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Who still supports Saga?

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JAHSHUA
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After last year's mess, it shocks me to see Saga still in business. I thought they burned enough bridges with all their customers to prevent them from ever having a thriving business again.



Will you support Saga again? Why or why not?
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Nov 7 2019 3:14PM
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mikemac
Posts: 1292 - Karma: 3,623
honestly love the cuts and the colors every year, but i actually bought 2l bibs at amazing preseason prices but unfortunately they weren't actually that waterproof and I blew out the crotch not even 2/3rds through my season. granted i got a thicc ass and hit the bootpacks around jackson hole pretty hard, maybe shoulda gone 3L but either way was v dissapointed. If i were just park skiing out east or in the midwest mighta lasted longer but hard saying.
Nov 7 2019 3:18PM
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ItsFen
Posts: 183 - Karma: 960
Had a similar experience and I’m scrawny as fuck. They’re stuff still looks really dope but the quality is just crap.
mikemachonestly love the cuts and the colors every year, but i actually bought 2l bibs at amazing preseason prices but unfortunately they weren't actually that waterproof and I blew out the crotch not even 2/3rds through my season. granted i got a thicc ass and hit the bootpacks around jackson hole pretty hard, maybe shoulda gone 3L but either way was v dissapointed. If i were just park skiing out east or in the midwest mighta lasted longer but hard saying.
Nov 7 2019 7:55PM
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Lemuel
Posts: 14488 - Karma: 10,641
Stitching has always been crap, material has always been pretty good. My mittens were the best Saga product I ever owned.
Nov 7 2019 8:41PM
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Chunderface
Posts: 2514 - Karma: 9,862
Quality is garbage.
Nov 7 2019 11:14PM
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TOAST.
Posts: 7481 - Karma: 36,054
Full price hell no
60-70% off price hell yea

That was also my mentality before last year tho so my opinion is unchanged.
Nov 8 2019 7:15AM
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NattyNine
Posts: 281 - Karma: 1,599
I will.
Nov 8 2019 11:24AM
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mikemac
Posts: 1292 - Karma: 3,623
TOAST.Full price hell no
60-70% off price hell yea

That was also my mentality before last year tho so my opinion is unchanged.

what happened last year?
Nov 8 2019 12:34PM
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Whackson
Posts: 466 - Karma: 4,030
I knew someone who got kicked from the team because “there wasn’t enough women on the team”
Nov 8 2019 12:34PM
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J_Steez
Posts: 1163 - Karma: 4,205
lil windells kids with parent money
Nov 8 2019 12:35PM
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Monsieur_Patate
Posts: 1393 - Karma: 4,304
Pretty aligned with what has already been said, quality is crap, my last pair of Saga pants did not even last a full season.

There is no way I'd ever buy something full price from them, but at 70% off maybe.
Nov 8 2019 4:02PM
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Seekingseasons
Posts: 523 - Karma: 1,252
I have worn the shit out of my Jekyll and Hyde puffy, but I got it on sale back in the good old days, wasn't about to pay 140$ or whatever the insane listing price was.
Nov 8 2019 6:48PM
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Chubz.
Posts: 13918 - Karma: 25,661
mikemacwhat happened last year?


their warehouse got "robbed" and they screwed a bunch of people out of outerwear last season. Very little communication with their customers, left a BUNCH of people in the dark till over the summer i think. Pretty wack move, i know shit happens but saga did not take care of it the way they should have, in my opinon
Nov 8 2019 8:35PM
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DominatorJacques
Posts: 11232 - Karma: 76,337
Shine on all that smanchy stuff.

Visit the Thrift Shop!


https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/782943/Poppin--Thrift-Store-Tags-Vintage-One-Piece-Ski-Suits-Re-Make-2-17
Nov 8 2019 9:08PM
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Chunderface
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Chubz.their warehouse got "robbed" and they screwed a bunch of people out of outerwear last season. Very little communication with their customers, left a BUNCH of people in the dark till over the summer i think. Pretty wack move, i know shit happens but saga did not take care of it the way they should have, in my opinon


Did they ever make any information available that confirmed they were robbed? Any sort of police or insurance documents? Or did they just say it happened and that was that?
Nov 8 2019 9:20PM
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Chubz.
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skeirmanDid they ever make any information available that confirmed they were robbed? Any sort of police or insurance documents? Or did they just say it happened and that was that?


There was an article about it awhile back
Nov 8 2019 9:32PM
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Trifes
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WhacksonI knew someone who got kicked from the team because “there wasn’t enough women on the team”

i'd be really interested in the source of that
Nov 9 2019 8:10AM
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JmckR
Posts: 1279 - Karma: 5,871
I've always liked their Tek pullovers, was thinking of getting a new one this year despite all the bad press, but this year's drop is pretty shit so that's made my mind up for me.
Nov 9 2019 8:27AM
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danbrown
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Chubz.their warehouse got "robbed"

not sure why this is in quotes, I personally saw the security footage, the blowtorched lock, raided shipping container, the posts selling stolen gear a year later and I can confirm that arrests were made. take off your tinfoil hat.
Nov 9 2019 2:12PM
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Chubz.
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danbrownnot sure why this is in quotes, I personally saw the security footage, the blowtorched lock, raided shipping container, the posts selling stolen gear a year later and I can confirm that arrests were made. take off your tinfoil hat.


