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Tiger vs. Lance, WTF!!

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Ski-hobo
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/tim_layden/07/22/lance.tiger/index.html

Ok, so Tiger walks around a fucking golf coarse in fucking Khakis and sports illistarted dares to put him in the same category as a man who rides 2,000+ miles on a bike for nearly every day?? Pure bullshit.





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Jul 23 2005 3:42AM
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nicke_1080
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Its tough to compare these two athletes. Lance is the best cyceler on the erth, and tiger the best golfer.
they are so different sports. cycling needs so good stamina and power, but in golf your concentration is so deep.. in one comp tiger didint remember anything about the 1-17 holes just after he had finish...

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Jul 23 2005 3:56AM
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(Jonesy)
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Lance Armstrong is the best athlete in the world hands down. Tiger Woods can hit a golf ball well. awsome, good for you.

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Jul 23 2005 3:59AM
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nicke_1080
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^and mentally its sick, if you know that if u putt in this putt your 2 millions richer and if y miss this 5 feet putt u loose...my hands are alreday shaking when we play with some friend at a bet like $20

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Jul 23 2005 4:00AM
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FRZGene
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Lance Armstrong, while a great athlete, peddles a bike. In my opinion, Tiger is just as good of an athlete. Golf takes just as much skill as riding a bike. They are just different skill sets.

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Jul 23 2005 5:14AM
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alpinecowboy84
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my friend i think there is something to be said about pain and anguish and drawing on those deep energy reserves...there is no expression of fighting misery on tiger woods face. determination in lances field however, speaks volumes.







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Jul 23 2005 5:47AM
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AltaPilgrim4973
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dude tiger VS. lance has got to be the morst comparison ever, tiger is a complete pussy. Wow, he can swing a golf club, my grandmother does that every sunday. i would love to see tiger try to ride just one stage in the tour de france, avg 200 kilometers, which is like half of what lance's normal training ride is. i wont get into it any more because ill wind up typing like 5 pages

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Jul 23 2005 5:54AM
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bigdoubler125805y
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i would be pissed if i were lance

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Jul 23 2005 6:31AM
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JoeTheRipper
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he's not the best athlete in the world not even close neither is tiger woods, the best athletes are soccer players and I don't know, but an athlete is all around, lance rides a bike amazingly well but other than ride it what does he do?

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Jul 23 2005 6:39AM
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AltaPilgrim4973
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dude do you have any idea the kind of stamina and endurane it takes to do a 6-7 hour ride, burning 5000+ calories, not to mention that in a climbing stage in the tour your climbing for almost 50 straight miles in weather than can range from ninty plus degreese, to below freezing all in the same day!!! o and did i mention the fact that thay arfe doing alot of this at extreem elevation? given soccer players are crazy good athletes, but a soccer game lasts like 2 hours, and if your a golie or someone on defense then all ur doing is standing around half the time. educate yourself next time.

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Jul 23 2005 6:47AM
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JoeTheRipper
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dude speaking of education,
ath·lete ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thlt)
n.
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

If we examine this definition it says strength, which lance has in his legs not necessarily in his upper body, agility, which in my mind he might posess but doesn't use it, and endurance, which he has amazingly high levels of. So you are right to say that that he has crazy endurance, but he is in no way of the term an all around athlete.

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Jul 23 2005 6:55AM
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JoeTheRipper
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also I need to educate myself? look at your spelling asshat

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Jul 23 2005 6:56AM
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theBOSS.
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Hahaha. You guys have no idea how hard it is to play golf at a professional level. And to keep playing well throughout the final round of a major tournament.

Sure, theres not necesarily the physical endurance involved, but the concentration, coordination and mental endurance involved are probably greater than any sport out there. If you watch Tiger's face all through a round of golf, he rarely even shows any emotion, he's in such a deep mental concentration. So many golfers choke in the final rounds.

Tweak4973, your grandma can swing a golf club... Well, my grandman can ride a fucking bike, whoop dee doo. Thats no comparison at all, because neither plays any sport at a professional level.




