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icecoastshredderThe drinking culture surround skiing is really dumb and a turn off for me. I don’t like skiing drunk and I especially don’t like skiing hungover.
I don't like skiing or really any high risk activity and drinking. But skiing THEN drinking I am all about. Nothing like a glass of dark or amber beer after skiing.
This is a very niche observation but as a ski coach myself, I really do get annoyed sometimes when we get these families that sign their kids up for ski team that can struggle with the fundamentals. Some days it feels like ski school daycare because mom and dad don't want to deal with their kids and want to go take laps on their own. Stragglers do sometimes slow down the groups and especially when the rest of the group is keen to work on stuff and get after it. For all the parents on NS that may consider a freeski program for their kids: Please get them dialed on the basics. We run them through drills and everything but this isn't a free for all. We want to get kids on podium and hopefully living out their dreams
icecoastshredderI know, and I don’t really feel pressured by anyone to drink. I’m not trying to be judgemental either. I just think ppl slamming beers and acting like dumbasses in ski edits is lame
Skiing is on the verge of its first real renaissance since the New Canadian Air Force era, and NS/NSers are missing it. The user base and staff of this site are obsessed with an era of skiing that posterity will recall as being mostly uninspired, and characterized primarily by a culture of exclusivity.
hank.skiSkiing is on the verge of its first real renaissance since the New Canadian Air Force era, and NS/NSers are missing it. The user base and staff of this site are obsessed with an era of skiing that posterity will recall as being mostly uninspired, and characterized primarily by a culture of exclusivity.
Kind of agree. Freeski was born out of the rebelliousness that drove the action sports boom of the 90s and 2000s in an effort to break down stale culture. Once the so called golden era of freeskiing came a segment of the sport decided that's when changed and challenging culture needed to stop and that sentiment is very popular on this site.
hank.skiSkiing is on the verge of its first real renaissance since the New Canadian Air Force era, and NS/NSers are missing it. The user base and staff of this site are obsessed with an era of skiing that posterity will recall as being mostly uninspired, and characterized primarily by a culture of exclusivity.
Oh look, the non-binary skier is turning everything into an issue about sexuality and identity. I'M SHOCKED!
DeebieSkeebiesThis is a very niche observation but as a ski coach myself, I really do get annoyed sometimes when we get these families that sign their kids up for ski team that can struggle with the fundamentals. Some days it feels like ski school daycare because mom and dad don't want to deal with their kids and want to go take laps on their own. Stragglers do sometimes slow down the groups and especially when the rest of the group is keen to work on stuff and get after it. For all the parents on NS that may consider a freeski program for their kids: Please get them dialed on the basics. We run them through drills and everything but this isn't a free for all. We want to get kids on podium and hopefully living out their dreams
here's an unpopular opinion....... "freestyle/freeski" coaching shouldn't exist
DeebieSkeebiesThis is a very niche observation but as a ski coach myself, I really do get annoyed sometimes when we get these families that sign their kids up for ski team that can struggle with the fundamentals. Some days it feels like ski school daycare because mom and dad don't want to deal with their kids and want to go take laps on their own. Stragglers do sometimes slow down the groups and especially when the rest of the group is keen to work on stuff and get after it. For all the parents on NS that may consider a freeski program for their kids: Please get them dialed on the basics. We run them through drills and everything but this isn't a free for all. We want to get kids on podium and hopefully living out their dreams
As a coach I fully agree. In pretty much all the groups I've coached there's always been a split where I gotta focus on the basics with some kids while other kids have it dialed and are starting to expand their park skills. But for me the goal isn't really getting the kids on the podium. To me it's more about getting the kids in love with park skiing to the point where it's something they stick with after the coaching stops and that they find it super fulfilling throughout their adult life.
r00kieKind of agree. Freeski was born out of the rebelliousness that drove the action sports boom of the 90s and 2000s in an effort to break down stale culture. Once the so called golden era of freeskiing came a segment of the sport decided that's when changed and challenging culture needed to stop and that sentiment is very popular on this site.
Yeah, I agree with this phrasing too. There are so many old heads on this site and throughout the ski community who act like freeskiing was invented for them, and the vibe they give off leads me to think that if they were born 20 or 30 years earlier, they would have been the racers and mogul jocks resting on their laurels, shit-talking the punk teenagers bending the tails of their skis up.
