Freedom Tower? Or something else

how ridiculous. why do those silly americans think the world is out to get them?


stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

-Justin
(dfp represent)


keep it real.

why would you name it the 'freedom' tower i mean... that's ridiculous.


stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

-Justin
(dfp represent)


keep it real.

We should build the tallest building in the world there in place of the WTC




To love the times we have
To like what makes us sad
To live when others die
To lose and say goodbye
To last until our moment comes

we didn't vote for the name you fuckin tard, the architect isn't even American I don't think.






"When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve."

yeah i bet you're right. probably the russians or chinese named it.


stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

-Justin
(dfp represent)


keep it real.

i watched a video the other day, 911 in plane sight, or something like that. it was crazy, talking about how the government planned 911. pretty out there.

"You know, I'm sick of following my dreams man. I'm just gonna ask them where they're going, and hook up with them later." R.I.P. Mitch Hedberg

^in order to belive that, you would have to belive that A LOT of people are in on it, and all of them have so far kept their mouth shut. They would all have to be absolute souless monsters and I find that quite unprobable.






"When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve."

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it seems like this stage of life for a lot of people around our age is like when you are playing a video game and you beat the Final Boss, only to find out that was just a decoy Final Boss and the real Final Boss

im sorry

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it seems like this stage of life for a lot of people around our age is like when you are playing a video game and you beat the Final Boss, only to find out that was just a decoy Final Boss and the real Final Boss

HAHAHAHAHAHHA THATS AN AWSOME PICTURE.


fucken 9/11 porn......

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that seems like it would be such a prime target for terrorists

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LINE KICKS ASS

If alot of people were involved, do you think that they would come forward knowing the consequences of reveiling themselves? they would probaly end up dead befor they could say 2 words, they would be quickly forgoten and very little media atention would be given to them. If they did get their story out into public view, what would the american people do to them?

Its a tactic of secrecy thats used in ever criminal orginization. For example, you go and rape someone with the orginization, and then kill the victim and you do it as a gorup. This way you all have a criminal experience in common and no one would dare speak out against the others for fear of their own well being. Its a way of creating trust and control. The next time they want you to do something, be it kill, rob, or threaten someone, your going to do it just so you dont go to jail.

The fact of the matter is that the entire government needs to be envolved in the plot. only a select few high up. Read the Northwoods Document if you dont belive me. you can find it with a simple internet search. You will be astonished with what your government would have done to thier citizans just to start a war with cuba and the soviet union.

If you want still more proff about many peoples involvment you need only look at the lies which are told. For example, the lie that the government didnt have prior knowalge. The us government was warned by the Tellaban that Osama was going to do something drastic and that they needed to stop him, (They told the governemnt this 2 months in advance) and that that they needed to stop them. CNN reported on a senario very similar to the happenings of 9/11 in 1995. Also, the French, Birtish, Egyptians, Ittalians, Russians, The isralies, the Indians... all warned the US that it was going to happen. They knew. So why all the lies? that seems really suspicios to me.

I think that the ultimate proof of this lie is that NORAD on the morning of 911 was running drills of hijacked planes flying into the world trade center and the pentagon. If your sestna goes of course for 5 minutes, there are going to be 2 f-16 fighters escorting you for fear of a hijacker. yet they could do nothing about 4 planes. Actually, they could, but someone came forward from inside the pentagon (one of those people who dont get the media coverage that they need) and said that the reason why fighter jets couldnt make it intime was becasue they were told they couldnt fly faster than 300mph. They could have cought up and stoped the plane form hitting the pentagon and the second tower. maybe even the first. This person also said that the 4th plane was shot down because a general dissobayed his orders. it wasnt because of an on board fight between passangers and the hijackers like the media said.

Do some reading on the subject, read the articles that arnt in the mainstreem media. the things that never make it to CNN (who during the 911 period brought retired army generals onto thier station, as if their opinion was at all fair or unbiased) or FOX. But for the most compelling evidence that something like 911 is not beyond the conception of your government read the now declassified "Northwoods document"

Also, i find it quite ironic that you say "souless" do some research and youll understand why.

