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Higher level - Mgmt type jobs in the industry

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sabes35
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I’m 24, and a newly-anointed attorney. Great knowledge of business/taxes/liability issues/E-commerce and internet law. I work for a big firm in Pittsburgh right now. It’s decent there, but I'm looking for ANY WAY I can partner with a shop, resort, or other ski/snowboarding industry company to offer my business and legal background. Problem is, as of yet I’ve found no way to be able to do this. So, does anyone know someone, that knows someone, that knows someone in the industry that might be able to offer some advice or point me in the right direction? I’ll take anything at this point.

Thx much


May 7 2005 2:03AM
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coppersucks
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live at a ski resort.

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May 7 2005 2:23AM
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Shaggy
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would you take it up the ass too?


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May 7 2005 6:42AM
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HSFCpro
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first off i think you would do well talking to start up companys such as some of the new ski or ski pole companys that have surfaced in the last year all the other larger companys and decent resorts already have massive teams of legal staff that most likely far exceed your expierance and expertise. it would be beeter to go through the company or resort its self instead of through friends of friends. good luck

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May 7 2005 12:13PM
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sabes35
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Yea, im def not just starting out, I've been in contact with resorts and some other larger companies for months, but haven't gotten very far. I will look into new companies, I think thats a good idea...do you have any you had in mind? Thanks much.

May 8 2005 12:34PM
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ItsPhil
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that new mountain that just got bought out in new hampshire/maine? i cant remember where but they are turning it into a freestyle mountain you should talk to that dude who bought it

May 8 2005 1:34PM
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LittleJibber16
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^its in NH and its called whaleback, as for companies starting out theres defi skis joystick poles (kind of), and theres a lot more that are a little more well known like liberty and stuff, there was a thread on a new ski pole company recently but i forget what it was called

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May 8 2005 2:18PM
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LittleJibber16
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oh yeah and NewSkool450 is very involved with Defi skis i know, you could try contacting him, but hes just a teenager, but he might know what you need, and the new ski pole company is called Sevenfold Poles here is a URL: http://community.webshots.com/photo/338862279/338862694vywWPe#

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May 8 2005 2:21PM
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BumPskiA
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I think you'd be better off advertising yourself elsewhere. Most of the people on this site are high school kids

May 8 2005 4:02PM
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Melvs
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he also gets paid in stickers by ninthward. He knows nothing that would help you at all.

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May 8 2005 4:07PM
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hendrik.
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he's not as much advertising himself as just trying to get advice. Instead of being an ass, offer something constructive, like:" hey man, props on trying to get your name out...good luck on your search".


back to the topic

Definately look at the smaller companies, the big ones probably are already set. To name a few, liberty, ninthward, armada, line.....

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May 8 2005 4:21PM
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ItsPhil
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depends on if he just wants ski companies though
theres a ton of things you can do with up and coming brands

May 8 2005 4:22PM
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plehouse
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You have to pay your dues in the industry and work you way up. Connections are good, but someone that someone that someone knows is not enough.

The ski industry likes to keep it's people inside. It's like a wheel. What goes around come around.

A good way is to rep brands. Maybe start repping smaller brands not available in your area.

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May 8 2005 4:32PM
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sabes35
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Appreciate it

May 8 2005 6:03PM
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sabes35
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Exactly bro, Intrawest Corp Counsel would be a dream job....I've contacted their top brass personally, as well as applied to several other jobs (albiet non legal), but nothing yet.

May 8 2005 6:04PM
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sabes35
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I agree with you, but I'm just trying to get my foot in the door in the industry. At the same time though, with my law school and college loans, I can't really rationally start at too too low below what my current firm pays me.


PS: for those of you who don't know my story, Im a newbie park skier, but a lifetime snowboarder. So im checking out those companies too.

Thanks again.

May 8 2005 6:11PM
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skodeo7
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One thing you should know is that you not get very far asking for advice from a bunch of high schoolers on an internet forum.

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May 8 2005 6:56PM
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Barmski
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if i were you i woudlnt get involved in the ski industry cause there aint that much money in it to begin with....but whatever.

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May 9 2005 3:24AM
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ItsPhil
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skiing vs. money
hmmmm

May 9 2005 4:45AM
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sabes35
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Evan Dybvig (former olympic mogul skier) is the guy that bought Whaleback. Anyone know him or how to contact him?

