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Presidential Address on the War

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Sharpy
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Jun 28 2005 6:43PM
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Sharpy
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When Bush is saying how much the US and world has led Iraq into freedom, peace, and prosperity, allI want to know is why Iraq? Why didn't the US go to help hundreds of thousands of people being massacred in Rwanda several years ago? Why doesn't the US and the world send aid to the Burmese, who are being slaughtered and tortured in the hundreds each day.

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Jun 28 2005 6:54PM
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-AR_Seven-
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I really, really like the idea of applying a justification to a war ex post facto. It just gives me a tingle when I think of how short the average yankee's attention span must be that it could POSSIBLY work... and yet, it does, and very well.

Jun 28 2005 6:57PM
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wtf! i want normal tv!




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Jun 28 2005 6:58PM
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Case in point...

Jun 28 2005 7:01PM
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bermbuster49
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because we would probably get hasled by democrats protesting this or that haha, but no seriously, i think its like a one at a time thing and there was a lot of attension put on the middle east after 9/11, so they probably saw people getting killed and said fuck that lets do something. if more attension was called to the places that you mentioned above (that i have never heard of before in my life) maybe they would do something.

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jun 28 2005 7:26PM
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Sharpy
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exactly, so the US doesn't really care

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Jun 28 2005 7:35PM
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bermbuster I hate your stupid Republican ass, and it is fair to call you stupid.



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Jun 28 2005 7:42PM
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Al_Smith
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If the US decided to pull everyone back now, then that would be not caring.

Jun 28 2005 7:42PM
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Jun 28 2005 7:43PM
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Alpine3
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lol here we go again dude..........haha

Jun 28 2005 7:46PM
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estaked
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hmmmm we dont care eh... heh i dont wanna get into but yea i think u need to rethink that response

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Jun 28 2005 8:14PM
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bermbuster49
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hahah i know it feels like we've had a thread like this before

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jun 28 2005 8:14PM
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I agree, but as a "Yankee" I know my attention span is longer that what you are speaking about.

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Jun 28 2005 10:01PM
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Could someone please post a link to a vid or transcript of the speech?

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Jun 28 2005 10:03PM
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i believe its like this. liberals are anti-war, since bush is obviously republican and waged war on iraq, the democrats are a bit upset about this. so they decide the use the media as a nice output to hinder bushs plan. so they put everything bad about iraq in the news and in magazines. i hav'nt seen an article about the hospitals and schools that the gov't funded and built or that the citizens were actually glad they were able to vote for once. they would extend their fingers that they used for the vote (its a stamp like thing ink would be on their finger) as soldiers passed by. never seen a positive article anywhere, besides in conservative press and talk radio. i guess thats what happens when you didnt want to see your opponent win.



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Jun 28 2005 10:12PM
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word i agree fully

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Jun 28 2005 10:36PM
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ItsPhil
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US cant pull out because we have become too involved

Jun 28 2005 10:38PM
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because helping in Rwanda wouldn't be beneficial to us.

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Jun 28 2005 10:50PM
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^exactly, iraq has oil which america needs alot of

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Jun 28 2005 10:55PM
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I liked the part when he called all of the middle eastern countries barbaric and war-natured...and how they were no match for the fine young men and women of america's army


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Jun 28 2005 11:05PM
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Sharpy
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you've never seen an article that supports the war except in conservative media? That leaves liberal media, which doesn't support the war. You are very observant (sarcasm). Either that or I am missing something. You also missed the point. I am not against the US helping Iraq build hospitals and schools, but why Iraq, why not the other countries that are even more in need, but would require a lot less money. You'd think those countries would be better for the US to "help". US wanted oil and a military base in the heart of the middle east that they could use as a front for further attacks into the "part of the world, that if controlled, will bring the controlling state/person, great amounts of power and wealth".

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Jun 29 2005 9:22AM
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-AR_Seven-
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Really? Because for days after that whole cheesy bit of publicity whereby congress dipped their fingers in ink to "show solidarity" with Iraqis (what a joke, maybe try living in a pile of rubble for a while and then claim to be showing solidarity you rich white dorks), it was all over cable news networks. I think your problem, basically, is that bad news sells better. The political agenda doesn't matter, what matters is that there are explosions and death, and for some reason that appeals to people.

