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"Cannabis cancer risk is 50% higher than cigarettes" - UK Newspaper

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tori
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Here's some excerps of the article:
'A report from the British Lung Foundation found 3 cannabis joints a day caused the same damage to the linings of the airways as 20 cigarettes. Most cannabis smokers inhale the drug more deeply than tobacco and hold their breath for an average of 4 times longer, resulting in more poisonous carbon monoxide and tar entering the lungs...'
'Earlier this year a survey showed that 79% of children thought cannabis was 'safe' while only 2% understood that it could be damaging to health.'


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Nov 11 2002 1:38PM
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MadTrixter
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1)who smokes 3 j's to their face a day. don't get me wrong, people do it, but not that many
2)fuck it
3)i'm in love with mary jane


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Nov 11 2002 1:40PM
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tori
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I'm in no way against weed, I burn on occasion, but what worries me is that a lot of kids, especially younger ones, use it thinking that it doesn't have the same affect as cigarettes.

Whenever I'm hiking I'm always glad that I'm not a heavy smoker.




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Nov 11 2002 1:41PM
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MadTrixter
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i don't think that's true though. how many people have you heard of getting cancer from smoking weed?


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Nov 11 2002 1:43PM
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Lanemeyers
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The British Lung Foundation? How does one go about joining this prestigious club?

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Nov 11 2002 1:50PM
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wntrwill
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If you are worried about people goign to pot, you should go read up the Time article about it. America really is turning pro pot and in the near future things are really going to change here. 72% of people think fines should be in placed of jailing upon Marijuana charges, and many other stats showing the increasing leniency wanted by the American people.
Nov 11 2002 1:52PM
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Drail
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who smokes 20 cigg's a day? chain smokers are dumb.

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Nov 11 2002 1:59PM
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hell just make brownies and eat instead of inhale

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Nov 11 2002 2:20PM
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CTripper
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they made us watch a video about weed in gym class and it said one joint was equal to 15 cigarettes, so im not sure how true this information is. and my teacher tried to tell me that most people die from smoking weed, and very few of them overdose their first time.
-Chris

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Nov 11 2002 2:21PM
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lineskier10
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good point 1080 just make a brownie and get high off that if the smokin kills you
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Nov 11 2002 2:34PM
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stupid3000
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scientists got their facts fucked up. weed is a bronchial dialator, so it opens up your lungs. ciagerrettes are exactly the opposite. maybe weed can cause cancer, but its no worse than cigarretts
Nov 11 2002 2:51PM
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andyrightcoast
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Ok, I wasn't going to post in this thread at first, as I usually don't have anything to add on the topic of weed use/legalization. But that last post was RIDICULOUS.

'scientists got their facts fucked up.

Uh, ok, so you're saying that men and women who spent their entire lives devoted to researching and experimenting in that field. Have gone to school for most of their lives on this subject, and have done actual scientific research on the subject are wrong, and you are right? Just because you read some peice in High Times or some other biased magazine? Your logic is highly flawed.

weed is a bronchial dialator, so it opens up your lungs. ciagerrettes are exactly the opposite. maybe weed can cause cancer, but its no worse than cigarretts'

Ok, you just completely blasted your point out of the water there. By saying that weed opens up the lungs doesn't mean that it heals them. It makes them more susceptable to the waste you are inhaling in with the THC in the weed. (Where do you think the rest of the weed goes, into space?)

I'm not saying its worse than ciggerates, I'm not saying its better either. But I think that blasting scientists and backing it up with a flawed statement is ridiculous. God, why can't people get their facts straight and post things intelligently. We've had threads that worked out well in the past.

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Nov 11 2002 3:01PM
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jizack
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i don't think andy has been taking his pills.



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Nov 11 2002 3:25PM
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andyrightcoast
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uh..? I was trying to contribute to the thread...


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Nov 11 2002 3:29PM
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mammothpunks
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'who smokes three joints a day?'
you obviously have never met a true stoner. mickael averages like 20 somthin spliffs a day.


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Nov 11 2002 4:21PM
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Detective
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Andy, this credit you rae giving to the scientists may be all well and due...but have you also not heard of the 'scientific' research done by the tobacco companies that specifically indicates 'tobacco usage in having no cancer causing efffects' It's called propaganda, we should al know that well. The government doesnt always do 'the right thing'.

There have been many legitimate tests. check out NORML.com and others like it.

Bong - THC binds with h2o reducing the amount of THC in the smoke. So out of a bong you are mostly smoking the carcinogenic part...big head high, not terribly good for you, but neither is standing next to the microwave.

Pipe - same, except with more THC...but not a lot more.

Joint - your burning paper...

Blunt - its a tobacco leaf for sure its bad but I AINT NEVA gonna stop smokin blunts.