Nov 9 2019 2:16PM
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Saucerboyshane
Posts: 226 - Karma: 590
Still got my stuff 3 weeks later and who cares i wasn’t skiing in June
Nov 10 2019 6:23PM
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TheClap.
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as soon as the 09/10 fit comes back with the 07-10 colors
Nov 10 2019 8:39PM
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Chunderface
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SaucerboyshaneStill got my stuff 3 weeks later and who cares i wasn’t skiing in June


Did holes start to appear from the stitching coming out as you took it out of the package?
Nov 10 2019 9:02PM
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bigwhite.steeze
Posts: 8227 - Karma: 1,030
always liked the stuff, had some stuff years ago and it was super solid
Nov 10 2019 10:52PM
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Saucerboyshane
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skeirmanDid holes start to appear from the stitching coming out as you took it out of the package?


what
Nov 10 2019 11:43PM
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NattyNine
Posts: 281 - Karma: 1,599
Love how revealing this thread it. Just shows haters always speak the loudest but that doesn't mean the entire community is behind them.
Nov 11 2019 10:52AM
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gfanuckaa
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https://www.bbb.org/us/ut/salt-lake-cty/profile/online-shopping/saga-outerwear-1166-90024265/complaints

https://www.bbb.org/us/ut/salt-lake-cty/profile/online-shopping/saga-outerwear-1166-90024265

I like all the others was burned, no customer service, they took the $ and ran. Wish I saw these reviews before I placed my order...
Nov 12 2019 3:20PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
Posts: 9931 - Karma: 9,399
gfanuckaahttps://www.bbb.org/us/ut/salt-lake-cty/profile/online-shopping/saga-outerwear-1166-90024265/complaints

https://www.bbb.org/us/ut/salt-lake-cty/profile/online-shopping/saga-outerwear-1166-90024265

I like all the others was burned, no customer service, they took the $ and ran. Wish I saw these reviews before I placed my order...

separate from the Saga situation, the BBB is garbage that shouldn't be taken seriously. Don't support shitty companies like Yelp/BBB/etc that extort business owners under the guise of community curated reviews
Nov 12 2019 5:09PM
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gfanuckaa
Posts: 538 - Karma: 292
Take it however you want but all the saga bbb associated customer complaints were clearly not just made up for nothing clearly over a course of time ass well
Nov 13 2019 7:41AM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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gfanuckaaTake it however you want but all the saga bbb associated customer complaints were clearly not just made up for nothing clearly over a course of time ass well

that's specifically why I started my reply with "separate from the Saga situation"

From what I skimmed on your links everything mentioned isn't new info and can be found in a variety of other places, including NS.... you mention regretting placing an order before reading BBB, is that seriously the first source you heard about any of the controversies surrounding Saga?

I still strongly stand by my point of fuck BBB/Yelp/etc.
Nov 13 2019 3:32PM
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Auschie
Posts: 297 - Karma: 392
I don’t really understand all of the poor durability comments. I’ve owned 4 saga jackets and 2 pants throughout the years and all have been awesome. Only my old fatigue pants have gave out and I had abused them. The monarch line is awesome, where else can you get a 3L jacket or bibs on sale for under $150? I just bought the empress jacket for my wife from last year.

The situation last year wasn’t great but it wasn’t their fault. I had thought people still got their gear, or in my case they gave me a gift code so I snagged a pair of mittens for cheap.
Nov 13 2019 3:50PM
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danbrown
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IanAvery-LeafI still strongly stand by my point of fuck BBB/Yelp/etc.


I briefly worked in management for a company in SLC that had a poor BBB rating as they previously did not have anyone monitoring open claims/complaints. I reached out to them and was assigned a direct BBB rep. The rep eventually ended up telling me that we could come to some sort of financial agreement to get the poor reviews wiped off the page. The figure ended up being too large for the decision makers at my company, but it just goes to show you that while the BBB can be a good barometer of a company's practices, their integrity is not exactly great and they're certainly not 100% honest and truthful.
Nov 13 2019 3:53PM
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SammyDubz
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AuschieI don’t really understand all of the poor durability comments. I’ve owned 4 saga jackets and 2 pants throughout the years and all have been awesome. Only my old fatigue pants have gave out and I had abused them. The monarch line is awesome, where else can you get a 3L jacket or bibs on sale for under $150? I just bought the empress jacket for my wife from last year.

The situation last year wasn’t great but it wasn’t their fault. I had thought people still got their gear, or in my case they gave me a gift code so I snagged a pair of mittens for cheap.


^^
Nov 13 2019 4:35PM
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mehregan15
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IanAvery-Leafthat's specifically why I started my reply with "separate from the Saga situation"

From what I skimmed on your links everything mentioned isn't new info and can be found in a variety of other places, including NS.... you mention regretting placing an order before reading BBB, is that seriously the first source you heard about any of the controversies surrounding Saga?

