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Are you joking? "If they nuke US, We should nuke their Holy Sites"
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'If they nuke US, We should nuke their Holy Sites' - [Politics]
Submitted by scienott on 7/21/2005 1:35:42 PM
Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo told a radio show host that the U.S. could "take out" Islamic holy sites if Muslim fundamentalist terrorists attacked the country with nuclear weapons. He made his remarks Friday on WFLA-AM.
Talk show host Pat Campbell asked the Littleton Republican how the country should respond if terrorists struck several U.S. cities with nuclear weapons.
"Well, what if you said something like — if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites," Tancredo answered.
"You're talking about bombing Mecca," Campbell said.
"Yeah," Tancredo responded.
The congressman later said he was "just throwing out some ideas" and that an "ultimate threat" might have to be met with an "ultimate response."
Spokesman Will Adams said the four-term congressman doesn't support threatening holy Islamic sites but that Tancredo was grappling with the hypothetical situation of an attack deadlier than 9/11. "We have an enemy with no uniform, no state, who looks like you and me and only emerges right before an attack. How do we go after someone like that?"
"What is near and dear to them? They're willing to sacrifice everything in this world for the next one. What is the pressure point that would deter them from their murderous impulses?" he said.
Mohammad Noorzai, coordinator of the Colorado Muslim Council and a native of Afghanistan, said Tancredo's remarks were radical and unrepresentative but that people in Tancredo's position need to watch their words when it comes to sacred religious sites and texts.
Seriously, what is wrong with people.
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have fun with that. sure the military defends our country and freedome to some extent. im not gona go into how there not really being used now to defend the us and stop terorism by being in iraq beaces thats kind of off topic. but if you are so passionate about fighting these terrorists and stoping them then you should persue a carier in some sort of inteligice feild because in this new type of war inteligince is the way to stop the terrorists before the strike and win the war on terror.
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^^^ how do u think we stop them... people find out who and when its ganna happen and have special forces or CIA or someone go in and take care of the problem
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that may have been the most stupid thing ive ever heard, when hitler killed millions of jews christians in a whole were not to blame and condemned, it was the nazis that were to blame.. its the same thing but in a different aspect muslims are not to blame for the killing of these people it is the fundementalists.
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and by the way the best thing to do to stop terror attacks is to finally listen to muslmins in middle east. stop all the shit with israel and help them out
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It's really not the same. The point you are trying to make is very good but it's not the same.
1) The Christian world stood up and condemned Hitler and his actions and took action against him.
2) Hitler wasn't what you would call a "Christian Fundamentalist" his actions weren't even based on a religious motive. He used the Jews as scapegoats for the reason Germany was in a depression.
Ice-is-Scary's comments weren't inline with what many people believe. He is however entitled to his opinion, and if you allow his opinion to make you a hateful person you are no better.
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One issue that the world of Islam needs to address is a unified denunciation of terrorism.
A lot of people feel that the Muslim world's silence in the matter is due to the fact that behind closed doors they agree with the all the terrorism attacks.
I don't feel this way personally but I know and have heard many people who don't care who we retailiate at as long as they are muslim.
After all, these attacks are not political for the terrorists they are religious and in many people's eyes this makes the whole religion guilty when they don't speak out.
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Deezl is totally right untill the Middle Eastern Countries all come and and offically say they denounce terrorism in all ways we should be able to do what we want to get the job done. And if the terrorists take out large american cities and then we take out the things that hit home to them. They need to be responsible for their actions.
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To "stop all the shit in Isreal" would be to turn our backs on the eradication of Isreal as all the Muslim countries would converge on that land immediately. Not a solution.
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Assassin please don't twist the meaning of my words.
I IN NO WAY SUPPORT BOMBING ENTIRE CITIES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE IN RETALIATION.