DeebieSkeebiesThis is a very niche observation but as a ski coach myself, I really do get annoyed sometimes when we get these families that sign their kids up for ski team that can struggle with the fundamentals. Some days it feels like ski school daycare because mom and dad don't want to deal with their kids and want to go take laps on their own. Stragglers do sometimes slow down the groups and especially when the rest of the group is keen to work on stuff and get after it. For all the parents on NS that may consider a freeski program for their kids: Please get them dialed on the basics. We run them through drills and everything but this isn't a free for all. We want to get kids on podium and hopefully living out their dreams
Yo this is some elitist bullshit, and you definitely should not be viewing coaching this way. Unless you are a coach for the U.S. junior team or some other legitimate farm team, your job is to meet young skiers where they are at, and support them in the growth that they want, to achieve the goals that they want. If your program doesn't have a good system for grouping by skill level, that's a problem...but if you are looking tailoring your coaching to the best skier on the team, you're doing it wrong.
Also, I'm not talking out of my ass. I've been a coach, my brother runs a freestyle program that has coached up kids who are now olympians. This isn't the way.
hank.skiSkiing is on the verge of its first real renaissance since the New Canadian Air Force era, and NS/NSers are missing it. The user base and staff of this site are obsessed with an era of skiing that posterity will recall as being mostly uninspired, and characterized primarily by a culture of exclusivity.
Not trying to be a dick but I have no idea what you mean honestly. can you please explain yourself a bit more clearly lol.
DeebieSkeebiesThis is a very niche observation but as a ski coach myself, I really do get annoyed sometimes when we get these families that sign their kids up for ski team that can struggle with the fundamentals. Some days it feels like ski school daycare because mom and dad don't want to deal with their kids and want to go take laps on their own. Stragglers do sometimes slow down the groups and especially when the rest of the group is keen to work on stuff and get after it. For all the parents on NS that may consider a freeski program for their kids: Please get them dialed on the basics. We run them through drills and everything but this isn't a free for all. We want to get kids on podium and hopefully living out their dreams
I literally know nothing about coaching/ski schools, but couldn't you just tell these kids/parents that they need to be in a more junior level class? Seems like it could be a genuine liability to have a kid who doesn't know the basics yet in a park program.
hank.skiSkiing is on the verge of its first real renaissance since the New Canadian Air Force era, and NS/NSers are missing it. The user base and staff of this site are obsessed with an era of skiing that posterity will recall as being mostly uninspired, and characterized primarily by a culture of exclusivity.
first sentence is spot on. second sentence is wack
Jemspaying thousands of dollars for a mf to give you advice before you do a trick
you'd be surprised how much difference even a simple piece of advice can make. you can try learning a trick for months and keep fucking it up, and then someone gives you a suggestion/observation and you'll get it the next try.
not saying people should default to coaches, but it makes a huge difference esp for people who don't learn quickly on their own
SlowbroNot trying to be a dick but I have no idea what you mean honestly. can you please explain yourself a bit more clearly lol.
Yeah no worries.
I'm not going to go into all of the detail about the history of freeskiing because it's really dense, but suffice to say this: The 90s was an era of skiing that changed the sport completely, because a group of competitive skiers decided that the program and criteria of skiing developed by FIS and IOC was wack. This was the birth of the "newschool generation" of skiers (literally, newschooler used to be a word used to derogatorily characterize skiers whose style and terrain choice were being influenced by snowboarding). Our niche of the sport was born as an act of rebellion from the predominant financial and cultural institutions. The financial implications of this were massive, because the future of skiing was no longer in FIS's hands. Kids could climb the ranks and become professionals, nay rockstars, without paying 5 or 6 digits out to follow the "olympic path". Cases in point would be Candide, Seth Morrison, Sarah Burke, Ingrid Backstrom. Badasses, rebels, outside-the-box thinkers.
Fast forward 25 years, and Newschoolers is mostly a forum for discussing elite, enfranchised skiers and ski companies. We are still celebrating our niche of the sport, but it is no longer a rebellion from institutions that capitalize on making skiing inaccessible and expensive. We fed our ingenuity right back to institutions for a quick paycheck, and now X games and the olympics and a handful of fortune 500 companies own the rights to the most visible expressions of our sport and culture. NS likes to think of itself as subverting that culture because we make threads complaining about it, but on the whole, it's manufacturing the same sport culture that FIS and IOC want. We alienate newcomers from our sport with a culture of gatekeeping knowledge, shaming novice and inability (I could link to a hundred threads bashing people's edits, clothing style, music choice, etc... but I think you all know what I'm talking about). We laude skiers and film crews who have been doing pretty much the same thing over and over for 15 years. The most reputable personalities on this site are just grumpy washed up late 20-something dudes who have earned their clout by shit talking everything new and interesting.
