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TMswitch06
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fuck the cops man i just got the dumbest ticket in the world, no seatbelt. he coulda been cool and given me a warning but noo


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Apr 10 2005 12:16AM
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petek
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um, yeah. Why the hell wouldnt you want a seatbelt. Too gangsta fo dat shit?


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Apr 10 2005 12:17AM
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Meh42
Posts: 2431 - Karma: 14
getting a ticket for not wearing your seatbelt isnt exactly one of those "fuck the police" situations.

but all the same, i still dont understand why your fined for putting only yourself in the face of danger.

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Apr 10 2005 12:17AM
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huckedmeat
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a friend of mine just got a warning for "planned racing"

Apr 10 2005 12:18AM
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petek
Posts: 8762 - Karma: 12
Hey man, i have a shitload of respect for the police after they were cool when they caught me and my friend smoking pot. Fuck the police for a minor infraction? You are a wigger bitch man.




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Apr 10 2005 12:21AM
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TMswitch06
Posts: 987 - Karma: 11
yeah i know, im overreacting but it still pisses me off. i wasnt wearin it cuz i live in a small town, i was commin home from mcD's which is litterally 2 min away from home


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Apr 10 2005 12:21AM
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petek
Posts: 8762 - Karma: 12
well I'm glad you dont actually feel that way man, because that woulda been pathetic.
Some asshole parking officer keeps on leaving me tickets, even though i have a parking exemption clearly on my car. What the shit?


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Apr 10 2005 12:24AM
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kykelly05
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haha my friends went to myrtle beach and got caught by the cops drinking and put my friends in cuffs... and then they were like" have u guys ever seen that show punkd" and everyone just started laughing b/c the cops didnt give a shit and were jsut messin with them.. and they threw them beers haha... then they saw the same cops do it to another group of kids in the parking lot and they had them up against their cars .. i wish my small town cops were like that.

Apr 10 2005 12:37AM
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Sharpy
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who the hell doesn't wear a seatbelt? Thats like not checking the depth of the water when cliff jumping.

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Apr 10 2005 12:39AM
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frp1080
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i were my seatbelt cause i don't wanna fly through the window

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Apr 10 2005 8:54AM
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SkiUnit03
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yeah seriously i don't feel safe without a seatbelt on, maybe im just a pussy though






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Apr 10 2005 9:50AM
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Timmy_G
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im just in the habit of wearing it. Something could happen and it could mean being a vegetable, being dead, or having a little whiplash

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Apr 10 2005 12:22PM
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Apple
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dude, most accidents happen within 15 minutes from the house. Just because your not going far doesnt mean that someone isnt going to hit you.

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Apr 10 2005 1:05PM
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SNOWMAN17
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my friend has gotten tickets for ...impersonating an officer, littering, illigal use of red and blue lights, parked in another persons driveway ect. those are retardid tickets

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Apr 10 2005 1:11PM
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acoustikrage
Posts: 1001 - Karma: 10
click-it or ticket...i don't see what's so hard to understand.

Apr 10 2005 1:11PM
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Meh42
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but why? why do i get a ticket for only endangering myself? why dont cops sit by cliffs on the basin and ticket people for also putting themselves in the face of danger if thats what theyre into?

its not that i dont agree with seatbelts for some crazy reason, i wear mine, im just wondering how its illegal for me to put only myself at risk?

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Apr 10 2005 1:14PM
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Apple
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Its to save you money in hospital bills (in canada its to save tax payer money) and to keep emergency rooms free. If an injury can be easily prevented, then why wouldnt they force prevention of that injury? I dont understand the mentality of "putting myself at risk" why would you do that? it takes litteraly 2 seconds to put a seatbelt on, and that can save you months of recover time, not to mention your life. so why the fuck not?

Like a virgin on promnight! -Thom Savery please pardon the cacography Capital.City.Rider..Phunkin .Phatt.Phreerider. 'naahhmahhnahh hahh h ... i mean ... the weekend of monday' "go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself" "I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"
Apr 10 2005 1:18PM
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Sharpy
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very good argument with the tax payers dollars thing. Thats why smoking should be illegal.