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^^ sry i didnt mean to but i cant really put into words what i was trying to get across i used that to help
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and by the way al-quaeda got his support from polictics in part. the hate agaisnt the US is from that
people are tired that Israel can do whatever he wants in middle east. They took 75% of the muslim lands in palestinian that added to the land that the world community gave them to build israel. they are tired of US supporting stupid bullshit royalty in arabia saudia and wait arabia saudia isn't a democracy why don't Us attacked them to put freedom back! middle east is a big bullshit and muslim are sick and tired of this
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dude, with your mentality im sure you will make a great soldier.
And the reasons why these extreemists are pissed off at us has nothing to do with a diffrence in religion, but has everything to do with our plutocracy and polotical agendas. I wont deny that the people who get hurt and killed by terrorists arnt the ones who deserve it, but the government is supposed to do whats in the best intrests of the people it serves, and if its in their best intrestest to not be blown up by a bomb in a subway car, then the government should be doing everything in their power to stop it. Not just fighting an unconstitutional war. It is one step towards stoping these attacks, but its not the only step and its certinaly not the best step because a) it hasnt been working and b) its not prevention, its reaction and doesnt even go close to solving the problem.
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umm to the kid that said giving isreal the land to build a country it was theirs since the time the Jews left egypt and then when they were conquered by Greeks and then Rome and rome being cunquored and divided up and then through the years the country was lost and then after WW2 we the world decided to give their land back. It was never the Palestinaines or how ever u spell it and if u think i pulled this outta my ass i go to a relgious school and my teacher has a doctrete in theology so dont even try to argue
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o and about that solider comment do b mad at me becuase ur a pussy and dont love ur country enough to help protect it... without soliders we wouldnt be able to be having the discussion in the first place
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Everyone has the answers after the fact, but if it's reaction to a problem there's an error in your post Apple.
A reaction is due to cause and effect. There must first be an action for us to have a reaction. I know as well as anyone who pays attention that Iraq had no direct ties to 9/11, but those events lead up to the war we are in now. As well as the war we are fighting on terrorism.
We did not start the war on terrorism, it was a reaction as you stated. A reaction is not the cause of any problem it happens after the problem. In this case we did not directly cause any problem.
Arguements that implicate the U.S. in having responsibility for terror attacks against us are inherently flawed. Terror is not justified by any means, no matter the actions of the U.S. If these people wanted to fight effectively against the U.S., they should rally the governments of the Muslim nations to make a loud statement against the actions of the U.S.
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I can try to argue man since the muslim religion is just an extend to the christian and jews.
jews are just the retard one if you want who didn't found any other profets. so it's all there land
and there was jews that were living along with muslim in palestine before israel were there and they were getting along. religion isn't the issue man. it's the politics that makes all the bullshit man.
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Religion is the issue. They are mad at the Politics over "Holy Land". I have issues with this because what religion ok's violence over material....NONE OF THEM! Neither the Jews nor Muslims should be fighting over material possesions if they were true to their beliefs.
If it's not religious at its roots then define the term Jihad.
I will state again though because I am not trying to make any enemies. I am neutral on the matter. All sides are wrong in this matter and no one is doing the right thing.
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^^ no ur wrong
The story of Moses is how Isreal and the Jews were founded as a nation. You dont have to believe in Moses or any of that but the story is true. After the jews left isreal they went to the land "god gave to them" which was Canaan (now isreal). The 12 tribes then fought the people who were their first who were people who believed in a god called Baal. Then the Palestinians started coming from the sea and invading Jewish territory the 12 tribes untied to fight them out... then David and Golith happens and then the unite to forum Judea. Something happened where Judea split in to the south called judea and the north called Isreal. Then what i said in my post b4 this happened.
and saying they dont have any prophits ur a total moron not being mean but its true. If u took religion classes all ur life youd no that Judiasm was the 1st monotheistic faith(believe in 1 god) and was lead by prophets before the Jews called out for a king. Look in the old testament of the bible. 75 percent of it is named after a prophet who wrote that certain book. Judiasm has the most prophets Islam has 1 recognized prophet and that muhammad.
