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I love it... one of the most intelligent members ever to grace newschoolers with his presence makes a triumphant and inspired return, and is greeted with "dumbfuck", "shithead" and other classic NS repartees. Just shows you the state of affairs on this website haven’t really improved in the last 2 weeks.
I was accosted this morning by some NSer on MSN, an event which encouraged me to make some sort of a post on here, even if it’s just one. And hey, Tim did... So, I’ll toss something into the ring too. I said I’d post if there was some reason to, anyway, and lo and behold, this thread! Anyone remember when these things were actually fairly common in NSG? Ah, internet nostalgia...Time for a cut and paste hack job, as one of my posts was once referred to.
“the world needs to watch those of the Muslim faith, fuck the concept of racial profiling being unacceptable. Its what we need in these times.�
-cjgncjgn*$
Let’s also have senatorial inquiries into hollywood personages who might be supporting the terrorist philosophy; witch hunts and the like. Oh Senator McCarthy, where are ye when we need ye most? The biggest problem with racial profiling is that it’s notoriously unreliable. Dumb kids like you and kingshit see some 6 foot 4 guy with a beard and a turban walking through the airport and go, “Oh shit, he might blow me up�... in fact he’s possibly the lowest potential threat in the building. Firstly, an organized attacker will take precautions not to appear to be an attacker. That’s just common sense, but to take that further, a muslim attacker will ALWAYS be cleanshaven, washed, and perfumed, because they prefer to be clean and pure for what could very well be their final days. Essentially the practice of racial profiling is only useful to assuage the fears of the ignorant that the “towel heads� are having their bags searched, so it’s safe to get on the airplane... in reality it might even be counterproductive if it shifts attention away from more likely perpetrators.
“Oh yeah Melvs lets just be ignorant as your post and close our eyes and pretend that it's only the "extremists" who do it. Hmmmm let me think who the extremists are... hmmm... this is going to be a hard answer... oh yeah TOWEL HEADS! Now I understand that not all extremists are towel heads but guess what I bet 95% of them are�
-Kingshit
Ok, it is only the extremists who do it, first of all... show me a moderate muslim who occasionally steps out to rig himself up a car bomb, you idiot. Secondly, 99% of extremists are men, but I don’t see any suggestion that all men should submit to cavity searches. You can come up with statistics favouring certain denominations of the population for anything... “Oh, there was a convenience store robbery in a large metropolitan center, go round up some black people for questioning because 70 some odd percent of those small-time crooks tend to be black apparently�... but it sets a fairly disturbing precedent.
“ Yeah twix_182 since you and Melvs know your history so well.. Where and when did it all start? It all started many many many years ago Jews vs. Muslims or Christianity Vs. Islam. If you can not understand where this is going then you are complete moron.�
-Kingshit
Digging yourself quite the hole, here... are you seriously suggesting that Al Qaeda gets together on weekends to break out their European history textbooks? No, this is anot a matter of Islam vs. Christianity, it’s a matter of indoctrination (on both sides, but I’m talking about the Muslim world here) whereby they’ve been taught their entire lives that the west is evil because they exploit and destroy. Are they right? Who the hell cares, they’re still blowing nice innocent Americans up and need to die. I’m not debating that point. But when you make a Holy Biblical Crusade out of this relationship you’re making an ass of yourself and setting up a dangerous mindset. Worse still, you’re subscribing to absolutes... does a historical relationship play a role in the attitudes that extremists have towards the west? Absolutely. Is it the underlying premise on which their entire belief structure is based? That’s up for debate. Is it “all we need to know�? Ridiculous, there are ALWAYS multiple causes and multiple explanations and your attempt to boil this down into an oversimplification exposes you as a simpleton yourself... not that that was a tough conclusion to reach given the rest of the crap you’ve posted in here.
“ im not racist or whatever, but it seems muslims have a real problem with everyone who is not muslim.�
-Stowebum
It seems to me that some of you have a real problem with anyone who IS muslim... aren’t we westerners supposed to be the “enlightened, rational ones�? So much for THAT theory.
“ Cutting peoples heads off and praising Allah is fighting for freedom from the western world? Blowing up innocent people in other countries is also fighting for freedom.�
-Kingshit
Uh, yes, it’s one method. A really crazy method, but a method nonetheless. And if you’re against blowing up innocent people in other countries, you might want to break out the good stationary and whip up a letter to the White House, because apparently they didn’t get that memo yet.
“ immona blow upany motherfucka who wants to blow me up before they can do it. what we should do is start an empire like rome and take over the entire middle east cause thier culture doesnt work. its completly based on war and suppresion of women because thats its history. fuck them i say we take it for ourselves and set up beaches and shit. latin america hasnt bombed nyhting since the europeans took that over and that was the fucking 15hundreds�
-PeterTosh
We’ll call this exhibit A as to why ski companies make a point of telling their riders not to post anything even mildly inflammatory on this website. 9W, put a farkin’ leash on this kid already.
“It's our fault trying to give people in our country equal rights, treating women with respect and not like they are dogs. Allowing people to do what they want with their lifes and not being dictated upon them.�
-Kingshit
Yeah, I bet it’s that that’s really steaming their clams over there... not all the bombing, economic hegemon activity and subtle manipulation over the last, say, 50 years, because that’s peanuts to those people. They just can’t stand that our women don’t have cloths on their faces. You’re a genius, I’m nominating you for a Nobel as we speak.