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Apr 10 2005 1:24PM
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Meh42
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last time i checked, skiing does absolutely nothing to benefit mankind but results in a hell of alot of injuries.
why allow people to do that? it, along with skateboarders and all sorts of other "idiots" are flooding our emergency rooms as it is.

like i said, i personally wear my seatbelt, im just amused by the illegality of it all. isnt that the basis of a free nation? freedom to personal choice in all areas that dont infringe on another's rights or personal choice?

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Apr 10 2005 1:26PM
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Sharpy
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that a really stupid argument. Does not wearing your seatbelt provide you enjoyement? Does it in some way benefit you or others?

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Apr 10 2005 1:27PM
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Meh42
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what the fuck is enjoyment? give me a tangible representation of enjoyment, or a way for me to recognize it in others. people get their kicks from weird things. Since it's so intangible, its easy to deny its presence in others. How the fuck could you kids enjoy jumping off cliffs and premade jumps in the snow? Thats dangerous, and I dont see any personal enjoyment in that, so therefore you must not either. Im outlawing it for the good of humanity and our emergency rooms.

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'but think if i fall in love with a super model and she only gets wet in the pants by kids who no calc shit i wanta be READYYYYYYYYY!!!!!' - (0)jarjar(0)

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Apr 10 2005 1:31PM
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Sharpy
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go look at the stats of money spent taking care of people who injure themselves by not wearing their seatbelt compared to people injuring themselves to jumping off cliffs, or freestyle skiing, or any lone "extreme" sport, it would outweigh anything by a large amount.

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Apr 10 2005 1:33PM
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Sharpy
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also, nto wearign your seatbelt is a bad example for children and other impressionables. Six out of ten children who die in crashes are unrestrained.

a study done by massachusetts states that "15 percent increase in seat belt use, like that experienced by others states after they have passed a primary enforcement seatbelt law, would prevent 3,000-4,000 injuries and save Massachusetts an estimated $80 million in healthcare"

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Apr 10 2005 1:36PM
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Apple
Posts: 7906 - Karma: 33
Also, its just stupid.

Like a virgin on promnight! -Thom Savery please pardon the cacography Capital.City.Rider..Phunkin .Phatt.Phreerider. 'naahhmahhnahh hahh h ... i mean ... the weekend of monday' "go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself" "I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"
Apr 10 2005 1:42PM
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Meh42
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Only because a small percentage of the world freestyle skis, while a huge amount drives without a seatbelt on. Either way you put yourself in danger, much more so by hucking cliffs, or hitting kickers. If you hit as many cliffs as your drive without your seatbelt on, I'll bet you that you're hospitalized at least 100 times for skiing before you get in that one bad accident.

Regardless of the obvious idiotic nature of not wearing your seatbelt, wouldnt it fall under a "personal choice" which we would hope our constitution protects? It's a common occurance in politics to argue for a point that you don't care about, and even think is stupid, just for the broader issue that it represents. The big picture here is that personal choice. It's not that I really want to put myself in danger with impunity from the law, It's that, like a rebellious teenager, I want the right to make my own choices, as stupid as they may be.

On another note, if your the kind of person who feels alive through danger, what does it matter if you get your rush by endangering yourself on the mountain as opposed to on the streets? You still have to explain to me why one is illegal and the other not.

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Apr 10 2005 1:45PM
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Sharpy
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I guess if you discount the millions of dollars wearing seatbelts saves... you could make an argument. But the severity of injuries from skiing park and dropping cliffs is minimal compared to car crashes where the people don't wear a seatbelt. You may break your leg, but thats it. How many spinal cord injuries and brain trauma do you hear about a year from the entire freeskiing community? Seat belts are 57% effective in preventing this. There are thousands of these kidns of severe injuries a year in the US, accounting for millions of dollars per year in expenditures.

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Apr 10 2005 1:52PM
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mintcrue
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when i got pulled over the cop was such a dick, he was all happy n shit that he had power over me n shit. i hate cops now

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Apr 10 2005 1:53PM
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Meh42
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True, your average skiing injury is much less severe than one from a car crash. But it terms of dollars alone, the factor of how much more common the skiing accidents would be, makes them probably even more expensive than those rare car accidents.

But, being a tax paying citizen, I want to finally make use of those tax dollars I so eagerly spend every month. Since I don't actually go to the emergency room for all other injurys, I'm sick of waiting around for six hours just to get the doctor to say I broke something and refer me to someone else, I want to get my moneys worth.