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Jul 23 2005 7:41AM
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pmills
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you guys are tools in the article it said it was like apples and oranges to compair them, and that the writer even agreed that lance's acomplishments were more strenuous on the body, but in the eye of the public, tiger takes it. first because he's going to be playing golf for so many more years, and because even after tiger retires people will still watch the sport, and will still mention his name. Honestly how manny of you are gong to watch the tour de france next year when lance isn't racing? ...thats the point behind it. sure lance is accomplishing a more enduring feat but tiger has a much bigger following

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Jul 23 2005 7:49AM
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PurpleSkier
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Lance doesnt ride 2000+ everyday. Thats impossible. More like 200+

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Jul 23 2005 11:23AM
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bermbuster49
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right on, its like that tanner hall and bode miller shit, if you put lance on a golf coarse he could hit the ball around and get it in the whole, but if you put tiger on a bike, he wouldnt make it a mile.

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jul 23 2005 11:25AM
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mz2288
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the point they are trying to make is that both are the best in there respective sports not who would be better at each others sports

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Jul 23 2005 11:28AM
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bermbuster49
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yes but thinking about how they would be in each others sports helps deteremine who is a better all around athlete.

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jul 23 2005 11:30AM
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jibster270
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Actually, it could easily be said that Lance is the best athlete ever. He has the highest breath to oxygen converstion ratio out of any human alive. That means with every breath, he pumps out more oxygen to his muscles than anyone else. That makes his body so amazingly fit, that no one else can even compare.

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Jul 23 2005 11:37AM
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mz2288
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true but the only way to find that out is to have them compete against each other

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Jul 23 2005 11:37AM
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Itsbackfliptime
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^you're fucking stupid. Tiger trains harder than probably most pro athletes. He runs 4 miles every day, lifts weights, plays golf. Of course he doesnt do as much as lance but that doesnt make him any less of an athlete.

Unless Lance is already an avid golfer(which he very well could be) I'd but that tiger would do better on a bike than lance would on the golf course.

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Jul 23 2005 11:38AM
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Itsbackfliptime
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^ that was for the guy above the guy above me.

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Jul 23 2005 11:38AM
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bermbuster49
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theres no way tiger would do better on a bike than lance would on the golf coarse, golf takes practice, patience and skill, all of those can be aquired fairly easily with a lot of focus, but the training and stamina that it takes to win the tour de france can take months to build up, and a hell of a lot more determination than whacking a golf ball....and i'm not taking anything away from tiger, hes an awsome golfer, but lance is by far the better ALL-AROUND athlete.

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jul 23 2005 12:20PM
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boardz11
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there is very few aspects to biking pedel and endurance but golf thre is so many different things u have to be great at to be a good golfer.; both sports take a crap load of training of course but by far tiger wins bc its much more detailed bc lance has teamates to help him draft and all and tiger hes on his ownlike if lance made one mistake hed still be ok if tiger did he lost the tourney basicall so tiger wins

Jul 23 2005 12:31PM
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hucker22
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oh shit where do i start. this is the worst comparison ever, and shouldnt ever be up for debate. Tiger is the best golfer today, and amazing concertration, and drive to be the best. He can stop midswing if something isnt right, just so he wont hit a bad shot and mess up a round. Lance is domaniting the world of cycling just like Tiger is dominating the world of golf. I dont know who you would say is the most athletic. Its obvious Lance would kill Tiger in cycling, and visa versa. Now there could always be an argument as to Lance overcoming cancer to dominate the world of cycling for the past 7 years. But then i could just come back with Tiger Woods being discrimated against as a young kid on the golf course because of his race, and now becoming the most dominate player in golf, black or white. So there is no argument, they are both the greatest in there sports, i think that artical was obviously sponsered by Nike

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Jul 23 2005 12:32PM
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bermbuster49
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are you fucking kidding me?!!? you say tiger wins because lance can DRAFT?!?! holy shit what are you on, drafting is a good thing, it helps you go faster, but it by no means is a free ticket to the win, you still have to be in such better shape than golfers. and thats great how if tiger misses the shot he looses, but its the same thing with lance, if he fucks up, he will loose too, he cant draft back to first place, geeze.....fucking drafting....

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jul 23 2005 12:34PM
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theBOSS.
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Ahh the ignorance...

