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JP vs. Julien for park

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libertas900
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I'm 6'3'' about 185 lbs. I ski mostly in the park with a little bc--I was going to get the new 185 ARV as my park ski this year, but I found a pair of '05 JP vs. Julien 191 skis for like 400 bones. Are these just a bigger/fatter ARV? I ride in the pipe A LOT - will these big skis still kick ass in the pipe? or do I need to go with the ARV?

Aug 9 2005 5:07PM
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Vicious
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The JP's are a sick ski, but they will not be to good in the pipe. As they are a predominantly BC ski, they have less sidecut than many other park skis, which will make it more difficult for you to ride pipe, especially when the walls are pure ice.

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Aug 9 2005 5:13PM
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J.D.
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Uh, you have no idea what you're talking about. They're not stiff. At all. Like, not even a little bit. Cardboard is what we're talking here.

Aug 9 2005 6:11PM
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Vicious
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Agreed...that was one of the worst posts I've seen recently.

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Aug 9 2005 6:13PM
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trevorwoulddoit
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I would ride JP vs Juliens everywhere if I had a pair, especially in the park. But like Vicious said, the lack of sidecut wouldn't treat you too well in the pipe.

But Nomensteven, stiff? I don't mean to jump on the bandwagon or anything, but christ, have you ever even held a pair? They're mighty soft.



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Aug 9 2005 6:35PM
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skier_boy26
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they are pretty decent for park, and they are farily light (at the the '05-'06 is), but certainly not stiff. they are wider than the ARVS. 126-103-116, compared to ARV at 125-92-115 or 130-95-119, depending on length. if your looking for pipe as well, i wouldnt go near the jp vs julien (although they are a delicious ski)

Aug 9 2005 7:04PM
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J.D.
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The 05 06 is identical to the 04 05.

Aug 9 2005 7:20PM
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skier_boy26
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ok good, i only had the chance to ride the 05-06 so i didnt want to make full assumptions on the 04-05

Aug 9 2005 7:44PM
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watchmefall15
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if u are jesus u will be able to ride them in the pipe


Aug 9 2005 7:46PM
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GrippinGs
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ya i own a pair and i wouldnt recommend them for anything other then the soft fluffy powwow. they're hella soft and butter like a dream but the length/width/nosidecut really takes away from any performance it would have on anything groomed. but in the pow they're soooooooo sick :)

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Aug 9 2005 8:11PM
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J.D.
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You're STILL wrong, they're softer than Chronics, softer than Ar5s, softer than PEs, softer than TMs, softer than Scratch FS... No. They're noodles in ANYTHING. Do not consider these pipe skis. They're my everywhere ski but if I'm in pipe I want Ar5s.

Except I'm no good in pipe.

Aug 9 2005 10:25PM
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johanblaze
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dude if you ski 191's in the park i'll say you're a fuckin gnar beast and shag you.

Aug 9 2005 10:35PM
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libertas900
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i'll look like a gnar beast skiing 191 fattys in the park.

Will the ARV ride good in the pipe?

Aug 9 2005 10:47PM
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J.D.
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They're actually 188. The length was reported wrong last year. This year they got it right.

Aug 9 2005 11:30PM
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bret
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on a side note, my ski group happened to run into boyd at alpine this year, and he was rocking the '06 JP's. he said that they had improved the core so that it was even lighter than last year.

not that that really makes much difference, i still wouldn't recommend them as a park/pipe ski.




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Aug 10 2005 12:32AM
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triebby
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yea, those are pretty damn beefy for park

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Aug 10 2005 11:35AM
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GrippinGs
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length surprisingly effects ur park skiing much more then sidecut or width would. like JD has said, the skis are noodles...think pocket rocket noodly or another big soft ski. the flex of the ski if stiff under the foot and for some inches in front and behind the binding mat. so dont be fooled if u just flexed a friends pair or just some in a shop u put bindings on them and they become wayyyyy softer. but they're soo damn fun in the pow, its the jib ski of the powpow.

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Aug 10 2005 2:50PM
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Geonerd
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Dude, there's no way the JP would fit decently on a park. They simply don't turn on hard packed snow, they're heavy as well.
But you will be the new god with them on the pow.

Aug 10 2005 7:33PM
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J.D.
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Again, please try to know what you're talking about before you post... heavy? They weigh like... nothing. You're right though, they're not a turny ski.

Aug 10 2005 7:47PM
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Geonerd
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I know what I'm talking about, just rode them last week, I mean, for their size they're not heavy but still a lot heavier than a park ski.

Aug 11 2005 4:06PM
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J.D.
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Yeah, there's something to that. I mean overall they actually AREN'T that much heavier but because the weight isn't centralized but rather spread out they do feel a bit heavier in that way, especially with the floppy factor. Still, for their size, it's crazy how little they weigh.

Aug 11 2005 4:26PM
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skier_boy26
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when i demoed them, even with the demo binding, they were lighter than my ar5s with p12. they are delightfully light

Aug 11 2005 5:56PM
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hemlockjibber8
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you guys are all bitches. i grew up skiing straight skis until like 3-4 years ago. i could ski a slalom course switch in those mother fuckers. staright skis are kinda fun cause they dont hook up at all. since when do you need to do small radius carves in the park. im not saying the jp vs juliens would be a particularly good ski in the park, but id like to try it. i dont know if the pair i looked at were different then production cause they were TJs, but they had no sidecut and they were way the hell softer then pocket rockets. probably the softest skis i ever did see

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Aug 12 2005 1:58PM
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cab_D
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they are a powder ski. maybe too wide for the park. but you could try them. lots of people like to ski pow skis in the park

Aug 12 2005 2:01PM
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Armadaguy
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i ski moguls compeditively and i amgrabbin a pair of jps for the pow, they sound so nice for a guy like me who like straight skis. they are also lighter than the ar5s.