Like a virgin on promnight!

-Thom Savery
please pardon the cacography
.C.C.R..P.P.P.

'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

Hahahah. That post is pretty funny stuff. Conspiracy theorists are awesome.

YOU LOVE IT

again, nice work thom.
but again on the subject of the tower:
it will be 1776 feet tall, the height corresponding to the declaration of Independance on the 4th of July 1776, therefore justifying the name "Freedom Tower". also, as the symbol that is the statue of liberty, welcoming the new immigrants to the land of freedom is this tower, that will be the highest total height i think. the petronas towers have more floor space, and taipei 101 is the highest with offices all the way pretty much to the top. i think, im not sure. but it supposed to be the highest tower in the world.


- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

Correction: By "The fact of the matter is that the entire government needs to be envolved in the plot." i had meant to say "The fact of the matter is that the entire government DOSEN'T needs to be envolved in the plot."

I think that will make more sence now.

Like a virgin on promnight!

-Thom Savery
please pardon the cacography
.C.C.R..P.P.P.

'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

CN tower is 1800 feet tall, and then some. Soon to be the 2nd tallest however as Russia is renevating the Ostianko (sp) Tower to me a little bit taller than the CN tower.






"When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve."

Apple, props for putting so much thought into that, but honestly, there are millions of people in the middle east that hate America. They protest all of the time, burning American flags and saying "death to the great satan", and many of them are more than willing to die for their cause. It isn't like no one took responsibility for it, Al Queda came right out and said that they did it. Are we supposed to believe that the middle eastern highjackers would willingly die for an American cause and that Al Queda is funded by the US government, and that Bin Laden is an agent? Bin Laden has hundreds of thousands of followers that he tells to wage holy war on the U.S., so he is doing this as a cover up? I don't think so. There are a few million fundamentalist muslims who want nothing more than to kill Americans. it makes much more sense that they are the ones behind it.




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To like what makes us sad
To live when others die
To lose and say goodbye
To last until our moment comes

Something has to be put there to remember all those people.

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To love the times we have
To like what makes us sad
To live when others die
To lose and say goodbye
To last until our moment comes

yah, there are alot of people who do hate america. They hate it because of its capitalist ways, The do not however, hate americains because of their freedom. Al-quada did comeforward to take responsibility, but so did 12 other terrorist orginizations. Why is it that Binladin was instiantly declared the one behind that. I mean, if your hate american capitalism, and someone does shit like that, your going to want to take the credit if you can. but you dont hear about any of the other groups in the media. Its all focoused on Binladen.

Did you know that Bin laden was a CIA tacticion, trained by the CIA. Did you know in 1998 He was in a CIA hospital getting dialisos (sp?) while he was top ten most wanted for the FBI. Did you know that between 1989-1992 the US government gave Alquada 6 billion dollars in cash and wepons?

I personaly belive that there are far to many comonalities and concidences for there not to have been somekinda huge government coverup. There may not be enough evidence to prove that the governemnt planed the events, but there are certianly alot of questions that need to be answered that arnt being answered, but instead pushed aside and lied about. There is more than enough evidence to prove that the Governemt is lieing to its people, and to me thats the biggest problem off all. What happens when a contry can no longer belive its own government?



Like a virgin on promnight!

-Thom Savery
please pardon the cacography
.C.C.R..P.P.P.

'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

, that's what you tried to post..


stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

-Justin
(dfp represent)


keep it real.

conspiracy theorys are easy to latch onto because we as people enjoy that kind of thing. however since people are so interested in believe a conspiracy theory, they often tend to WANT to believe in it so they push crucial evidence aside and look for small inconsistancies in the original story and exploit them. are there inconsistancies? yes. do they all link together to prove that the government is behind all of this? not yet. there is far too much proof that osama b and the taliban is behind it all as it was orginally reported. if it was the government, i think the it would have unraveled already and there would be a much less solid cover up story (the one everyone believes). its obvious u know more about it than i don and u have done more research but it is a very intreaguing idea.

the gunshot holds no fear

haha i knew apple would get into this. interesting stuff there.