Vapourizer - here we are folks, one of the safest and best ways to get high. The marijuana is heated to activation potential which is around 200 c and is not burned therefore realeasion almost 0 tar and carcinogens. It is 99% carcinogen free and FULL of THC. much much better body buzz, which is really an attractive feature for some of us busted up all the time skiers.

Here's another thing to think about. Weed is weed, you get a bag of a cured plant. Tobacco has been mixed with a million other things and probably a million more that we will never know about. but who cares, smoke cigs smoke J's and live your life cuz pretty soon breathing is going to cause cancer...oh wait it already does. fuck it
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Nov 11 2002 4:33PM
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andyrightcoast
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I don't want to get into an argument about the health effects of weed. Frankly, I know I'd probably lose that argument. I just can't stand when people claim something outrageous such as that scientists have their facts fucked up.

You can't tell me that tests sponsored by NORML and such arent biased, just as I could never claim that tests preformed by the govt. aren't biased.

To tell you the truth, I support the legalization of pot in the US, simply on the fact that it would bring a huge market and huge business oppertunities into the US, create jobs, and it would generally be a shot in the arm for the economy, probably boosting it a bit. Nevermind that it would stem alcoholism and addiction to ciggerates.

I just can't stand when people are so one-tracked as they wildly claim things. Like she did.

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Nov 11 2002 5:43PM
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That is by far the smartest thing I have ever heard a stoner say.
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Nov 11 2002 5:43PM
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lineskier321
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yeah a lot of people smoke 3 or more joints a day or the equivilent to it. but i dont know how they can say 3 joints cause joint vary in size a lot. me and my close friends only roll fatty joints but there are a lot of people that i know that only roll smaller joints with a lot less bud in them. so they can say that 1 joint is equal to however many cigs but it doesnt really mean anything unless they say how much is in the joint

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Nov 11 2002 5:53PM
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Ds91260
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wait a humidifier, holy shit, this changes everything
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Nov 11 2002 6:44PM
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freestylejibber
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meh its all propaganda fuck it shit happens we're all going to die eventually so better go out blown
Nov 11 2002 7:20PM
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g-dubs
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That study is probably true, but think about it...
My grandpa died of lung cancer because he smoked 2 packs (40) ciggarettes a day on average for 50 years. Is anyone here planning on smoking 6 joints a day every single day until they are 70?? There has never been a recorded case of someone dying of lung canacer from smoking nothing but weed all their life, because its just unrealistic to even happen. Its also going to vary based on the quality, if you are smoking only schwag lost of stems and leaves, then the risk is probably higher, just chronic the risk will be much lower. Its stupid to say it wont affect your lungs, anyone who tries to run a mile after smoking every day for six months knows it does, but its just as stupid to say its going to kill you.

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Nov 11 2002 10:07PM
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c_lo
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Alright lets act like fucking 15 year olds here and take our heads out of our asses. Lets take a look at specific cornerstones of world economy. Freemasons and Pharmacutical Corperations. Now there is a lot of fucking money to be had by pharmacuticals. They are evil fucking people right up there with the world bank. We're talking about an industry that has helped to spread AIDS and cover up the truth about it. Go read about it somewhere else before you tell me I'm wrong. Who is conducting this research?? Most research is bullshit right now. Usually it is funded by a party who has something to loose or gain by this product. The idea here is that these large corpeations are funding the tests for their drugs and therefore own the results. I really don't think marijuana is that unhealthy compared to the food we are putting in our bodies, the conatminated water we drink everyday, the air pollution and thousands of other man made hazards. Now I'm not going to sit here and lie to you, when I have money I smoke at least three joints a day but 80 percent of the time I don't so I hit pipes or bongs. Now when i roll i like to toll between .5 and 1 gs. Now if I were to hit that in a bong i'd be to baked to function (ie. work school etc)in my environment. I can easily m,ake a dime bag last for three days. I really don't think my health is at risk. If you want to worry about something look at what the fuck they're doing to your food. You got chickens with titties so big they can't stand up properly and your worried about a plant?? You've got corperation modifing seed to only grow with their fertilizer and to terminate every year so more seed needs to be bought. We are both witnessing and contributing to the destruction of the earth and you're telling me to keep my head up about something I take from the earth and light?? man whatever, your opinion is fucking wrong.
Nov 11 2002 10:12PM
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wntrwill
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Someone mentioned OD'ing on weed? A GOVT funded test found that it would take something ridiculous (I believe it was around 900 spliffs) to actually OD. That is in one sitting as well. Someone please OD on weed you would be my hero.
Nov 11 2002 10:34PM
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lineskier321
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16.7 pounds in 10 minutes. the leathal limit of marijuana. im pretty sure thats it although i might be wrong