Jun 29 2005 9:40AM
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A lot of you people don’t realize that it’s all about best interest. That the whole reason why the Democrats and Republicans are so polarized on this issue is because differences in interest. The Republicans believe that we can gain something by being in Iraq. The Democrats believe that little can be gained by being in Iraq.

Why do you think the French and German governments where so opposed to the US being there in the first place? Because they had economic interest there.

Why do you think we went into Iraq in the first place? There is a list of reasons. An outcome in the US’s favor would greatly benefit them. In all honesty, the only reason I think this country even gives the region a second thought is because it its strategic value.

One example, Money.

This kind of operation (Iraq) is an expensive undertaking, and politicians are not likely to throw around money unless they can get some in return. Politicians are not ones to throw money away. That excludes no one.

The thing is the dominant liberals in this county want the US to be isolationist. That’s why all of this “cut and run� nonsense has been thrown around by elites like Dean and Kennedy. This is because they believe it will cut the counties losses in $$$ by staying out of other peoples business.

The conservative general philosophy on this issue is nothing ventured nothing gained. People like Bush believe that we can get some $$$ back for getting into Iraq, and as a great bonus, liberated a people from a bad government and spread democracy for future economic trade.

There are certainly more factors, but this is one of the dominants. That’s as simple as I can put a very complex situation.

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Jun 29 2005 9:47AM
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When does anybody want their opponent to win? Isn't that the point of competing against them?





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Jun 29 2005 9:50AM
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that is exactly how it works. It is frustrating though that the government throws up a smokescreen and confuses and lies to the public in order to achieve their goals. An honest government would be nice.

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Jun 29 2005 9:52AM
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have you ever farted and a little poop came out and you blamed yourself for making a poor decision?






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Jun 29 2005 10:01AM
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The Shart.





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Jun 29 2005 10:10AM
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An honest government would be nice. This is part of the problem with public opinion. Many think it’s always good vs. bad (hell, look at all the kinds of idiots this forum attracts). Benefit, and benefit alone, is the key motive for anything. “That’s what makes the world go ‘round.�

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Jun 29 2005 10:12AM
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You know, there is some good info in here, but I still think the best phrase about war has been from System of A Down, of all places. There is a great divide on though in the US over Iraq, some people believe its justified other do not. However, The line SOAD has, "why don't presidents fight the war?". Back in early times, the title Commander in Cheif was not only a "hands-off" position. If Bush believe's so strongly in this war, why isn't he more involved personally.

The propaganda that has been thrown by both sides is so blinding that I no longer really pay any attention to reports on the news, its all crap anyways. What I want to see/hear is action, not politicains bickering, not political propaganda, not religious rhetoric, etc. I want to see people who "believe" in this action being involved and not just sending more troops and dog-earing more and more money. Hell, we STILL have no exit strategy.

If this sounds like a Democrat ramble, well, I basically am a democrat, however, I will be the first to admit, had McCain run for president (Republican) I would have voted for him. I just think it'll be interesting if at the end of Bush's term, we are still in Iraq I would be willing to bet McCain will get teh nod from the Republican party to run for President.

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Jun 29 2005 10:14AM
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A good moderate republican is basically the same as a good moderate democrat. They have somewhat different beliefs, but they accept everything. McCain for example. The problem is the more extreme liberl and conservative candidates. The more moderates would make everybody happier.





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Jun 29 2005 10:18AM
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I used to think the same about McCain myself. But the more I hear from him now, the more I see him drifting to the far left on some issues. Guantanamo for one example. I’m hoping both parties can muster someone less bi-polar for 2008.

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Jun 29 2005 10:25AM
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^^ Good call, but he's still more moderate than bush or kerry.





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That wouldn't work though obviously.
.. think of this as a whispering voice, like a gameplan. "Hey Americans, here's the plan.. we're going to go in to this country, blow the shit out of it, make sure that companies that my friends own become in charge of the rebuilding effort to save the crude oil that will help keep this country afloat because without it, we're fucked."

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Jun 29 2005 10:35AM
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Video and Transcript here:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050628-7.html

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Jun 29 2005 10:41AM
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bermbuster49
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yeah exactly, so is it wrong that we are going to help some people and find another benefit is that we might get oil? thats like saying its wrong to work at a grocery store helping old people put thier bags in their car and get like 15% off of the grocerys when you need them. its fucking life, you damn democrats just dont like war and try to make up the fucking dumbest points of why we are there and why we are fucking up.