I'll find it, but I won't kill it. Now, what about my dynamite?

Not really. The pilot of the engola gay or w/e has no problems about dropping a nuke on japan. Its not like killing 2000 people is that big of a deal if your not there to witness it. faces are meaningful, numbers are not.


'Its pretty sad when your penis is longer than the amount of air these little kids are bragging about.'

so with your theory that the US funded the attacks on 911, what exactly did the US government gain from it??????

i must be missing something because we went to war, were losing a shitload of money, were losing trooops and pissed off a lot of people and countries in the process. ya sounds like that was the governments plan.

i dont think its being dickish looking into conspiracy theories. no one says you have to believe them or that they're the truth but it's important to consider other possibilities. would it be better if people accepted whatever they are told instead of looking into it and trying to find the truth for themselves?


I'll find it, but I won't kill it. Now, what about my dynamite?

Back in the 90s during the gulf war, there were some radical conservatives who said that there would have to be an event similar to pearl harbor in order to invade Iraq. Now, I'm not saying that the government was behind 9-11, but it was exactly what they needed in order to invade Iraq.


I'll find it, but I won't kill it. Now, what about my dynamite?

i dont buy into the theory that US funded it but we def knew about it and chose to be ignorant. why? becuase look at what bush and his faggot friends are trying to accomplish. Iraq was on the shelf of things to get too and bush needed 911 because remeber how patriotic we were right afterwards? yea he needed that support. Bush and the govnt were aweful cavilier with 3000 peoples lives but its all political. and to the kid who said those who buy into conspiracy theory are dicks, if ur wife/sybling/loved one died, wouldnt u wanna know who was at fault? i know i would

the gunshot holds no fear

wow i just got beat to the post by that will kid. good views he has

the gunshot holds no fear

thank you. i like yours as well


I'll find it, but I won't kill it. Now, what about my dynamite?

Parkskiertmr, Dude, I hope to god i am wrong. don't get me wrong, I don't want to be right about this. I actually like it more when someone can prove me wrong than when they cant come up with a rebuttal to the evidence. And you are right, Conspiracy theories are easy to latch onto because they are interesting and against popular opinion. But its also works the other way as well. Believing everything that the government tells you and everything that you see on biased media broadcasts is just as dangerous. I would love it if you could show me some of this over whelming evidence that says Ossama Bin-laden is the ultimate mastermind of this plot.
Stowebum, please tell me how the United States military is any better is any more justified in their killing of innocent civilians in Iraq. Please, please explain to me how using stealth bombers, which fly too high to be touched by the shitty weapons that the people or Iraq have, to drop incindiary bombs ( a bomb which sprays a petroleum gel in the air above the target, which is normally a village, and then ignites it as it hits the ground. Burning anyone alive who is un its fall out area and anyone who was inside a house and might have been from the intense heat would die shortly after of asphyxiation because the fire has burned all the oxygen. No one escapes these bombs.) on women and children is any more justified than flying a plane into a building. Tell me how the tens of thousands of lives lost by innocent people in Iraq is equal to the few thousand lost on 9/11. Please explain to me who forcing the people of a country to live every day in fear of your familys life, not to mention your own makes us any better than the terrorists we are trying to find. I say trying to find because in Iraq, to date, ZERO terrorists have been found. In America to date, ZERO terrorists have been apprehended and convicted of any illegal activity. In Brittan, 2 terrorists have been convited. One because he had a copy of some Islamic literature and the other because he bought some clothing from a tellaban training camp. Don't give me this “we are justified in our actions because they gave us a pinch� crap because we have done far worse to them. We have beaten them to a pulp and raped them of their culture because it was convent for us and it made us feel warm and fuzzy inside. I don't care if they have radical views, I know for a fact that they love their wives, children, parents, brothers and sisters as much as we love ours.