Actually, never mind, I don't even pay taxes, but if I did, than that holds true.

Yes, you are right in that it saves money, lives, and all that fun stuff. But then again, I want that choice to be able to endanger myself, and like I said before, many Americans are busy pumping money into a system that they rarely use.

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Apr 10 2005 2:05PM
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Sharpy
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but you aern't endangering yourself, you are pumping up insurance prices, which means that some familys cant afford good medical treatement. And the moeny you arewastign could be used to treate the child who needs a heart but can't afford it. The 300,000 it costs to take care of a spinal cord injury for one year could go a long way to helping others. Yo uare also takign up valuable hospital beds.

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Apr 10 2005 2:08PM
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sim
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I agree with 4D 100%. There is no reason at all why wearing a seat belts should be a law. I for one always wear mine, and nor does it warrant a "fuck the police" comment for getting a ticket for not doing so, as they are just doing their job. Its along the same lines as under 18s having to wear bike helmets. Bike helmets are a great idea, but who the f should decide whether I should wear one or not (I'm not actually under 18.)

Is our society that stupid and weak that they cant make these decisions for themselves? If yes, then maybe social darwinism should prevail. If no, then its time to start looking at what current governments (in Canada the Liberals) are doing. Everyday we lose a bit more freedom.

I think 4Ds arguements are perfectly valid when comparing extreme sports, or any sport for that matter, to the seatbelt situation. Not to call you out or anything Skibum, but I think you need to take a closer look at all those stats. They are not very well defined, and can be decieving. Id be willing to bet that if people spent as much time on skis or a mountain bike, that they do in their vehicles, you would see greater amounts of injuries coming from Extreme sports.

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Apr 10 2005 2:27PM
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Apple
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i just want to point out that your comparosion should between driving with out a seat belt and skiing without a helmet, not just skiing.

Like a virgin on promnight! -Thom Savery please pardon the cacography Capital.City.Rider..Phunkin .Phatt.Phreerider. 'naahhmahhnahh hahh h ... i mean ... the weekend of monday' "go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself" "I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"
Apr 10 2005 2:33PM
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Meh42
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My comparison was actually to skiing in general, as helmets only protect against head injuries, and I was talking about injuries as a whole, not just cranial. That brings up a good point though, skiing without a helmet increases that risk even more, and probably the percentage of seriously injured skiers who have a spinal injury is around the same as those in serious car accidents.

How many freestyle skiers are there in the world? I'm awful at estimating, but i would assume in the range of 200 thousand in the US. How many of our number have had a serious spinal injury this year? I would say about five that I know about personally, meaning that there are much more out there. Now multiply both those numbers that by a thousand to get the number of people who own a car in the US alone. Thats a huge number of people who would be incapacitated if they skied weekly or so, now imagine if they did it at least twice a day as a driver is likely to.

The outcome of probably only 1% of all car wrecks could be influenced by the use of a seatbelt, regardless of what the media portrays, its just not that common. I think actually the number of fender benders classified as accidents throws off the average speed of a crash so bad that its around 5 mph or so.

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Apr 10 2005 2:51PM
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Meh42
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Oh and thanks for your support Sim, I was starting to wonder if anyone else on NS agreed with me.

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'but think if i fall in love with a super model and she only gets wet in the pants by kids who no calc shit i wanta be READYYYYYYYYY!!!!!' - (0)jarjar(0)

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Apr 10 2005 2:52PM
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Apple
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"The outcome of probably only 1% of all car wrecks could be influenced by the use of a seatbelt, regardless of what the media portrays"

So, basicly your saying that the statistics you make up on the spot are better than the ceditable statistics found in the mainstream media which are founded on reasearch or car maunfactures and survays of insurance companies? If seatbelts could only influence the outcomes of 1% of car accidents, why is it that car companies waste time and money to put them in the car?