But if you log off of NS and go outside, the world of Freeskiing is thriving. There are dozens of programs getting disenfranchised folks out on the slopes, turning fresh faces and perspectives into potential future visionaries for the sport. Films like The Approach and Spirit of the Peaks are telling stories that connect with people everywhere, not just skiers, and sharing our connection with the land, the history, and the potential of the future with a wider audience. Skiers and companies are taking accountability for our environmental impact, and finding creative ways to sustain the tenuous future of our sport. Social media communities are being grown on the premise of supporting all levels of ability and experience...not to mention breaking down barriers of exclusivity by providing knowledge that you could never find on a site like NS (i.e. how to start skiing, where you can find community as a newcomer, and how to understand the complex vernacular that we've created). Skiing is getting cool again, because people are taking steps to make it available for more people. And NS is just rewatching edits from rich park city kids, rehashing the same jokes with Jerrys (aka new skiers who are probably insecure about their ability) as the punchline, and complaining about the changes that don't prioritize them. We're missing the train.
Also just want to say this up front because I know people will read this the wrong way. I think that young kids out creating the culture are fucking rad. share your edits, discuss your learning experiences, that shit is cool as hell and exactly what this platform was made for. My critiques are reserved for the population of folks who want skiing and ski culture now to feel and look the exact way it did in the mid 2010s, which seems to be a majority of NSers.
**This post was edited on Jul 25th 2022 at 3:31:37pm
hank.skiAlso just want to say this up front because I know people will read this the wrong way. I think that young kids out creating the culture are fucking rad. share your edits, discuss your learning experiences, that shit is cool as hell and exactly what this platform was made for. My critiques are reserved for the population of folks who want skiing and ski culture now to feel and look the exact way it did in the mid 2010s, which seems to be a majority of NSers.
**This post was edited on Jul 25th 2022 at 3:31:37pm
hank.skiYo this is some elitist bullshit, and you definitely should not be viewing coaching this way. Unless you are a coach for the U.S. junior team or some other legitimate farm team, your job is to meet young skiers where they are at, and support them in the growth that they want, to achieve the goals that they want. If your program doesn't have a good system for grouping by skill level, that's a problem...but if you are looking tailoring your coaching to the best skier on the team, you're doing it wrong.
Also, I'm not talking out of my ass. I've been a coach, my brother runs a freestyle program that has coached up kids who are now olympians. This isn't the way.
You literally just described my day in/out duties as a National and Regional comp freeride coach so ty. Elitist or not, they're there to podium at the end of the day. I've been skiing with kids i know since they were 12 up to 18 so i don't think it's a tailoring issue at all. The development and growth of these young athletes comes with the drive to win and succeed and that's why every kid plays sports. I respect what you're saying but also disagree. Comp skiing isn't a cup cake social everyday
**This post was edited on Jul 25th 2022 at 5:29:18pm
GrandThingsI literally know nothing about coaching/ski schools, but couldn't you just tell these kids/parents that they need to be in a more junior level class? Seems like it could be a genuine liability to have a kid who doesn't know the basics yet in a park program.
It's not so much a liability like having someone fresh out of ski school joining a team because they do have fun at the end of the day. But also you can't just tell parents spending good money on tuition, training, travel costs, etc. That their child needs to essentially "learn how to ski" because that boat was missed if they didn't get those skills built before. We can only do so much without re teaching everyone so you have to be extremely careful when telling a parent that their kid can't hang.
Plus you can't just like throw a kid who is say 15/16/17 or so into a group of kids that are younger because age gaps do matter at early stages in kids lives and that messes with them mentally. After a while with repetition and enough time on skis they figure it out. Like we had athletes that struggled immensely at the start of the winter end up in top 5 positions at comps come spring time so something must be working. Some kids just learn by watching and feeling and no one is specifically one type of learner
**This post was edited on Jul 25th 2022 at 5:36:35pm
And meeting with families is a very delicate balance of seeing how we can all meet in the middle in terms of goals and expectations but it usually works out in the end. We do have problematic families but we try our best to make it work. Issues with athletes off the hill does get in the way of on-hill activities and we try to provide mentorship, but everyone's parenting styles are different and teenagers are gonna be teenagers. I don't see that as an elitist viewpoint at all. I was once a dumbass ski team kid myself so i get what they go through in terms of pressure and expectations from all over
**This post was edited on Jul 25th 2022 at 5:40:51pm
**This post was edited on Jul 25th 2022 at 5:42:03pm
I'm not going to go into all of the detail about the history of freeskiing because it's really dense, but suffice to say this: The 90s was an era of skiing that changed the sport completely, because a group of competitive skiers decided that the program and criteria of skiing developed by FIS and IOC was wack. This was the birth of the "newschool generation" of skiers (literally, newschooler used to be a word used to derogatorily characterize skiers whose style and terrain choice were being influenced by snowboarding). Our niche of the sport was born as an act of rebellion from the predominant financial and cultural institutions. The financial implications of this were massive, because the future of skiing was no longer in FIS's hands. Kids could climb the ranks and become professionals, nay rockstars, without paying 5 or 6 digits out to follow the "olympic path". Cases in point would be Candide, Seth Morrison, Sarah Burke, Ingrid Backstrom. Badasses, rebels, outside-the-box thinkers.
