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ReturnToMonkeyWait you didn't hear about the cloning factory in Summit County?
FruitBootProI wanna see skierman's best trick
Farmville420If Sam Zahner was born in 1990 he would be Tom wallisch
Jemswhat???????
asparagusI think there’s a ton of rail skiers that could have blown up, but I think a lot of people forget how ahead of his time Tom was
Farmville420Idk man, Tom blew up in college when he was in his 20s skiing 5 days a week at Park City. Zahner lived in jersey his whole life and had better rail tricks than 90% of pros at the age of 15.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/815077/Sam-Zahner-Season-Recap-2011--12
I don’t think people realize how many people were on Wally’s level in the late 2000s early 2010s. Hell I would even say Dale Talkington was probably the most talented park and street athlete during that timeframe and he was in high school too. I’m all for giving Bob walnuts shot loads of credit but he wasn’t *lightyears* ahead of everyone else, that’s discrediting so many kids riding during that time. he just happened to make all the right moves and pump out iconic edits and grow his audience bigger than anyone else’s.
Farmville420I don’t think people realize how many people were on Wally’s level in the late 2000s early 2010s. Hell I would even say Dale Talkington was probably the most talented park and street athlete during that timeframe and he was in high school too. I’m all for giving Bob walnuts shot loads of credit but he wasn’t *lightyears* ahead of everyone else, that’s discrediting so many kids riding during that time. he just happened to make all the right moves and pump out iconic edits and grow his audience bigger than anyone else’s.
danbrowneh sorry this is completely inaccurate. the number of people that were on toms level in the late 2000s early 2010s was exactly zero. tom learned tricks at an unfathomable pace and got better literally every single day. there has never been a rate of progression like his - he was absurdly versatile, nobody could ever touch his superunknown. he also had better style than 100% of people doing it. theres a reason he won every single comp for like 2 years straight and put out better video parts than anyone else at the same time. you saying "he just happened to make all the right moves and pump out iconic edits and grow his audience bigger than anyone else’s" is one of the most insane and misguided things ive ever read on this website. theres a reason his name is as big as it is, its totally justified and youre fucking clueless if you think otherwise
Farmville420Kind of proving my point, zahners progression was fucked, he pumped out shit tons of videos, he was tech as fuck, and if he was born a decade earlier he’d be Tom wallisch.
and it’s crazy youre saying stuff like “the people on his level was zero” when Bobby brown was throwing triples in 2010 like what??
danbrownlol you don’t know what you’re talking about. sam is good. tom swept comps for 2 years straight while putting out film parts. bobby brown did a triple, fantastic. show me his urban parts
ReturnToMonkeyThere were people as stylish as Tom Wallisch and people with as big a trick bag. But ^ hit the nail on the head that Twall had by far the most versatility looking back. He could do it all. Win comps, put out sick street segments, ski some pow pretty well (especially for an east coaster ;) ), and do it all while having the right attitude and style. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like there was pretty much nothing to critique him on.
danbrownlol you don’t know what you’re talking about. sam is good. tom swept comps for 2 years straight while putting out film parts. bobby brown did a triple, fantastic. show me his urban parts
Farmville420Idk man, Tom blew up in college when he was in his 20s skiing 5 days a week at Park City. Zahner lived in jersey his whole life and had better rail tricks than 90% of pros at the age of 15.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/815077/Sam-Zahner-Season-Recap-2011--12
I don’t think people realize how many people were on Wally’s level in the late 2000s early 2010s. Hell I would even say Dale Talkington was probably the most talented park and street athlete during that timeframe and he was in high school too. I’m all for giving Bob walnuts shot loads of credit but he wasn’t *lightyears* ahead of everyone else, that’s discrediting so many kids riding during that time. he just happened to make all the right moves and pump out iconic edits and grow his audience bigger than anyone else’s.
hi_vis360I had already been watching ski videos for 5 or 6 years when twall started dropping edits and I remember being so blown away by how cool he made skiing look. I think you’re focusing way too much on tricks and not enough on style. Twalls style was so on point that it literally became the standard for proper execution in slopestyle, countless skiers have emulated him. Dale was on fire at the same time but his impact on the sport wasn’t even close to the same.
thankagaperdale talkington took his $100,000 payments from nike chosen,
never produced anything, ever, again...
real skiers deserved real careers, tom wallich and crew bullied the sport to its death.
Farmville420Kind of proving my point, zahners progression was fucked, he pumped out shit tons of videos, he was tech as fuck, and if he was born a decade earlier he’d be Tom wallisch.
and it’s crazy youre saying stuff like “the people on his level was zero” when Bobby brown was throwing triples in 2010 like what??
asparagusyou can argue all you want but tom still had better style than anyone more tech than him
Farmville420Kind of proving my point, zahners progression was fucked, he pumped out shit tons of videos, he was tech as fuck, and if he was born a decade earlier he’d be Tom wallisch.
and it’s crazy youre saying stuff like “the people on his level was zero” when Bobby brown was throwing triples in 2010 like what??
skiermanYo, you're so totally right. You make complete sense. Sam is the best and he would have been Tom Wallisch if Tom Wallisch never existed and Sam was born in his place.
skiermanYo, you're so totally right. You make complete sense. Sam is the best and he would have been Tom Wallisch if Tom Wallisch never existed and Sam was born in his place.
danbrownhaha right. big gaper vibes
Farmville420https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/774204/Dale-Talkington-Spring-Edit
I can’t let you say stuff like that when edits like this exist
Farmville420Idk man, Tom blew up in college when he was in his 20s skiing 5 days a week at Park City. Zahner lived in jersey his whole life and had better rail tricks than 90% of pros at the age of 15.