You think you can become a pro golfer just by "focusing"? I'd like to see you train a year as hard as Tiger does, you still would be NOWHERE in the golf world. Golf is a sport that takes years just to become satisfactory in. To go out and play at a pro level takes some people their whole lives to do.

Sure, anyone can hit a golf ball, but anyone can ride a bike. It takes some extremely intense training to become proficient in either sport, but to say golf takes no physical skill or no extensive training is one of the most rediculous things I've ever heard.


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Jul 23 2005 1:22PM
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(Jonesy)
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right on the money. any of you saying that tiger woods is a better athlete, think about the fact that he had three tumors removed from his nuts, lungs and brain for a few minutes. wait, let it sink in...okay, good.

now, tiger woods had the luxury of growing up playing golf. as we all know, practice makes perfect. lance on the other hand, trains like a possesed beast to achieve what he has. he actually HAS been tested, and is the most efficient and fit example of the human body alive. everything, from the way he processes oxygen, to his caloric burn is perfect. tiger makes minor adjustments to his club position and swing to get a stroke under his competition, which there are plenty that can play at his level. no one can touch what lance has done, period.

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Jul 23 2005 1:38PM
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bermbuster49
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golf takes training, but its practice and mental stuff to hone your skills. training for endurance with bikes is a lot harder than practicing golfing, i train for dirtbiking, 8 miles a day, and i know i would rather go practice golf than be runing on that treadmill. combining all that lance has gone through, everything he does today, and what he has acomplished so far deff. puts him over the top of tiger, i'm not taking anything away from tiger, hes a great athlete, but sertainly not the best.

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jul 23 2005 1:40PM
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You can't compare the two. Lance destroys Tiger. Lance is a crazy athlete, plus having cancer all over his body, and still remaining to be the best althete is astonishing. While Tiger is a white man traped in a black man's body.

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Jul 23 2005 1:57PM
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Ski-hobo
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I swear to god, some people have never pushed themselves so hard running or biking or anything to where they puke, go outside right now, and run or bike so far and so fast that you nearly destroy yourself, then do that every day for a month.





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Jul 23 2005 1:59PM
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Ski-hobo
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And think of this, once lance retires from biking, he can work on his golf game for the rest of his life, thats how pathetic golf is, that fucking 70 years olds can play it.





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Jul 23 2005 2:02PM
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TheClap.
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i see 70 year olds riding fucking bikes to, and by the way the best athletes in the world are those crazy ass triathletes, and it all comes down to this, tiger could beat the shit out of lance but lance could run away on his bike so they are even, and, lets put lance armstrong in the british open and see how he does, it would be a laugh. they are both amazing athletes in their own rights.

Jul 23 2005 2:27PM
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Luc.
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i wouldnt say ebst athlete....he definatley deserves it because of his challenge with cancer...but i think there are others that work just as hard if not harder than he does....

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Jul 23 2005 2:40PM
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FartBoy05
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i like lance better.
cant really compare them but golf takes so much skill

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Jul 23 2005 2:56PM
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bermbuster49
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been there done that, you guys want to see athletes come to an offroad dirtbike race in the middle of the summer. kids are collapsing from exhaustion, throwing up uncontrolably, breaking bones, breaking bikes, and our sweat is mixed with blood, i can connect with lance because of all the shit i've been through, and i know hes had it even tougher than me, and yet you guys still think that fucking GOLF, makes tiger a better all around athlete than lance, you have to be on drugs...

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jul 23 2005 3:00PM
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Coalescent
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have you ever even played golf?

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Jul 23 2005 4:09PM
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ztragnoB
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you have pulled everything you said out of your ass. Golf takes so much longer to prefect then riding a bike, And you think tiger goes home everyday after playing 36+ holes and sits there? No look at the UCLA golf team they are fucking jacked, you have to be in shape to compete in golf. Im not saying biking is easy because by all means it isnt, and Lance definatley has acomplished an enormus feat.

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Jul 23 2005 4:22PM
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bermbuster49
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but just because a sport takes longer to perfect, does that mean that tiger is a better athlete? and dont even try to fuck with me and dirtbikes, you have no idea bitch.

-kulpy-

gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jul 23 2005 4:27PM
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^ a fucking dirtbike you little bitch? what you sweat your balls off, big deal. Do your wrists hurt from throttling it?

