theyre pretty good. i saw their dvd and the singer gets gashed in the head during the first song cuz the guitarrist takes a huge swing and hits him. hes bleeding all over his face and stuff. after they finish the song he takes off his shirt, dries up the blood and says well thats a pretty big lump were gonna keep shit going here but if i get dizzy and pass out then its over. after the show he got like 13 staples in his head, thats hardcore.