Madtrix(insert number here), The government didn't gain anything from it, but the people who run the government are also the CEO's and presidents of the companies who got the contracts to build the weapons and to rebuild the infrastructure inside Iraq. The governments gained nothing, the people who run the government gained billions of dollars. To see what was gained, you just have to follow the money. If you can accept that these men were behind the attacks, then what do they care about their own people? They are getting richer, they have no problems taxing the average American more to cover the costs. If they really cared about the American people they would have spent those billions of dollars on social programs to help get ride of poverty inside America. They would concentrate on their own problems before they tried to take on the worlds.

Finally, Will(insert number here), I believe that the direct quote from those radical conservatives was “HELPFUL pearl harbor like events� which just makes it all the more disgusting.

Like a virgin on promnight!

-Thom Savery
please pardon the cacography
.C.C.R..P.P.P.

'naahhmahhnahh
hahhh ... i mean ... the weekend of monday'
"go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself"
"I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"

whatever the ends up looking like, or ends up being called, there should be a giant banner on the top saying 'NO FLY ZONE'


stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

-Justin
(dfp represent)


keep it real.

It's simple. The US government, with George Bush as it's frontman killed thousands of it's own people and waged a war; even though it is the most difficult decision for any president to make - as the effects will be forever felt by the nation. All of this is so that the US government could legitimize a reason to take over Iraq for it's oil supply.

Makes perfect sense to me. Although, personally, I think it would be a hell of alot easier to send a few hundred select military specialists over to Iraq. Disguise them as troops from some neighboring country who Iraq considers hostile, and rob them blind.

the word "freedom" has become the the ultimate one-word cliche.



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Only in my sweetest dreams do my streams lack troubled waters, shallow pools full of shallow fools...

they may take away our lives, but they will never take our FREEDOM!

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it seems like this stage of life for a lot of people around our age is like when you are playing a video game and you beat the Final Boss, only to find out that was just a decoy Final Boss and the real Final Boss

apple that was a very, very good post. i'm really impressed


I'll find it, but I won't kill it. Now, what about my dynamite?

The freedom tower sucks. It shouldn't be 1776 ft tall. It should be at least 2,000. They should just rebuild the towers they were before, except make them taller, and make them looks better. They need to change the design a little bit more and they could use some nice greenish glass and more architectual features to the building. They should make the base and plaza nicer with more building, parks and crap like that. It should def be the tallest in the wrold, and not the tallest for a year or two, only to be surrpassed by some chinese guy in shanghai. I want to show the terrorsits that they suck and were better.

i cant take him[liam downey] seriously cuz his name reminds me of that downy bear from back when i was a kid -d loc

Imagine the ns outcry if u(lateralis) were banned. There would be countless threads and petitions to bring u back, it would be like when treadway got banned from whistler. Someone would probably make and sell 'Free Lateralis' stickers and shit. -j

wow conspiracy therories, that sounds like a load of bullshit to me. So bush wanted to kill 3,000 inocent people? i dont think so, he isnt fucking hitler here hes our president, and he wouldnt do it to get more support cas he would have raped kerry anyway. it just sounds impossible, yeah there might be the slightest possibility but thats not enough to base your opinions off it. and what is this "we didnt find any terrorists in iraq" bullshit, are you kidding me? you throw a stone and it will probably hit a terrorist over there. (sarcasm) but i can assure you we have found some terrorists, they might not have been connected to 9/11, but they were still terrorists.

hell, while we are blaming this on the president we might as well blame it on fucking microsoft for making such a good flight simulator, that is what the iraqis learned to fly on.

god bless everyone who lost thier lives, it sucks no matter why or how it happend, but its in the past, so lets focus on the future.

-kulpy-

vincepru-"i jibbed a car in a parking lot yester day and the bumper fell off, then i ran."

hate to say it but its so true, they destroyed the buildings, so lets build bigger ones that are made out of glass so they can do it again just this time itl be easier to kill more people

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breaking up with a boyfriend in your case due to his flacid penis and your shrivled up vag is like a old couple breaking up becuase the old woman doesnt want to go to bingo on saturday night and the old man does. its simply nonsense-EastCoastAR5

its more of a way of saying, "what now bitch, we still ontop motha fucka's", but i am still thinking we should do the hand giving the middle finger thing.