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Jul 23 2005 4:35PM
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all of u need to go and try to hit a golf ball 300+ yards straight every time... now once u realize u cant do that, put all the pressure of every person in the United States either ruiting for u or against u, and try to do the same thing.. u cant say lance armstrong is a greater athlete just b/c his sport is viewed as more gruling

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Jul 23 2005 4:55PM
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bermbuster49
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christ do i really have to get into this. the most oblivous kids ever always say, what? you train to move your wrist and sit on the bike? if you would try one race, just ONE you would know why its so hard. if it wasnt hard, or physically demanding, why did i throw up from exhaustion the other race? and why are kids crossing the finish line and then collapsing, and needing to be taken away on streatchers because they have severe dehydration and exhaustion. and if your telling yourself, well they should have just drank more water, bullshit, this girl i race with imed me last night and was like, guess what, i drank 3 gallons of water so far!, racers know why hydration is. My racing isnt the pussy shit you see on tv either, it isnt 15 minute moto's followed by 2 hours of rest, its 1 and a half hours, in a row, as fast as you can go, bouncing off rocks, berms, people, and tree's. From the dead engine start where kids are drinking peptobismal from the bottle so they dont throw up, to the last checker when everyone is completely spent. you cant bash my sport not knowing what it takes, cas you have no fucking idea man. the kids today are pushing out of control, the bikes cant handle the riders today, and thats why they break down so much. it kills me when people dont recognize what dirtbike racers are doing, because i know, one race and they would be a transformed person, and wouldnt be so dumb to think that all you need to do is twist the throttle, if you need me to tell you more about this pm me, i have to go eat dinner, i have a big race tomorrow...

-kulpy-

gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jul 23 2005 4:57PM
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One important fact that I think many people leave out (such as the Cold Pizza guys yesterday), is when you're comparing Lance to any other athlete, such as Jordan or Babe Ruth or whatever, Lance competes against the best in the entire world. The rest of those guys compete against the best in the US.







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Jul 23 2005 5:05PM
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Deezl
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I could give a shit about the comparison but you guys who are saying Lance is the best "athlete" ever are waaay off in my opinion.

What about guys who have played at the top level in two professional sports. (Deon Sanders, Bo Jackson) or guys who were drafted to play one professional sport and dominate in another (Eric Lindros, I think Gretzky too)

Lance may or may not be the best cyclist ever. Tour de France rider for sure, but who here actually knows enough about all aspects of cycling to decide the best ever. Aren't there some guys on the Tour de France who compete in other forms of cycling that place highly. What about Velo racing? Short track racing?



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hahahah. hahahah. hahahah.

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Jul 23 2005 5:07PM
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AltaPilgrim4973
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velo racing is just gay, and short track is mountain biking, u realy dont have a fucking clue do you?

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Jul 23 2005 5:12PM
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BxB
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the best athletes in the world are hands down all the people who do the iron man and shit
those guys bike hundreds of miles, run like 26 miles, and swim 3 miles all on the same day jezz

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Jul 23 2005 5:19PM
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AltaPilgrim4973
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all the biking they do is flat, and by the way, if u were educated on the subject u would know that lance was kicking ass in ironman competitions when he was 17

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Jul 23 2005 5:24PM
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shrEddie
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tiger has much more skill than lance. lance armstrong is just in really good shape. i can ride a bike but i sure as hell can hit a golf ball like tiger

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Jul 23 2005 5:24PM
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Deezl
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Actually it seems as though I'm the one with the clue. At least I made an arguement. Your reasoning is that no one who is a velo racer could be a better cyclist because velo is "gay". Oh that makes much more sense to me now.

And as my post asked a question about any cyclists who compete in several kinds of races not just tours. Obviously I don't know much about competitive cycling if I'm asking questions. Thank you for so clearly pointing out what I already made clear.

What is your answer to the first part of my post? What about athletes in other sports?

Jul 23 2005 5:27PM
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AltaPilgrim4973
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there arent many guys out there that compete in road, and mountain events. theres alot of them who used to do the other and kicked ass at it but then made the transfer to road or mountain, and as far as velo, thats just my oppinion, to me velo is a boring as nascar, nothing but turning left

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