.

Anyone remember when Rex got top 3 at the WSI big a few years back? He proclaimed that he was doing an unnatural cork 9. He said that because he was spinning in his "unnatural" direction. Only problem was that was his most comfortable direction for doing the cork 9!

Sep 23 2005 6:56AM
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eastAR5
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his article against 1 foot grinds was even better, hopefully people will start to see that 1 foot grindds are bad for skiing and of course look gay

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Sep 23 2005 7:31AM
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Flowsion
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lets just agree on calling it either ass first, or asswards

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Sep 23 2005 12:23PM
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cams
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We've come too far to be arguing over this crap. What are you going to do? Send an e-mail to every skier in the world and let them know the new terms or else they're wrong? No. As long as we know what's happening that's all that matters.



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Sep 23 2005 12:24PM
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Deezl
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Damn, I musta missed the memo. What are we supposed to be calling it this week?


Oh yeah and what's the difference between a Misty and a Rodeo? What about cork and bio?


....aw fuck it, you guys figure it out and send me another memo. About those TPS reports.....

Sep 23 2005 12:49PM
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Tclif
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well to counteract all of that mike douglas (whos a pro) talks about how fakie, switch, and cab tricks all mean the same thing... skiing backwards.

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Sep 25 2005 11:05PM
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Lukey1080
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i saw switch only, fakie i always thought was wrong, and cab is kinda ok i guess
Nov 20 2005 6:39PM
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fr33rid3r
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hahahahahahahahaha jackass
Nov 20 2005 6:45PM
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jonsimpson
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What about people who learnt to ski backwards before they did forwards, wouldn't that mean that fakie for them would be forwards? eh?
Nov 20 2005 7:15PM
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pag
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I'm just thinking about it
isn't a fakie 270 in would be a switch nollie 270 in? so a switch 270 in is the appropriated word?
Nov 20 2005 7:21PM
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