-kulpy-

vincepru-"i jibbed a car in a parking lot yester day and the bumper fell off, then i ran."

hahah wow wow wow.... lol

there are actually people out there that believe that the government planned 9/11??

haha if so please say you do or don't so i can either think you are a complete retard or think that you use common sense... haha

CONSPIRICY THEORY MY ASS!!! haha.. god.. jsut more excuses as to how "bad" of a job our president is doing in office...

god damnit give it up... the elections over.. and obviously more people believe that this man best suites the job needed by him... GEEZZZZ

that disproves nothing about this other theory you realise Alpine3. Just by calling all the others that don't agree with you retarded in no way makes it any less true. I personally am having more and more doubts about no government involvement, and it has alot to do with well argumented cases brought on by people who actually have questions that need to be answered.

Like Apple said, i hope that this isn't true, that the government ordered the assassination of 3000 innocent people to justify war, but it seems to be the logical conculsion given the inconsistencies about the happenings that day. Im sure we are being lied to, or at least not told the whole truth, just how far we are in the dark remains to be seen.

by the way, a consiparcy theory means there is no evidence for it, and it is just speculation. However, once there is some kind of evidence for it, be it superficial or meaningless, stupid and moronic, it nonetheless becomes a possibility. so try not to dismiss anything you don't agree with that goes against authority as a conspiracy theory. I think apple and others have made a pretty good case out of it. a great deal of speculation needs to be done, because we/he. whoever doesn't know all about it, but you can deduce certain things given some proof, and that makes it a possibility.

so if you are going to disagree and say that we/he/whoever you are talking to is wrong, at least come up with a counter argument or disprove what he has said, instead of just insulting the persons intellect for not agreeing with you. everyone knows bush won the re election, this is not what we are talking about. there are some answers to be given to a certain amount of questions about the happening of 9 11, and some inconsistencies cannot be ignored. what i would like is some proof against this. i really do. this has nothing to do with bushs re election anymore, its unnanswered questions that are fueling this kind of discussion.

so please just try to prove your point and disprove someone elses using counter arguments to theirs, and not call people retards and dwell on the past, cookie cutter rebuttles.

good day.


- Patty

*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!

freedom tower. what bs. lets name everything "FREEDOM" and "LIBERTY" as if it will actually change our rights. bah

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Here are some sites I found that try and refute the 911 conspiracy theories. I hope this is better evidence than what other people in this thread have put up that tries to disprove apple's conspiracy theory. As for me I dont know what I believe happened yet.

http://ourworld-top.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm


I'll find it, but I won't kill it. Now, what about my dynamite?

can i ask you something? how is Bush ne better than osama b? hear me out. lets say for the sake of my argument that osama B did attack us and it wasnt the govnt (idk i still dont buy into the govnt theory) . ok so neway, osama b is in afganistan and so is the taliban. then why have over 1000 americans died in vain in IRAQ puttsing around over there trying to catch hussain? do u realize that there were no more US troops in Afganistan than there were in police officers in manhattan at any one time. bush didnt really care about catching osama, he just half assed an effort because he was obligated but he really wanted hussain. there are a number of reasons for this and all of them are for economic gain and human life is more important than wealth.

the gunshot holds no fear

^ so what u think pal.. is that we are better off with Hussain still in power and 1,600 soldiers alive... than hussain out of power and in prison?

They gained the ability to function a legal war against a terrorist organization while actually rounding up the oil reserves and monopolizing territories as they fight off angry insurgents who don't like the fact that americans just invaded there country. I think that that is a more reasonable logic for why they hate america than they just"hate our liberty", as president bush puts it.

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I hope to god all you people honestly dont believe that president bush and the government was behind 911, just as a ploy to get oil and invade iraq. Listen i approve of bush or the government just as much as anyone else but i cannot believe that they would execute nearly 3000 innocent civilians and quite possibly bringing this country to its knees

KISS THE RINGS BITCH!

go to hell. if you live in the us.....just leave now we dont want your kind