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Nov 11 2002 10:57PM
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CTripper
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i mentioned it, when we were learning about marijuana in school my teacher told us people OD on it a lot, and some OD their first time. i know it isnt true.
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Nov 11 2002 11:02PM
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RandomHero21
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What about 2-3 bong rips a day? I would think that since it's a significantly smaller amount that 3 joints that it would be less bad. Although I do usually cough my fuckin head off after a milky tube, so that might make it worse on your lungs. But whatever...fuck it...you are gonna die anyway so why not be high while you enjoy life.
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Nov 11 2002 11:05PM
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l_KeViN_l
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whoever was talking about how they were afraid kida will smoke a lot cos they don't understand the hard weed causes. Well I kno exactly what your saying.. like I'm pretty young and I blaze like 5 times a week but I kno kids like 11 - 13 that smoke like 3-4 times a day, now I kno thats like the average stoner but like c'mon 11 years old thats pretty young.


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Nov 11 2002 11:14PM
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MadTrixter
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either that, or if you were to only inhale the smoke, no oxygen. and as for the 3 j's a day. do you smoke it to the head, or with buddies? i rarely ever smoke by myself. so i could smoke 3 joints with 4 people, and that would only be like smoking 3/4 of a joint.


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Nov 11 2002 11:16PM
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Dspin900
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burnin 3 js a day isnt bad bro....all the good things in life are bad for u, its gay.....yeah in that Time article u need 900 joints in one sitting to OD on bud...weed being legal would be tight, but it would become like tobacco....they'd start putting a bunch of shit into it and it'd be all commercial and it wouldnt be pure bud anymore...i'll keep puffin for a while, im not too worried about lung cancer even tho my grandfather just died like 3 days ago....its one of the good things in life man, and i dont even wanna live that long
Nov 12 2002 12:20AM
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I'm tired of people saying that smoking weed is worse than smoking a cig. Weed was legal for many years before someone got the bright idea to make it illegal. Let me explain...(mystical noises and a fresh bong rip)...about 60 or so years ago (bad memory and a lack of not caring about dates or such) the goverment of the good old US of K..ahh...I mean A, set out to satisfy the needs of the early 'green peace'. Their job was to find a resorce that would supply the public with the same goods as trees. Now a few of the people decided to look into more plants rather than what most other researchers were doing looking into plastics. Well a few of the people stumbled across the SUPER CROP (and yes the super crop...more mystical sounds...another rip) they realized this crop could do anything wood could do(and then some),build desks, make paper, make 2x4's, and burn all good. Anyways of coarse it was weed. Now the president and a bunch of the supreme court and reps. and other US officals had millions of dollars in the lumber and plastic industries and they did not want to lose all of it because of some new plant. So the goverment sent out a few scientists to find something wrong with the crop. Of coarse they find it 'alters perception' and...BOOM...it's illegal. Now as for it being more harmful than cigs well not exactly. Actually not even a bit. Mary Jane actually has 95% less of the chemical that causes cancer in it than cigs. Also there has never been a reported case of cancer of the lungs because a person who has only smoked weed, and most of the people who did have cancer smoked at least 1 pack every 2 days. You can find all this info scatered around and the the percentage is an actual percent based on the chemicals in each of the products. All I have to say is (more mystical noises...a rip...a rip...a rip...holy shit this has taken me 2 and a half hours to write but ohh well) smoke it up!
P.S. cigs have 1000+ chemicals Mary Jane has 1 delta-9-tetrohydrocanibanol. If you need anymore info this is the site you need www.yahooka.com just search and find what you need.

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Nov 12 2002 1:32AM
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tori
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Ive been amazed by the effort people are putting in their posts. People who rat on the government as being a biased source of information and then quote yahooka.com just shoot themselves in the foot.
The conspiracy theories are great too.
Legalisation will only work from the smokers point of view if means that you are allowed to grow your own. Walking down to the corner store to buy a pack of j's is not gonna be a good thing. There is fuck loads of money to be made from this. Who are the companies that have the business structure and manufacturing equipment in place to produce j's? Tobacco companies. They're just gonna fill them with some of their own shit as well.

I knew the audience I was preaching too. I get get a bit worked up about the lack of info on the subject available to kids. Its like its a taboo subject. My 14 year old little sister started to have a few joints with her friends. Most of the time they just start smoking rollies when they run out of weed. Now she is totally hooked on nicotine and fucking smokes 3/4 of a packet a day.
Just makes me angry. Yes its her choice, but it still makes me angry.


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Nov 12 2002 11:46AM
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RustyPlanks
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When I said yahooka.com this is a way of getting info through them rather than doing mindless searches through other web sites (aka yahoo google etc..). Also the information I stated earlier is all factual based on thousands of hours dedicated by many pro-cannabis activists. Also many polls have been taken from random people on the streets in many different cities to calculate how many people smoke weed. 93.6% said they had smoked pot in their life and 86.3% said that they didn't think it affected their lives for the worst the other 13% said they were unable to say cause you can't turn back time and see what happens. And 56.3% on average said that they still smoke once a month. You people who think weed is for the person in the dark ally are wrong your probably sitting next to someone that does it or has done it.