CT_CREWWallisch grew up skiing in Pennsylvania, Maryland, and West Virginia. Learned tricks in shit ice parks, and backyards, where he started revolutionizing style, and put the "pretzel on the map in a big way (from what I remember his rail tricks where more progressive and steezier than most established pros at the time) . before college he won the West Virginia Open which got you an invite to the Vermont Open, I cant remember exactly how he placed there, but pretty sure it landed him a spot at the US Open. After that it was an invite to maybe the first JOSS as a complete AM, where he threw the F down on those massive jumps. Then he moved out west for college, and rode real parks all day and completely blew up.
not trying to D ride Tom (he aint no Delorme), but he put in work on shitty South East mountains and got good as F.
also not hating on Zahner he is a dope rider, but I started seeing him pretty regularly at Keystone A51 when he was like 16ish I believe, so not really sure what your saying with "jersey his whole life"
Guess my point is learn ya history boi!
this whole argument is also dumb...Tom is dope for being tom, zahner is dope for being zahner, etc. to each there own.
Farmville420You make good points but I’m confused about 1 thing, zahner didn’t move out west until he was also in his early 20s as well (same time as Tom did in his career). Sam and his crew made annual trips to film for beast coast but other than those 1 week film trips idk what ur talking about, maybe you were watching a different 16 year old?
CT_CREWhaha for the record, I aint into watching 16 year olds, that don't sound right.
but ya annual trips to Key from early on, then moving west while still young.. You made it sound like Tom was born at Camp Woodward somewhere in Utah, While Zahner lived in Jersey honing his tricks in the backyard until the Age of 70.
Anyway what is the argument again Sam Zahner would look like Tom Wallisch if he was born on the same day? Or Tom Wallisch is actually Dale Talkington? I'm down.
SlowbroHatveit was on Toms level both on rails and jumps. His street stuff was amazing but there isn’t as much of it compared to Tom.
Farmville420Good shout dude, Hatveit was fucking crazy, unlocked a hidden memory
SlowbroNow you have to watch every TGP edit
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/912111/TGP-6
Farmville420The original argument doesn’t even matter I was flying back to Connecticut for a wedding and needed to invent something to talk about to keep me from being bored on the plane lol
But yeah I was thinking about similarities between skiers and those two seem identical to me in terms of like being prodigies and dumping content for years and moving west and blowing up so I just worded it like a buzz feed headline and here we are lol
i still believe almost all of the stuff I said, but I’m also pretty biased for VT riders lol
SlowbroGus was also on Tom's level IMO, had bc and street parts in Rage and MSP movies while also competing in all three disciplines. Super smooth style too if not as unique as Tom's.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1046547/Gus-Kenworthy---All-4-Dub-12-s
danbrowneh sorry this is completely inaccurate. the number of people that were on toms level in the late 2000s early 2010s was exactly zero. tom learned tricks at an unfathomable pace and got better literally every single day. there has never been a rate of progression like his - he was absurdly versatile, nobody could ever touch his superunknown. he also had better style than 100% of people doing it. theres a reason he won every single comp for like 2 years straight and put out better video parts than anyone else at the same time. you saying "he just happened to make all the right moves and pump out iconic edits and grow his audience bigger than anyone else’s" is one of the most insane and misguided things ive ever read on this website. theres a reason his name is as big as it is, its totally justified and youre fucking clueless if you think otherwise
SlowbroGus was also on Tom's level IMO, had bc and street parts in Rage and MSP movies while also competing in all three disciplines. Super smooth style too if not as unique as Tom's.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1046547/Gus-Kenworthy---All-4-Dub-12-s
ReturnToMonkeyThe sideways/revert landings pros have been doing a lot lately look uncool and ruin the tricks
skiermanOh you mean the stupid fucking "shuffles" The Bunch was pushing when in reality they were just sloppy ass landings?
Yeah, you're a few years late on this one, kid.
ReturnToMonkeyI mean it seems like it's a newish trend amongst non-swerve skiers recently. I know it's not a new thing
icecoastshredderThe drinking culture surround skiing is really dumb and a turn off for me. I don’t like skiing drunk and I especially don’t like skiing hungover.
Rparrthere is no need to participate in it. I personally hate drinking, I have put alcohol in my body less than 10 times in my life. I've had no issue skiing loads over the years without feeling the need or pressure to drink.
If you are constantly being pressured to drink by the people you ski with, find new people to ski with. Most people will have no issue with your decision to not want to drink + ski
**This post was edited on Jul 21st 2022 at 5:05:14pm
