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anders_aI could make the 188cm atomic bent chetler fold super easy at +2cm
I have the bent chetler 100 and am looking for a heavier more directional ski, how different do you find the FR 102? Is it significantly better in chopped up snow or crud? That's where I find the bent gets bullied at speed.
extravertI have the bent chetler 100 and am looking for a heavier more directional ski, how different do you find the FR 102? Is it significantly better in chopped up snow or crud? That's where I find the bent gets bullied at speed.
anders_aYessir, I have the fischer ranger 102 FR in both 184 and 191cm, I'm about 189-190cm ish myself, about 215-220lbs
184 is at +2cm
191 is at +3cm
Dont be afraid to go +3 or heck even +4cm depending on weight and style
I've hit carves at 60-65mph on the 184 on black slopes, its just friggin amazing, then huge hits on rollers, then laps in the park the 191 scales things up again and is just rock solid, but super fun to even bigger on, for slow speed stuff and misc nose butters and such I prefer the 184 but thats just my skill level. the 191s at +3 are superfun for going switch fast! honestly the 184 feels way more solid than any 184 or that "short" ski does for me, but the 191 doesnt feel to long or hard to manover.
where I could make the 188cm atomic bent chetler fold super easy at +2cm, heck even the 186cm enforcer 88 I can make fold rather easy, the ranger 102 184cm at +2cm stays solid. Stock tunes seems pretty agressive.
On chopped up piles of refrozen stuff with snow/ice under just carving fast, then sending it of the piles they were amazing, and again the best non metal ski I've skied for hard conditions like that, large moguls forming everywhere and it was just fun fun.
You can get them for around 200-210 USD! on sale in europe now :o (world is going shit)
In my country I've seen only one store carry them, I found them by random when looking at other skis there, tucked away in the very far corner of the store, hidden behind other skis, for sale at like $700..... :o
My biggest gripe of the season was not getting to try them on proper deep snow as I tend to grab 110 and 120 mm thoose days and we had very few powder days working with work schedule and load.
If you like to CHARGE and play, get a pair.
Been force to do ski touring lately, so chetlers on shifts... was really considering putting a shift on the ranger 102 :o
**This post was edited on Apr 4th 2020 at 2:37:36am
those bent chetler 120s are fire
ive got a pair too and i love them
May be a little byis but here is my Current set up. Enjoy!
-185 line blends with pivot 14's (park/urban love the flex on this ski especially the low key Manny flex zones can hold nose Manny's for days)
-184 k2 reckoner 102. Will be putting the other set of pivot 18's like marksmans. (These skis are from the future and I have only demoed with a pair of marker demo bindings. Pretty flex but also stable due to the carbon make up.)
-184 k2 Marksman with pivot 18 mismatch. (I absolutely love this ski it can do just about anything and I noticed myself riding her in the park more then my blends and chasing powder more then my Mordecai's. Put in about 30+ days on the original ones I bought in sept Lucked out and some how managed a warranty before shit hit the fan and now have a fresh pair that I've only skied once)
-185 line Mordecai with Forza pivot 18's (my pow ski real fun but understand why it was replaced by the outline.)
-185 line Eric Pollard pros with pivot 14's (Japan ski that has never been to Japan)
Work at a shop in Denver and used to and really like giving reviews. If any one has any questions or would like a more extensive review of any of my quiver or perhaps something I might have ridden would be more then happy.
Moment Wildcat 108 @190 with Shifts
This particular ski has the tip and tail of their wildcat tour to make skinning easier, but the layup of the inbounds wildcat. I love these things, and use them most days in the PNW for resort and backcountry. Light, stable, and fun.
Nordica Blower 110 @185 with Markers
Very old pow/rock ski that weighs a ton, has no rocker, flat tails, and is kind of a weird ski. Will probably leave the quiver soon
Atomic Bentchetler 100 @188 with Look Pivots
Park and low snow ski. Very light, poppy and fun, but not really chargers.