Like a virgin on promnight! -Thom Savery please pardon the cacography Capital.City.Rider..Phunkin .Phatt.Phreerider. 'naahhmahhnahh hahh h ... i mean ... the weekend of monday' "go down to the bottom bunk and finish yourself" "I may be the last to cross the finish line, but at least im in the first race - pun intended"
Apr 10 2005 3:00PM
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Sharpy
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ok, by ratio, there are more spinals from driving than from skiins. And 60% of spinals occur when the people aern't wearing a seatbelt. 78% of the US regularily wears a seatbelt when driving. You can say its natural selection, weeding out the stupid people, but I will refer you to a previous post of mine about how it affects many others aswel. Injuries while not wearign a seatbelt are preventable and un needed. Sure you could make everything that could otentially injure someone illegal, but you have to draw the line somwhere. Your insurance is higher becuase of people who don't wear seat belts. It doesn't only affect the person making the decision, but affects everyone.

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Apr 10 2005 3:02PM
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Meh42
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If your going to call my statistics bullshit, post your own, dont make vauge abstractions about the media.
What I meant wasn't that the media displays actual bullshit, but the only time an accident will make it on the news is if it's catastrophic, therefore putting out giving you a different impression.

In defense of my 1% quote, how many accidents have you witnessed in your life? How many of those were at traffic lights consisting of one car rolling into another? How many of those only consisted of one car hitting an inanimate object in a parking lot? Cars are made to be weak, and therefore do take damage in these little things, and it is only because of that, that I even consider those as accidents. There are probably 90+ of those for every pileup you see by the highway.

But, once again, I'm getting away from my argument. I'm not debating that seatbelts save lives, anybody can see that, my point is that I want the freedom to decide things such as that. I don't want to get in trouble with the law for making a personal choice that doesn't infringe on the rights of any other person.

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'but think if i fall in love with a super model and she only gets wet in the pants by kids who no calc shit i wanta be READYYYYYYYYY!!!!!' - (0)jarjar(0)

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Apr 10 2005 3:10PM
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Sharpy
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I don't think you've been reading anythign I have wrote. I have been presenting statistics, while you provide your all so reliable estimates.

doesn't infringe on the rights of others

again, I provided you information regarding hospital costs, the fact that insurance goes of because eveyone has to cover for the people who don't wear seatbelts, and the affect on those close to one who ends up severely injured. Are you saying that it doesn't affect the man who has to take a bus for 3 hours to work ebcause he can't afford car insurance? Are you saying it doesn't affect the person who needs a hospital bed because they are very injured, but have to wait because someone decided they like the rush of not having a seat belt on?

I have seen many car accidents, pile ups and fender benders, and I have been in an accident of my own. Thankfully I had my seatbelt on or I wouldn't be here writing this. I would have a log in my face. If I had died because of not wearing a seat belt, it would have affected, freinds and family, not just me. Saying not wearing a seatbelt only afefcts that person is a very selfish statement.

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Apr 10 2005 3:23PM
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Meh42
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Hey, sorry, I was talking to Apple when I said that.

But yeah, first off, I understand the problem facing many people who can't afford car insurance and have to use public transportation. But for the most part, this isn't caused by the lack of seatbelt use. In fact, most car insurance companies void the health insurance if they find evidence you were not wearing your's. If they void it, they won't pay it, and if they're not paying out crazy settlements, they're not having to raise premiums either.

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'but think if i fall in love with a super model and she only gets wet in the pants by kids who no calc shit i wanta be READYYYYYYYYY!!!!!' - (0)jarjar(0)

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Apr 10 2005 3:30PM
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Sharpy
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well, you successfully argued the smallest point I made about how it doesn't affect other people.

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Apr 10 2005 3:33PM
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Meh42
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I've seen your second argument before in an article by a surfer saying that the world's huge wave surfers were recklessly endangering themselves and being selfish to all those close to them. Don't kid yourself, any day your at the basin pushing your limits, you are tempting fate to come and cripple/kill you with a head/kneck injury. That could be qualified as selfish too. But then, once again, the government isn't supposed to step into individual's lives and punish them for being selfish is it?

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'but think if i fall in love with a super model and she only gets wet in the pants by kids who no calc shit i wanta be READYYYYYYYYY!!!!!' - (0)jarjar(0)

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Apr 10 2005 3:33PM
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Meh42
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Smallest point? You've mentioned the effect insurance has on the "innocents" in like three different posts.

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'but think if i fall in love with a super model and she only gets wet in the pants by kids who no calc shit i wanta be READYYYYYYYYY!!!!!' - (0)jarjar(0)

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Apr 10 2005 3:34PM
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Sharpy
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so say I wanted to go kill someone, I want to do that, it makes me feel good, where does the government have the right to stop me? Thats one extreme, just to prove my line point.