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Sep 24 2005 11:29PM
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Jp's are stiff? hahahahah

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Sep 25 2005 3:04AM
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skimasterflex
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haha finally my chance to qoute JD and tell him he is wrong! THe new Jp Julien is a Totally different ski than last year! It's a 188cm this year for starters, it's a different sidecut, a tad stiffer because last year as you so eloquently stated earlier was like cardboard, and the graphic is way sicker. I skied it with Boyd Easley last year and he told me what was up, but he still couldn't eff with my Prophets.

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Sep 25 2005 11:05AM
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Vicious
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I'm glad you pointed out the graphic is different. Also, the 05/06 JP is the same size as last year. Although the 04/05 was stated as a 191, it really only measured the same as this year's 188.

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Sep 25 2005 1:22PM
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D-40
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yeah i have noticed he talks out of his ass and tries to sound smart and like he knows what he is talking about. he thinks the arv is a better park ski that the ar5 and they are the best park ski on the market. basically if the arv had a penis, nomensteven would like to touch it


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Sep 25 2005 1:33PM
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trevorwoulddoit
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Skimasterfles you're wrong about one thing, the ski may be listed as a 188 this year, but it's exactly the same length as last year.

And you dropped something, you might want to pick it up you tool.





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Sep 25 2005 3:48PM
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J.D.
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You seem to be very up on the fact that you rode with Boyd. If he saw you claiming like that and tossing his name about everywhere I doubt he'd be too eager to do so again. Or at least I wouldn't in his place. I won't go so far as to name drop right back at you, but according to another team member they're barely stiffened at all. Which would suggest to me that they're still very noodly. Hell, T-hall is still riding them, which should tell you something. Also, when I made that post I was operating under the assumption given to me by a reliable source, who was obviously misinformed, and by powder magazine, who called the 05/06 the same ski as last year in their september issue's gear guide... apparently they couldn't tell the difference between the two models either. So, in effect, you're partly right, and I was partly wrong when I made that comment (Note: over a month and a half ago before any shops had seen them). They're not a totally different ski, only slightly tweaked. And The length is the same as last year's, but that's already been mentioned. I don't know how many pairs of 04/05s you moved out of your ski and board shop last season but if you look at them it's pretty easy to tell that they're not 190+. Or maybe that's just me.

By the way, just because a ski is a noodle doesn't mean it's a bad ski, obviously. You seem to be taking a denigrating tone toward it for that reason. Keep in mind that the ski isn't really for ripping lines as hucking shit into pow switch. JP is not using stock JPvs.Js in WAR, I can guarantee you that.

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Sep 25 2005 4:06PM
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Jeasus Christ...... get a job for the times freak..
just fuckin with ya jd... i know how much you cry.


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Sep 25 2005 4:49PM
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CollinWright
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fat skis r fun in the park

Sep 25 2005 5:37PM
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Seattle-Ski
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^ya, fatties dominate all. just be like mahre man and rock maidens in the park and vicious for backcountry, hahaha, (talking about his HIt List part, in which he did just that)

Sep 25 2005 6:37PM
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Armadaguy
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yo jd, i was talkin to ppl at armada and they said he was skiin stock jps all season, they could be misleading me though


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Sep 25 2005 8:26PM
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J.D.
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Have you seen that segment? It's insane. I have last year's JPs and if he was using them for that stuff they'd be flopping around like nobody's business. At least ONE of his pairs is beefed up for sure. I don't see how it could be otherwise.

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Sep 25 2005 8:45PM
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Armadaguy
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man i have seen his segment, and at the risk of name dropping, tyson told me they were stock

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Sep 25 2005 9:13PM
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Vicious
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In terms of the debate over whether his sticks were stock or not, I have no info to add. However, in a similar situation, I know due to their soft flex, lots of people wonder if Seth skis stock Pistols on the huge lines he skis and the answer is yes.

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Sep 25 2005 9:20PM
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Armadaguy
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yes but the 189s are a lil dif than the other sizes

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Sep 25 2005 9:24PM
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J.D.
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The thing with seth is he has that huge plate. I don't see how JP's skis COULD be stock, at least when he's skiing lines. It just doesn't make sense. And armada riders have often in the past used skis which were, aside from their topsheet, quite unlike the stock model. I'm not sure if Tyson meant he skis stock all the time or if he uses the stock skis for most day to day stuff. That stall on the rooftop in that well-circulated pic last year was a stock pair, I'm sure.

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Sep 25 2005 9:29PM
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Vicious
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The 189s aren't much different than the others.

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Sep 25 2005 9:33PM
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Vicious
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Yes, I forgot about the plate.

You'd know better than I about the Armadas and their stock/unstock, so I'll take your word for it.

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Sep 25 2005 9:34PM
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trevorwoulddoit
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JD from what I've heard they were stock. They have been stiffened up but I don't know to what extent. JP is not all that big of a guy and to be fair you're like 6'2" 200+ so it's fair to assume you'd put a lot more stress on them.




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Sep 26 2005 1:50AM
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