Thanks

May 9 2005 10:29PM
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sabes35
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*bump* any other advice out there?

May 12 2005 3:05PM
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h3ofilms
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most companies have lawyers working on staff, or films that specialise in these areas...what did you study? Just cause your a lawyer, doesnt mean your qualified for these jobs (i dont mean that rudely, im just generally asking)

Hard/Soft good companys would use a patent/copyright lawyer, film companys need a lawyer with a strong film/music rights backround. Its all relative.

I dunno how a lawyer would break into skiing, let alone WANT to. Go sue malpractice, im sure its better cash (if your a lawyer, isnt that what your practice is about? money)

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May 12 2005 3:56PM
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sabes35
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Hey bro, im pretty much a generalist at my firm right now, I do litigation, but also draft/amend contract language, liability advising etc. My background from school is mostly in business stuff, like business organizations and formation, tax, intellectual property, corporate finance and securities, internet and E-commerce. Thing is though...you can do a lot of things with a law degree, you learn about business too, so I wasn't necessarily limiting myself to a legal jobs. A lot of my friends are getting into, for example, financial advisor jobs at financial firms. About money....no, Id rather pursue my passion than make a ton of dough, that's just me.

May 12 2005 7:45PM
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Develop
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hey sabes, you said you know a lot about intellectual property? i got this business project for school im workin on where we are designing shave products for men. i'm pretty sure that there is no way to patent the formula, because it is not very unique and others could easily reverse engineer it, but how do you go about protrecting things like trade secrets? we gotta try and draft up a contract, and am unsure about how to protect our formula.

and as for the job in the ski industry, im in a similar boat. i know a few people in the industry, and it sounds like the best way to get into it is simply to move to a ski town. you gotta get on the in, and its pretty damn hard if you don't live there. i could understand the hesitency about not wanting to do that, but if you really are passionate about it, you gotta take the risk.



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May 12 2005 9:09PM
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sabes35
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Develop, I agree with you, a formula can be patented since patents can protect "processes," but a formula is best suited for trade secret protection. To receive trade mark protection for the formula, since the company’s shaving formula is easily considered “commercially valuable,� the key is that you take "reasonable efforts" to show that your trying to keep it secret. I.e. non-disclosure agreements in the company's employee contracts, as well as non-disclosure agreements in any contracts with other companies. If the formula were to become public knowledge, then you would loose your trademark protection. Bottom line, you want to establish a practice that shows a future court (in a potential suit by the company against an infringing person) that you tried to keep it secret, and the infringing person "misappropriated" it. Hope this helps.

May 12 2005 9:41PM
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Durtschi
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can you do a 360?? that could maybe help you out





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May 12 2005 10:37PM
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Develop
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^^word thanks man. that really helps.



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May 12 2005 10:40PM
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sabes35
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np man

May 13 2005 10:51AM
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ATTITASH IS SICK!!!!!!

May 13 2005 10:53AM
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sabes35
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UPDATE: I talked with a couple guys, still not finding too much. Still open to ideas or anyone's recommendations on who to talk to. THANKS

May 31 2005 2:35PM
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dilla_says_go
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out of curiousity, where did you study law? a degree in law from yale and a degree in law from bumblefuck college are two different things. if the former, you may want to look beyond the ski industry. if the latter, maybe you should do some graduate study and move on to better things. most legal business in the industry is handled by outside firms that work with a gamut of companies.

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May 31 2005 3:11PM
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Kevo
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Are you looking to relocate out west or do you want to specifically work in the ski industry? If you just want to move out west, why don't you work at your firm for a year or two, make internal connections, and then approach one of the head partners and see if any of their lawschool buddies ended up in Denver, SLC, Seattle, etc? Perhaps those connections could give you a job. If you don't want to wait, it can't hurt putting your resume on Moster.com and Career Builder.




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May 31 2005 3:13PM
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sabes35
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in respone to last two: (1) went to U of Pitt law school Tier 1 and ranked 50 out of like 200 (so not "bumblefuck" but not Yale either). (2) Rather than just geographic region Id rather just work in the industry . . . thats the real draw, I mean if it were in VT or even at Snowshoe or something south Id be happy just being in the industry. I really like the planning, marketing, and operations functions of resorts. Whether Im doing legal work or not really isnt that impt to me.

May 31 2005 4:24PM
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