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im going with Deezl on this one i was just stating a point and i didnt mean to offend anyone so sorry if i did. But dont try to argue religion with me becuase u probably have no idea what ur talking about.
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yeah but
muslims believe in jesus. they just think that the bible is corrupted and that mohammed is a new prophet that came to put the message back on the straightline
look jesus=jewish
so jewish(abraham and all those dudes)-christian- (jesus after abrahams and all of those dudes)-muslims(all the ones before + mohammet
that's the orders of the profets
and I don't mind arguing with you little stupid religious fondamentalist that isn't greater than the muslims ones cause you're just a stupid ass sucker who thinks others are wrong and you're right
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there was no Muslim faith before muhammad their bud.
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I bet I know as much or more than you about various religions. It doesn't make me an expert though man.
There are many sides to this issue and one really needs to think with an open mind about all the sides and consider where our country could be right and could be wrong.
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^ i bet u dont no more than me
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there was multiple religious but the muslmims did razzia to expand there religion
and the muslim religion is from christianis and jews
they just think that it's a fucked up version of the story by normal people who corrupted it
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Abraham was the father of all 3 religions
Islam started when Muhammad got a vision and was told to travel to Mecca and spread his world and the same thing that happened to him happened to jesus... he was criticized and thrown out of the city and then when he had gained enough suppost throughout the middle east and enough followers he went back to Mecca and conquered it
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you're right with that
but there is no relation with what I told you
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ya i read urs wrong sry bout that lol
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I went to Catholic school for 9 years, spent one semester in the seminary...left studied buddhism instensly for three years, read the Qur' an, have spent hours upon hours of my life studying the LDS religion, and lived with a Hindu girl for three months.
Unless you are God himself, I feel quite confident that I may discuss religion with you at any length Assassin.
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^ dont talk about what you dont know, seriously you sound like a retard abbreviating everything you say, but thats off topic. i have a lot more examples but what you said about muhammad being the 1 recognized prophet of islam is completely rediculous, theres so many i cant even name them all, including jesus and moses.. dude im a muslim, i dont have to be told about my religion from a kid that thinks he know everything but cant even spell righ
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I forgot to mention that two of my best friends are Jewish and we enjoy discussing religion thoroughly.
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you are not right on that either, muhammad was born in medina not mecca and he had his visions on top of a mountain in a cave in medina, he tried to teach the people the religion but they were polytheistic and rejected his views, he was kick out, thats when he went to mecca and people accepted his beliefs.. stop trying to sound smart
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if terror is not justified by any means, then howcome we are forcing people in these counties to live in fear of their familys being destroyed by a bomb being droped from a stealth plane that flys too high for any of their anti aircraft defences? indicriminatly killing men, women and children? Destroying homes, hopes and dreams... I agree that terrorist attacks are not the right way to gain their means, but there must be something seriously wrong if its the only way they feel they can bring about change.
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pag knows what hes talking about from what ive seen, there was no actual muslim faith before muhammad, but jesus is a prophet along with many others, muhammad is just the last prophet.
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^^ok have fun
and butterlicious ur right i dont no much about Islam but besides Muhammad what other prophet would non-muslims no of besides moses and jesus. Most people can name jewish ones easily and i was just saying that jewish faith has more prophets than muslim and christain. i wasnt saying telling u about ur religion. and i miss spelled one word so all of a sudden i dont no how to spell??
im done with this thread im sorry to every1 i ddont want any enemied....
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When have we EVER stated that nuclear war was an option? Not as an official statement EVER.
That comment is unfounded.
Again Apple, we did not START the violent attacks.
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well I red the art of war by I don't remember who
and it explains all the muslim fondemantal stuff
I discovered there that muslims have a way better religion than I do (christian) and that here people are just stupid fucks who don't know stuff about muslims so I got more interested and red a bit about muslims. and the middle east conflict is something that intereset me a lot.