Rossignol Seek 7 86 @182 with Marker Alpinist
Super light mountaineering and volcano ski, the pair weigh less than a single of any of my other skis. They work surprisingly well in pow and soft snow but suck in heavy snow and breakable crust.
Little late to the party but these 2 bad boys joined the quiver for next season! Black Shifts are going on the JJs and next years Forza Pivot 15 for the Mags. Complemented by Faction CT 1.0s because they’re arguably my favorite ski ever and a limited edition Prodigy 2.0 collaboration with La Clusaz. Quarantine deals are real boys and girls!
As newschoolers tradition goes, expecting upvotes for the ON3P's and downvotes for the race skis. Former racer turned ON3P junkie but used to ditch skiing gates on pow days and headed to the park the second training ended so I like to consider myself one of the good ones
Left to right: 2016/17 ON3P Kartel 108 181 w/ Rossi FKS 180 (believe it was the last year of the Rossi Pivot Graphic), 2019/20 ON3P Jeffrey 108 181 w/ Look Pivot 18 (Quick ship custom, stock everything except for white eagle graphic), 2017/18 4FRNT Uptrack Col 181 w/ Marker Duke
**This post was edited on Apr 28th 2020 at 10:48:06pm
**This post was edited on Apr 28th 2020 at 11:04:48pm
My poor skis miss the snow. I have a problem with buying things I don’t need and I have way more than I deserve… anyway,
170 Blend’s: Very easygoing and fun, especially at slower speeds
Ski blades: waiting to try :)
Vishnu wet’s / pivot18: I only have 6 turns on them so far
ARV86 / pivot18: Park and training @ home
Dynastar bump skis 176
SFB 176: Very quick and fun; I bought brakes too big and have bent them to hell and back so now I am afraid to ski them switch.
PBJ 188: Pretty burly for me; haven’t skied them enough
Dynastar Menace 181: My favorite ATM
Bent Chetler 120’s 190: Look like Swiss cheese because I screwed up the mount multiple times; haven’t skied yet
Deathwish 190: Yay fun
Deathwish Tour 190 with shift's: Dumb choice for 1st 50/50 setup but I like how they ski :). Quite capable in park with low swing weight but I don’t want to break ‘em :)
Wish list: some 4frnt Raven's with something lighter than shift's.
**This post was edited on Apr 29th 2020 at 9:53:39am
The K108s with a cast system are very heavy, so I use those for touring to build booters, hitting slackcountry, or any shorter tours that are more downhill focused. For straight up touring, I sized down from 181 to 176 K108s with G3 ions and they work great. They don’t feel heavy on the way up and don’t feel chattery on the way down.
**This post was edited on May 4th 2020 at 2:05:56pm
How do you like touring the Visions? I was looking at pairing either those or the Mindbender 116 with some Icelantic Pioneers for the PNW. Also, how hard can you go on the Tecton? I’m super worried about snagging a pair and hitting a single jump just to break them or eject downhill 50ft...
.nastyUpdated my quiver a bit from the last page. New pivots since I went from WTR to gripwalk, also new touring ski.
183cm Line Vision 108 w/Tecton 12
181cm Line Sakana w/p14
188cm Armada ARV 106Ti w/p14
186cm K2 Mindbender 116c LTD w/sth2 13
179cm K2 Hellbents w/p14 (nostalgia wheelie pow ski)
Apo Kai Pro 177 + some Rossi bindings (first frrestyle pair, was so stoked)
2xLine Tom Wallisch Pro 178 + Pivots
Faction Candide 4.0 188 + Salomon STH16
And if someone is wondering about the wakeboard, it's a Hyperlite Hashtag + Slingshot Shredtown bindings.
**This post was edited on May 16th 2020 at 6:05:43am
JackFrost12How do you like touring the Visions? I was looking at pairing either those or the Mindbender 116 with some Icelantic Pioneers for the PNW. Also, how hard can you go on the Tecton? I’m super worried about snagging a pair and hitting a single jump just to break them or eject downhill 50ft...