“ How can you even compare the two? Holy shit you people are fucked in the head.�
-Kingshit
Dead innocent people are dead innocent people? It’s not like one of ours is worth 10 of theirs... is it?
“Off hand I think it could very well be a Muslim fundamentalist group. But there is indeed a possibility of another party. That’s just my gut feeling and none of us will be certain who did it for a while.�
-Quinny
Probably is. They need to die, too, just to be clear here. I have no issue with the asumption that this is an Al Qaeda linked group; usually when AQ takes responsibility for something it ends up being linked to them somehow.
“ Open your eyes. The cesspool of al Qaida is not fighting the US...they are fighting the ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD. The United Kingdom is as much apart of the world as the United States. GB is a primarily Christian country too. Many other nations have suffered terrorist attacks. Read a damn history book.�
-Quinny
I think what you should be telling him to read is Huntington... I highly suggest everyone do so, I know I sure got a laugh out of it. At any rate, these people are not “fighting the western world�, that again is an oversimplification. There are many motives for each individual attack and the diverse groups responsible for these sorts of actions should not be referred to as if they’re a unified body bent on destroying us all. They are in fact massively fragmented and more often at odds with each other than with us, so suggesting that an “Us versus them� mentality is the way to go here is really pretty foolish. The relationship is much more complicated.
“ Terrorists are the lowest forms of life on this planet. They don’t fucking discriminate who they kill. Whether it’s the Iraqi insurgents, Timothy McVeigh, or that piece of shit bin Laden. They’ll murderer innocent people for their sick little voices to be heard. It doesn’t matter if their American, politicians, solders, or even their own fucking people. Life has no value to these animals. They deserve no treatment that is considered just for human beings. They are worth less than that.�
-Quinny
That rings like propaganda in my ears, for one simple reason: there’s a lot of truth to it. It’s still extremely manipulative, though... we shouldn’t be encouraging a perspective of hate even for groups that deserve it because rabid mob-mentalities are the inevitable result of that strategy. Terrorists are individually subject to an analysis much as any criminal or psychopath is and shouldn’t be classified as animals in the way you’re implying, because they’re not all “beasts with no respect for life whose sole motive is destruction.� ... they have a (pretty screwed up) thought process, logical reasoning, and susceptibility to persuasion and manipulation by authority figures just as we do. These people are a threat and need to be stopped, but the way we depict them can either help us in achieving that or represent an extremely dangerous element in our efforts to stop them.
“ Anybody who even thinks of sympathizing with them are also scum, and as far as I’m concord, can rot with them.�
-Quinny again
This kind of scares me because it’s a precursor to lumping everyone who looks at terrorism from a non-absolute, non-oversimplified viewpoint as “sympathizers�. Don’t get me wrong, I still say kill them all, I just think your way of looking at this is horribly wrong and a bit frightening.
“ fuck off asshole�
“ you have no right to call anyone ignorant and shit when ur from fuckin new zealand when the only thing news worthy is a firefighter rescued a cat out of a fuckin tree�
“ hahaha- yeah fat tim you fuckin asshole you just got owned�
-Stowebum
He’s smarter than you are. Much, much smarter. I can’t really effectively express how stupid you look right now. If that causes you discomfort, go cry about it, but don’t ever post again.
“ Sure, Terrorism is a minor problem, but its the one that affects us, directly. I hate to be selfish, but its human nature.�
-Tweaks_rock_me
I have to disagree with you, I’m of the opinion that any decent person is in some way altruistic and if you can get over certain arbitrary bonds you may feel towards people of the same level of wealth and education as you are you’d probably feel as much sympathy for the poverty stricken African people as you do for anyone else. That’s the real holier than thou attitude here, the assumption that it’s “just human nature� not to care about dying people in the third world. Perspective is a very important thing to maintain.
“With 6 billion people in the world I find it hard that the 100 percent will ever be fully content withstanding the fact that our population is only rising quickly. The real things Africans need is birth control and a more sane method of reproduction. Feeding hungry people will only make more and more hungry people. In 100 year Africas population will be 16 times greater, are western cultures making them fuck like Rabbits?�
-Ski-hobo
Touche, but this is hardly a reason to discard them... as a matter of fact much of the problem is a societal tendency towards the assumptions that a) I’m not going to live that long anyway, who cares about aids, b) Using protection is a socially unacceptable practice and I feel ashamed, and c) all this birth control stuff is too troublesome and expensive because it costs money i could be spending on food and it isn’t readily available to me. A, B, and C can be influenced should emphasis and a whoooooole lot of money be put into them. It’s just not a priority right now because it doesn’t have the immediate public effect of a couple of buildings falling down, understandably enough. If it ever did we could do something about it and hopefully the population crisis simultaneously. It would just take a ridiculous amount of resources that no one’s willing to commit right now. Possibly ever.
“ ^ Shows what kind of man Tony Blair is I guess by not doing what he truly believes in. Instead like you said he is just a puppet who gets pressured into things. Great leader you got there. “
-Kingshit
If a leader “does what he believes in� to the extent that those beliefs cause more harm than good to his nation and people, I’d be inclined to call him a worse leader. It’d be like a bus driver who very firmly and authoritatively drives himself and his passengers off a clliff. In fact, many leaders are forced by global pressures to take actions that they don’t believe in... that’s just life.
Great thread, would read again, A+++++++++
I’m out again. Keep the thread going, it really is one of the better ones in a while.