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Nov 12 2002 3:47PM
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SUpilot
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here you go....

weed is not healty at all
cigarettes are not heatly at all

but hey the sooner ya'll leave the world cause you feel the need to session the better. more room for the rest of us on the mtn and in the parks.
Nov 12 2002 3:51PM
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ski2824
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if ANYONE is in any way interested in the truth and history about weed, and the history of how acurate information about it has been doctored and supressed thoughout recent history, go down to the library and take out the book 'The Emporer Has No Clothes' Every issue disgussed here, and many others, will be answered. If somone actually has the intellect to do this and writes an article or post about the book, i will send you 20$.
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Nov 12 2002 5:53PM
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Nov 12 2002 8:39PM
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freestylejibber
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when they did the test to see how much it would take to o.d. they pumped the smoke into an air tight room and the monkey suffocated from all the smoke. they way to die
Nov 12 2002 8:45PM
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emilie_55
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they are both bad for you.. and if we are all going to die in the end at least die from something fun... oh and you have to smoke your weight to overdose on weed is what i heard...
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Nov 13 2002 2:15PM
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SUpilot
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what???? smoke your weight????????
Nov 13 2002 2:46PM
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mammothpunks
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yes. you must intake your wieght in weed to
OD


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Nov 13 2002 4:59PM
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CTripper
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yeah i heard about that poor monkey, he inhaled more smoke in 5 minutes than most of us inhale in our lifetimes.
-Chris

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Nov 13 2002 7:52PM
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MadTrixter
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he was prolly trippin and shit. i'd love to smoke myself halfway to the point that i could od


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Nov 13 2002 9:25PM
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SUpilot
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so in other words you cant od?
Nov 14 2002 1:58AM
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witchbaby666
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Smoking, fucking randomly, steriods,
they're only a problem if you plan to live a long time.






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Nov 14 2002 2:08AM
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What
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i dont know how accurate this might be but...
has anyone considered that many people (at least that i know, i do sometimes, but not all) mix their bud with baccy from cig's and shit. do you think that the baccy was included in thier study, cuz that would be a huge part dont ya think?
opinions?

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Nov 14 2002 2:32AM
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MadTrixter
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that would make sense, but i think they would tell you if they did

but has anybody heard of keith? it's when you get really good nuggets and put them in a blender and all the crystals come off and stick to the lid of the blender. then you take the lid off, tap it on the counter, scrape all the crytals into a tablet, and when you're ready to smoke you break open the tablet. i've never done it, but i'll bet it would only take like one hit to get you blazed, that would probably be pretty easy on your lungs, but then you have to do something with the nuggets you ruined.


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Nov 14 2002 2:04PM
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Bawb
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Just don't smoke.





Bawb, I can trace this wanting for abuse back to your childhood i see it all the time. See growing up you had two dads, whereas everyone else you knew had a dad and a mom. This put you in the 'outsider' catagory right off the bat. Some of your earliet memories were bad sounds coming from your parents bedroom. The crack of leather whips and chains echoed through the hall of your mobile home. One day when you braved the nerve to open the door to this room of horror. You opend the door and saw both of you your dads with their mustaches where they didn't belong. Since that moment in your life you have craved abuse, someone that could beat those memories out of your little head. - Dr Von ReefSideRider
Nov 14 2002 2:26PM
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ski2824
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hahahaha, it's called KIEF dude, and your stupid if you put your buds in a blender. you keep them in somthing called a kief box, which collects the crystals when the fall off, and you pack em on a bowl later. gets you BAAAAAKED.
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Nov 14 2002 5:49PM
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CTripper
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if some magazine said 900 joints was the lethal limit, could smoking so much paper have something to do with it?
-Chris

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Nov 14 2002 7:00PM
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ski2824
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basicly you would die of smoke inhalation before THC poisining, it's never been done.
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Nov 14 2002 9:25PM
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freerider05
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weed is bad because its illegal, the government along with politicins try to make it seem WAy worse than it is... during the reformation when beer was illegal did that make it bad for you? I think not... but those in charge told everyone it was bad... goddamn you could do WAY worse with a bottle of fucking robitussin, or a can of whip cream... marijuana SHOULD be legal - this would take all the crime out of it... something like 50% of all drug dealers deal mainly weed... then we can actually punish the people who help kill users and we can further persue happines with the magic hippie lettuce... anyone remember anything from American History also? cause one of the major US crops, one of the infant industries in the 1800s was rope making out of hemp... hemp is the stem of the great marijuana plant... Immagine fields and fields of weed... and I bet they coulda make hella money off the buds if they harvested them along with the hemp... GODDAMN!


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