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Apr 10 2005 3:37PM
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Meh42
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No, because that is a personal choice that is infringing upon another's right to life.

That's my main point in the whole argument. A free nation is based on the ability to make personal choices that don't infringe upon the rights of another.

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'but think if i fall in love with a super model and she only gets wet in the pants by kids who no calc shit i wanta be READYYYYYYYYY!!!!!' - (0)jarjar(0)

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Apr 10 2005 3:42PM
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Sharpy
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so when a person not wearing a seatbelt gets a spinal, with is 60% morel ikely than if not, its ok that the take up 300,000 dollars out of healthcare?

Do you believe people wanting to commit suicide should be alowd? What about euthanasia?

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Apr 10 2005 3:48PM
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mintcrue
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wow people are writing alot for this one, must be important but i'm too lazy to read it

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Apr 10 2005 3:58PM
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Jessbuff
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My stupid cop stories are scatttered amidst some other threads but to summarize:

My associates and I have mingled with the police for:
1) Some one else throwing a penny out of my car and missing a pedestrian
2) someone else knocking small paper cups on the floor in a Wendy's
3) knocking a door off of it's track slightly -Damage = 0$
-Cop response time = 25 mins
-Court time = 3 months
-Decision = pending
-Court fees ??? thousand $$$
4) Taking a drink dispenser nozzle at a Subway during a school car rally (Lanks)
5) Jumping from own roof into own pool (lanks and anathema) - 1 fire truck, 1 or 2 ambulances and a cop cruiser.

WTF is all I have to say - catch me doing something illegal not petty, I'm embarassed for our justice system.

Bottom line: Cops are gay.

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Apr 10 2005 4:11PM
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Apple
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here are some intresting statistics that i found on the U.S. department of transportation website. (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/buckleplan/buasbteens03/index.htm)

Safety belts saved more than 12,000 American lives in 2001. Yet, during that same year, nearly two-thirds (60 percent) of passenger vehicle occupants killed in traffic crashes were unrestrained.

Safety belt usage saves society an estimated $50 billion annually in medical care, lost productivity, and other injury-related costs.

Conversely, safety belt nonuse results in significant economic costs to society. The needless deaths and injuries from safety belt nonuse account for an estimated $26 billion in economic costs to society annually. The cost goes beyond the lost lives of unbuckled drivers and passengers: We all pay - in higher taxes and higher health care and insurance costs.


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Apr 10 2005 4:12PM
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Sharpy
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I've never really met cops, other for when my minidisc player got stolen at school, in which case I got it back, the cop lost it, and I got a new one of the higher model paid for by the cop.

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Apr 10 2005 4:12PM
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Meh42
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Sorry, I wandered off from my computer for a while.

First off, you still miss my point. I don't want people to not be allowed to wear their seatbelts. I want it to be a voluntary choice. You forget that the freedom to do something doesn't ensure that people will goe to it's lowest limits. It's legal to drink alcohol, yet not everyone is an alcoholic.

The largest ever drop in the number of highway fatalities came after seatbelts were first instituted in cars, but not mandatory.

Seat-belt laws have also failed to reduce highway fatalities in the numbers promised by supporters to get such laws passed.8 According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, there were 51,093 highway fatalities in 1979.9 Five years later, 1984, the year before seat-belt laws began to pass, there were 44,257 fatalities. That is a net decrease of 6,836 deaths in five years, which represents a 13.4 percent decline with no seat-belt laws and only voluntary seat-belt use. In 1999, there were 41,611 fatalities. That is a net decrease of 2,646 deaths, a 6 percent decrease over 15 years of rigid seat-belt law enforcement, with some states claiming 80 percent seat-belt use. If the passage of seat-belt laws did anything, it slowed the downward trend in highway fatalities started years before the passage of such laws.

I want the choice to decide wether I use my seatbelt or not. Why? It's a personal choice, the very thing that the constitution was made to protect.

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Apr 10 2005 4:36PM
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Sharpy
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you miss the point

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Apr 10 2005 4:41PM
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hendrik.
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this has to be one of the most pointless arguments on NS.com... congratulations for putting so much effort into it.

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Apr 10 2005 4:42PM
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