I still strongly stand by my point of fuck BBB/Yelp/etc.


Just listened to a podcast with Yelp founder and CEO Jeremy Stoppelman. He's a badass that has stood up against big names countless times to keep things fair for businesses. So I disagree.
Nov 13 2019 4:45PM
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.nasty
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mehregan15Just listened to a podcast with Yelp founder and CEO Jeremy Stoppelman. He's a badass that has stood up against big names countless times to keep things fair for businesses. So I disagree.


Even so, Yelp is for angry soccer moms to vent. So still, fuck em.
Nov 13 2019 4:52PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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danbrownI briefly worked in management for a company in SLC that had a poor BBB rating as they previously did not have anyone monitoring open claims/complaints. I reached out to them and was assigned a direct BBB rep. The rep eventually ended up telling me that we could come to some sort of financial agreement to get the poor reviews wiped off the page. The figure ended up being too large for the decision makers at my company, but it just goes to show you that while the BBB can be a good barometer of a company's practices, their integrity is not exactly great and they're certainly not 100% honest and truthful.

thank you, this is the exact bullshit I'm referring to.

I'm not saying all those specific Saga reviews are untruthful, I'm saying the overall practices of BBB/related are so questionable that it's worth avoiding them altogether. Your last sentence sums that up quite well.

mehregan15Just listened to a podcast with Yelp founder and CEO Jeremy Stoppelman. He's a badass that has stood up against big names countless times to keep things fair for businesses. So I disagree.

see Dan Browns reply above, Yelp does the same shady shit. I too listened to that How I Built This episode, and I guess we can agree to disagree
Nov 13 2019 5:09PM
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mehregan15
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IanAvery-Leafthank you, this is the exact bullshit I'm referring to.

I'm not saying all those specific Saga reviews are untruthful, I'm saying the overall practices of BBB/related are so questionable that it's worth avoiding them altogether. Your last sentence sums that up quite well.


see Dan Browns reply above, Yelp does the same shady shit. I too listened to that How I Built This episode, and I guess we can agree to disagree


Not the episode I listened to, it was a Masters of Scale podcast. In this day and age, I'd say Yelp is far from "shady" considering they could make millions more if they did not control the quality of reviews on their site. Just because it's a platform that Karen's use to vent about managers doesn't make it inherently bad.
Nov 13 2019 5:12PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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mehregan15Not the episode I listened to, it was a Masters of Scale podcast. In this day and age, I'd say Yelp is far from "shady" considering they could make millions more if they did not control the quality of reviews on their site. Just because it's a platform that Karen's use to vent about managers doesn't make it inherently bad.

oh I assumed you meant How I Built This since that episode is recent, I'll check out Masters of Scale

but I was talking about @danbrown reply not @.nasty ... soccer moms/karens/venting is funny but not at all what we're talking about
Nov 13 2019 5:24PM
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.nasty
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IanAvery-Leafoh I assumed you meant How I Built This since that episode is recent, I'll check out Masters of Scale

but I was talking about @danbrown reply not @.nasty ... soccer moms/karens/venting is funny but not at all what we're talking about

Yes I can read. Wasn’t trying to actually add pertinent info, just saying fuck Yelp in any regard.
Nov 13 2019 5:32PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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.nastyYes I can read. Wasn’t trying to actually add pertinent info, just saying fuck Yelp in any regard.

alright now it's getting a tad confusing. I was replying to @mehregan15 since it seems like they thought I was talking about your reply, not @danbrown. I agree with your comments, it's true and important, just pretty separate from what Dan and I were talking about

I agree we're both on the same page of fuck yelp
Nov 13 2019 5:50PM
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mehregan15
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IanAvery-Leafoh I assumed you meant How I Built This since that episode is recent, I'll check out Masters of Scale

but I was talking about @danbrown reply not @.nasty ... soccer moms/karens/venting is funny but not at all what we're talking about


Yeah, BBB is shit, we agree, but Yelp doesn't do those things so...?
Nov 13 2019 6:39PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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mehregan15Yeah, BBB is shit, we agree, but Yelp doesn't do those things so...?

but they do....I encourage you to look into Yelp beyond that one podcast you listened to
Nov 13 2019 7:48PM
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DominatorJacques
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OMG it's a Yelper!


https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/944611/Best-South-Park-Clip----You-re-Not-Yelping-
Nov 13 2019 7:53PM
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gfanuckaa
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IanAvery-Leafthat's specifically why I started my reply with "separate from the Saga situation"

From what I skimmed on your links everything mentioned isn't new info and can be found in a variety of other places, including NS.... you mention regretting placing an order before reading BBB, is that seriously the first source you heard about any of the controversies surrounding Saga?

I still strongly stand by my point of fuck BBB/Yelp/etc.


I have a life dude and a family and a job . I haven’t been on NS in years. I came on here to understand why the hell I can’t get a phone call/ email back from this company this thread was at the top of ski Gabber coincidentally when I signed in, so I’m not the only one. I can tell you are a forum thread guy- probably going to respond to my comment again...
Nov 13 2019 8:15PM
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DominatorJacques
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Nov 13 2019 9:13PM
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