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Apple americans are living the same way... but instead of a stealth bomber its a terrorist with 5 pounds a c4 strpped to his chest. And are u saying its unfair that we fly to high so their guns cant shoot us. thats nice u care about people u dont no but the american pilot who is in that plan ud rather have a better chance of him getting shot down becuase he bombs at a lower altitude so everything is fair.
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my dad is super religious and real crazy, he reads books for about 6 hours a day everyday, and he even denounces the terroists attacks yesterday he told me "this is bullshit, its not jihad when you strap a bomb onto you and kill innocent people, jihad cannot be performed by single people but has to be performed by the nation of islam, in order to SPREAD religiong."
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I'm sorry if you feel you are being attacked for being Muslim Butterlicious.
Please know that my posts are neither for nor against anyone in this matter. I'm trying to make unbiased arguements about the whole issue.
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ya im done posting in this cuz like i said i dont want any enimies and i dont want to offened ne1
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^i never said that i felt as if i was being attacked, im saying that a some people shouldnt start talking about islam as if they are scholars of it, and feeding everyone else false information and actually trying to argue with that false information.
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I know you didn't. It's just that these are very sensitive issues, I wanted to express my opinions but didn't want to make enemies out of people that seem like good guys.
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no, dude, you missed the point. I only added that fact because if there arnt any reall possible and imediate consiquences to the pilot and aircrafts wellbeing, then there is less potential loss and more bombs droped, almost certinaly in excess of whats needed. The point is that we are trying to fight a war on terror, to make our lives more secure while at the same time forcing other innocent people to live in fear and die, and somehow we find this justified. If one of the people who helped plan the attacks of who sold the c4 is killed by the bombs, then good. But its not good if 50 other innocent men, wemon and children die at the same time. If brothers, sisters, husbands and wives are killed, Personal homes destroyed, (in a way destroying homes is worse than what the terrorists do in destroying public buildings and vehicles. If i was living under constand thread of my house being destroyed, with everything that I own inside,) I wouldnt just sit there and do nothing. Id be out in the streets trying to get rid of the soldiers occupying my village.
An eye for an eye, i can understand, retrabution and revenge are inherant in our being, but an eye for two eyes and a toung isnt right. It wont solve any problems, and it certinaly wont make any friends among the people who might have been againts the terrorists and with the people who were being terrorized.
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Why are you guys over-analyzing this statement and taking it so seriously?
Make careful note of:
The congressman later said he was "just throwing out some ideas" and that an "ultimate threat" might have to be met with an "ultimate response."
Bombing a whole city out of anger and retaliation and killing millions of innocent people is ludacrous. That would make us no different than the terrorists themselves. I don't agree with that being an option in present time, nor do I believe the congressman does either.
The point he is simply trying to make is that we must take whatever action necessary. An ultimate threat might have to be met with an ultimate response. That's it. No more, no less. Take it for what it is.
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couldnt have said it better myself
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you have no idea buddy. there have been well over 100,000 iraqi civilians killed since the U.S. invasion began, many of them by insurgents. this is a country of 26 million people. on 9/11, about 3,000 people died. there have been no terrorist attacks since then in the US, a country of 295 million people. i'll let you do the math.
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Ok granted I'm just talking shit to piss you bleeding heart liberals off. But I challenge you to come up with a viable solution. All I ever hear out of you people is complaining, lets hear some answers
Q: If terrorists started leveling cities tommarow, every day they were nuking another city, what should we do?
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If the U.S. was nuked, the muslims in the U.S. would be killed so fast in retaliation by angry people that they wouldn't have a chance to attack. I'm not saying it is right, but it would happen.
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And that was the most stupid thing I have ever heard! Was Hitler a christian? NO. Were the nazis christian? NO. Did the nazis claim to be christian in anything that they did? Did they blow up night clubs and sky scrapers because god told them to? NO. When the nazis took control of Germany, they removed every cross from every church and replaced it with a swastika. Not only were the nazis not christian, the outlawed christianity. Read a fucking history book before you make off handed comments that you know absolutely nothing about. You are an idiot.
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