Fast forward 25 years, and Newschoolers is mostly a forum for discussing elite, enfranchised skiers and ski companies. We are still celebrating our niche of the sport, but it is no longer a rebellion from institutions that capitalize on making skiing inaccessible and expensive. We fed our ingenuity right back to institutions for a quick paycheck, and now X games and the olympics and a handful of fortune 500 companies own the rights to the most visible expressions of our sport and culture. NS likes to think of itself as subverting that culture because we make threads complaining about it, but on the whole, it's manufacturing the same sport culture that FIS and IOC want. We alienate newcomers from our sport with a culture of gatekeeping knowledge, shaming novice and inability (I could link to a hundred threads bashing people's edits, clothing style, music choice, etc... but I think you all know what I'm talking about). We laude skiers and film crews who have been doing pretty much the same thing over and over for 15 years. The most reputable personalities on this site are just grumpy washed up late 20-something dudes who have earned their clout by shit talking everything new and interesting.
But if you log off of NS and go outside, the world of Freeskiing is thriving. There are dozens of programs getting disenfranchised folks out on the slopes, turning fresh faces and perspectives into potential future visionaries for the sport. Films like The Approach and Spirit of the Peaks are telling stories that connect with people everywhere, not just skiers, and sharing our connection with the land, the history, and the potential of the future with a wider audience. Skiers and companies are taking accountability for our environmental impact, and finding creative ways to sustain the tenuous future of our sport. Social media communities are being grown on the premise of supporting all levels of ability and experience...not to mention breaking down barriers of exclusivity by providing knowledge that you could never find on a site like NS (i.e. how to start skiing, where you can find community as a newcomer, and how to understand the complex vernacular that we've created). Skiing is getting cool again, because people are taking steps to make it available for more people. And NS is just rewatching edits from rich park city kids, rehashing the same jokes with Jerrys (aka new skiers who are probably insecure about their ability) as the punchline, and complaining about the changes that don't prioritize them. We're missing the train.
LOL your response was definitely not long enough. Why aren't you doing something more productive like watching Rachel Maddow?
Oh..yeah that actually makes sense. I guess I assumed that the team you coach for was a development team, not a comp team. Tbh I'm surprised that parents are chucking their grom kids into a comp team without experience....are there programs tailored to developmental athletes at your hill?
DeebieSkeebiesYou literally just described my day in/out duties as a National and Regional comp freeride coach so ty. Elitist or not, they're there to podium at the end of the day. I've been skiing with kids i know since they were 12 up to 18 so i don't think it's a tailoring issue at all. The development and growth of these young athletes comes with the drive to win and succeed and that's why every kid plays sports. I respect what you're saying but also disagree. Comp skiing isn't a cup cake social everyday
**This post was edited on Jul 25th 2022 at 5:29:18pm
**This post was edited on Jul 26th 2022 at 10:56:31pm
hank.skiBro you're gonna be at deaths door with your life flashing before your eyes and it's just gonna be a montage of keyboard warrior antics 😑
Bro, you're going to be at death's door with your life flashing before your eyes and it'll be a montage of multi-paragraph responses on a ski website and arguing on Twitter with Russian bots about gender identity.
skiermanBro, you're going to be at death's door with your life flashing before your eyes and it'll be a montage of multi-paragraph responses on a ski website and arguing on Twitter with Russian bots about gender identity.
skiermanBro, you're going to be at death's door with your life flashing before your eyes and it'll be a montage of multi-paragraph responses on a ski website and arguing on Twitter with Russian bots about gender identity.
DUDE, MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENTS!
Please die ❤️
**This post was edited on Jul 28th 2022 at 9:11:34pm
Idk if it’s really unpopular but k2’s snowboarding videos are way better than their ski. Kinda sad considering the amazing like up k2 has. Or maybe they’re snowboarding marketing team put more money into street projects and personal stuff than ski. Most of their ski videos are pow skiing too :/
Below is three of my favorite videos from k2 snowboarding. They have put out three movies in two years and the vintage sponsor park video along with some other park/bc videos
WoFlowzIdk if it’s really unpopular but k2’s snowboarding videos are way better than their ski. Kinda sad considering the amazing like up k2 has.
K2 must be going thru some sorta revamp/revival because a few different Bombhole guest have talked some shit about them as a company (Nick Dirks getting let go after a long career with them, Cooper Whittier mentioning that they don't pay their Dustbox riders etc...)