I’m a big fan of the visions for touring, it’s got to be the lightest ski that I feel confident skiing normally on, at least from skis that I’ve tried anyway. Can’t say the Mindbender would be a bad choice either, not nearly as light though. I always got plenty of float out of visions in deep snow even at 108 underfoot. Although next year there’s a vision 118 if you’re so inclined. The tecton is my favorite touring binding, I love that it has toe release similar to a shift, but in a much lighter package. I was comfortable skiing it inbounds plenty but if I was charging on it inbounds very frequently I’d probably get something else or just use an inbounds ski entirely.
highpeakAs newschoolers tradition goes, expecting upvotes for the ON3P's and downvotes for the race skis. Former racer turned ON3P junkie but used to ditch skiing gates on pow days and headed to the park the second training ended so I like to consider myself one of the good ones
Left to right: 2016/17 ON3P Kartel 108 181 w/ Rossi FKS 180 (believe it was the last year of the Rossi Pivot Graphic), 2019/20 ON3P Jeffrey 108 181 w/ Look Pivot 18 (Quick ship custom, stock everything except for white eagle graphic), 2017/18 4FRNT Uptrack Col 181 w/ Marker Duke
**This post was edited on Apr 28th 2020 at 10:48:06pm
**This post was edited on Apr 28th 2020 at 11:04:48pm
Those Rossi's actually look fun as hell for bombing groomers.
2003 Salomon Pocket Rocket- The OG Pow Jib tool. They are trashed and retired but I might glue and clamp the damage and remount them. It would be crazy to ride them again as they were my first twin tips and the ski I had back in high school.
2007 4FRNT VCT- Stiff has hell and a bit planky but these things rip. They are fat enough to surf pow but are traditional camber and side cut so they rip groomers really well. They are the ski I know will tank though any kind of crud etc. The bindings are so old the shop wont touch them when I got new ski boots last year so I might remount them.
2012 4FRNT CRJ- Almost the polar opposite to the VCT. They are poppy and really playful and float through powder really well. They swing really fast for 188 and are my favorite for tree skiing when its soft. They dont carve groomers well at all though which is why I need to get my VCTs figured out.
2003 Salomon Pocket Rocket- The OG Pow Jib tool. They are trashed and retired but I might glue and clamp the damage and remount them. It would be crazy to ride them again as they were my first twin tips and the ski I had back in high school.
i saw someone last year on old pocket rockets and i wanted to ask him about them but he wasn't a very friendly dude. i was so curious, how do they feel compared to modern skis? they must be soft as hell at this point, right? prob light tho too
SofaKingSicki saw someone last year on old pocket rockets and i wanted to ask him about them but he wasn't a very friendly dude. i was so curious, how do they feel compared to modern skis? they must be soft as hell at this point, right? prob light tho too
Thats lame the guy wasnt chill about it. If I rock mine at a resort I would be stoked to show them to anyone who asks. Its been so long since I have skied them but yeah they are prob pretty noodly at this point since they are foam core and it breaks down over time. They actually are decently stiff underfoot then get really really soft to the tip and tail with the "Spaceframe" shape. If you look closely there is a rib that goes down the center and the "Paddle" part around it is very thin. I just ran downstairs to compare and did a flex test and surprisingly they are still stiffer than my CRJs.
I actually used them as a park ski for a while when I got my VCTs. They had a good pop, could be thrown around really well and were super easy to butter. They would actually compare more to a somewhat modern park ski that had full camber. One of the things I remember about them is they make a strange sound when you knock them together, almost like knocking two pieces of chalk together.
They are extremely light and a few years after they were introduced they really caught on with the touring community. I have actually seen more Pocket Rockets with AT bindings than normal bindings.
Shit, after talking about them I think Im going to have to remount them if I can fix the edge. I still have the old marker bindings somewhere too.
SuspiciousFishThats lame the guy wasnt chill about it. If I rock mine at a resort I would be stoked to show them to anyone who asks. Its been so long since I have skied them but yeah they are prob pretty noodly at this point since they are foam core and it breaks down over time. They actually are decently stiff underfoot then get really really soft to the tip and tail with the "Spaceframe" shape. If you look closely there is a rib that goes down the center and the "Paddle" part around it is very thin. I just ran downstairs to compare and did a flex test and surprisingly they are still stiffer than my CRJs.