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jun 29 2005 11:50AM
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Sharpy
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then say its for the oil and helping people is a side benefit, don't say it's all about helping people and then deny that oil was even a factor.

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Jun 29 2005 11:52AM
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Jun 29 2005 12:01PM
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bermbuster49
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maaan i had this badass huge post typed up and then someone imed me and then i come back to it and the page refreshed and i lost it....god damn i hate that.

-kulpy-

gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jun 29 2005 12:16PM
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bermbuster49
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can you imagine the storms of protestors yelling "wtf we went there for oil?!?!?!", they are anti war already, what do you think would happen if we said "o yeah we went for oil, and helping out the country was just a good thing to do while we were over there.

-kulpy-

gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jun 29 2005 12:19PM
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Sharpy
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there would be protestors because the government would be doing what the majority does not want. What is a democracy? Is it a government that lies to its people so that it can go against the majority in order to make more personal wealth for it's members? I find it pretty ironic that in the same breath, a republican can state that it is good we are bringing democracy to the middle east and also state that it is good for the government to lie to its people so that it can go against the majority.

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Jun 29 2005 1:06PM
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Quinny
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Remember to keep in mind that money isn’t the only reason for obtaining oil. It’s the lifeblood of the world’s economy. It keeps factories producing, car running, hoses heated, and streets lit to name a few.

Also keep in mind that the majority (I’m going on a limb and assuming you mean general public) doesn’t always know what is best. I know that sounds bad, but lets take an example in WWI. The peak of nationalism inspired many Germans to fight for what was a malicious government cause. Citizens didn’t think what they where doing was bad, and they certainly weren’t bad people. They were misguided because of not possessing proper knowledge of the situation at hand. I know that it’s a rough example with numerous different elements, but the details are beside my point. Prohibition could be another rough example.

The majority can be right, but they can also be wrong. It is a leaders duty to do what is best for the group, America in this case. There is a faith that must be placed in the government, naturally only to a certain extent. If the people feel they are being mislead, they have the ability to make change, and that is what democracy is founded on. If you feel wronged, you have the ability to do something about it.

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Jun 29 2005 1:45PM
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Sharpy
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it is a tyrants duty to do what is in the best interest of the people. It is a democracies duty to do what the majority want. I'm not sure if you know how a democracy works, but it is when a government in voted into power that the majority believe will represent their interests best. When a government lies to its people about what it is doing and why, it is undercutting the basic foundations of democracy, no matter how good the intentions.

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Jun 29 2005 1:59PM
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bermbuster49
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so say if the majority of the people wanted to get us all killed would you do it? the goverment knows what they are doing.

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jun 29 2005 2:01PM
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bermbuster49
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^that was like, saying if you were in the government, and the majority of the people wanted to fuck over the nation because they are stupid, would you go with the majority or would you do whats right and will help our nation in the long run.

-kulpy-

gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jun 29 2005 2:02PM
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Sharpy
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I amdit tyranny is in my opinion, the best form of government. But it requires the perfect leader. Do to human nature, I do not believe it is possible to find a leader who would be capable of managing a tyrannical state. If you believe that the present governement is capable of making choices based upon their own opinions and wants, instead of looking at what the people of the country want, then you are greatly naive. This govenrment of the US looks for itself. The president, his cabinet, the congress, the vast majority put themselves before their country and their people.

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Jun 29 2005 2:02PM
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bermbuster49
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maaan not more majority bullshit hahaha

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gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jun 29 2005 2:04PM
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Sharpy
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so you do not believe in democracy?

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Jun 29 2005 2:04PM
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bermbuster49
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alright, well the MAJORITY of dumbass regular joe american people dont know whats going on. so who would you rather make decicions? the stupid people or smarter goverment people who have worked on this stuff for a long time? its a no brainer.

-kulpy-

gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
Jun 29 2005 2:05PM
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Sharpy
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this majority of dumbass americans are who voted in the present government.

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Jun 29 2005 2:07PM
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bermbuster49
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democracy has its ups and downs haha.

-kulpy-

gangsta raps lyrics are all the same, Someone gets shot, someones frontin, someones a wangsta, someones benchpressin, someones makin fried chicken, and the beans dont burn on the grill. You can see that shit in kentucky. Fuck the bronx, deep south bitches-scientist
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