I actually used them as a park ski for a while when I got my VCTs. They had a good pop, could be thrown around really well and were super easy to butter. They would actually compare more to a somewhat modern park ski that had full camber. One of the things I remember about them is they make a strange sound when you knock them together, almost like knocking two pieces of chalk together.
They are extremely light and a few years after they were introduced they really caught on with the touring community. I have actually seen more Pocket Rockets with AT bindings than normal bindings.
Shit, after talking about them I think Im going to have to remount them if I can fix the edge. I still have the old marker bindings somewhere too.
Thanks man. Yeah it’s funny how they’re kinda like some modern park skis. I’m honestly surprised they still have any stiffness in them but that’s great that you might ride them again! I’ve been regretting getting rid of my skis from that time and before, now that I want to compare them to modern skis
It's my 3rd pair of Camox and i think they are the best all around ski I've ever been on. Super durable and the 18 meter turn radius makes them exel in mogul and off piste situations. Rocker makes them real easy to pivot, but they carve on rails when you really lay into it.Great park ski too, super solid. No Freebirds there, not really a touring kinda skier. I like to ride the lift.
I love to bomb groomers at 60mph+ and jump on rollers, its somehting satisfing about doing low altitude, loooooong airs.
Also its the one place that the park rats and kids actually gives you tons of cred for, becuse they are to thin to hit 60-70 and get enough speed to seeeeeeeend it ;)
Ref camox, I have a pair of unmounted ones, picked up just before corona hit and was waiting on binding :o really looking forward to try
zmvnkMay be a little byis but here is my Current set up. Enjoy!
-185 line blends with pivot 14's (park/urban love the flex on this ski especially the low key Manny flex zones can hold nose Manny's for days)
-184 k2 reckoner 102. Will be putting the other set of pivot 18's like marksmans. (These skis are from the future and I have only demoed with a pair of marker demo bindings. Pretty flex but also stable due to the carbon make up.)
-184 k2 Marksman with pivot 18 mismatch. (I absolutely love this ski it can do just about anything and I noticed myself riding her in the park more then my blends and chasing powder more then my Mordecai's. Put in about 30+ days on the original ones I bought in sept Lucked out and some how managed a warranty before shit hit the fan and now have a fresh pair that I've only skied once)
-185 line Mordecai with Forza pivot 18's (my pow ski real fun but understand why it was replaced by the outline.)
-185 line Eric Pollard pros with pivot 14's (Japan ski that has never been to Japan)
Work at a shop in Denver and used to and really like giving reviews. If any one has any questions or would like a more extensive review of any of my quiver or perhaps something I might have ridden would be more then happy.
anders_a@zmvnk wanna write a few lines more on the marksman and what you like/ dont like? I love the topsheet, its the 18/19 right?
Mine are the 18/19’s. One of my favorite things about this ski is its a-symmetrical tips and tails. I ski with my feet real close and sometimes they may overlap, with the a-symmetry they ride really well and you don’t end up going ski over ski and crossing them up and eating shit. The center is 106 so they are a little wider but the tips are 132 and tails are 126 they float well enough for most pow days but are mad fun just all over the mountain. I ski a lot of park but also like venture off into the woods. They are not as quick for combos on rails but real fun and you feel real solid especially off jumps. I love the rocker profile and with the carbon braid in the tip and tail they have really nice pop and hold an edge but not too noodly. When i travel and can only bring one ski this is always my go to. Also pretty durable skid over 40 days on my original pair before the edge in the tails started separating....got them warentyed and now have a fresh new pair to romp. The one thing that i do not like is at high speeds because of the rocker profile they chatter a little but nothing to crazy. Hope that answered a few of your questions. Definitely would recomend copping a pair while you still can k2 has discontinued this ski. Check out Evo’s website they have a few pairs on there for cheap!
