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.MASSHOLE.
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Well, the season hasn't even ended for some lucky few out in CO and UT, but DPS has already teased us with a picture of a new pair of skis. Looks VERY different than what they normally produce.

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May 18 2016 4:11PM
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cydwhit
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patagonialukeAlso for some reason they ran the drawcord across the open part of the fishtail area of the hem which looks ridiculously stupid IMO, if I had one I'd snip that the moment I got it. It's a tiny detail but drove me crazy when I saw it.


Ewwwwwwww. Scisors.
Feb 10 2017 10:39AM
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Jelle
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patagonialukeBalfour comes back, they're replacing the sherwin with a longer, fishtail parka that looks pretty sweet, definitely more resort oriented though. They've got a "soft shell" kit for men and women that's cool, fabric doesn't have the most impressive specs though (10k/10k if I remember correctly)

Then they're doing a sweater with synth insulated sleeves which looks pretty cool, and a really puffy down parka that is supposed to be 800 full, with plenty of it, and be much less expensive than other options out there


Ah okay, interesting. Is there any pictures of the new line or?
Feb 10 2017 2:42PM
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FitzRoy
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What colours is the balfour going to be available in and do you have any information on the vector series pants?
Feb 10 2017 6:43PM
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loganimlach
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gapersarefriendsWhat changes were made to the jj besides the tips and tails? And still offered in a 195?


Cole9So sad what armada did with the jj for 2018 but I guess I can't knock it till I try it. Mainly sad to see the name go and change.


JJ 2.0 was about 4 years old now so it was time for a revamp. As far as changes: decreased the taper angle and moved the widest point forward to just in front of the contact point which results in a more consistent turn initiation and less of a divey feeling in variable terrain. Allows you to ski it with more of an aggressive stance IMO. Increased the sidecut a little bit (don't worry, still on the tight side as far as pow skis go) to make it fit a little better with the ARV line and make it a little less dodgy. Added in our take on a bevelled nose which keeps a full steel wrap for durability and doesn't have an insert which makes it much lighter than another industry alternative.

Seeing as we introduced the Tracer line which will hopefully take some of the "older" crowd that currently skis the JJ, we wanted to make this one much more freestyle focused, back to what the original JJ was intended for.
Feb 10 2017 8:28PM
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a_burger
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patagonialukeBalfour comes back, they're replacing the sherwin with a longer, fishtail parka that looks pretty sweet, definitely more resort oriented though. They've got a "soft shell" kit for men and women that's cool, fabric doesn't have the most impressive specs though (10k/10k if I remember correctly)


fishtail parkas are dope, what are the colorways?
Feb 10 2017 10:58PM
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gapersarefriends
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loganimlachJJ 2.0 was about 4 years old now so it was time for a revamp. As far as changes: decreased the taper angle and moved the widest point forward to just in front of the contact point which results in a more consistent turn initiation and less of a divey feeling in variable terrain. Allows you to ski it with more of an aggressive stance IMO. Increased the sidecut a little bit (don't worry, still on the tight side as far as pow skis go) to make it fit a little better with the ARV line and make it a little less dodgy. Added in our take on a bevelled nose which keeps a full steel wrap for durability and doesn't have an insert which makes it much lighter than another industry alternative.

Seeing as we introduced the Tracer line which will hopefully take some of the "older" crowd that currently skis the JJ, we wanted to make this one much more freestyle focused, back to what the original JJ was intended for.


So a little chargier then too with the widest point moved up? Cause that'll skip ya over shit instead of going under it? I'm drunk and trying to decipher knowledge
Feb 10 2017 11:59PM
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loganimlach
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gapersarefriendsSo a little chargier then too with the widest point moved up? Cause that'll skip ya over shit instead of going under it? I'm drunk and trying to decipher knowledge


Yup
Feb 11 2017 8:10AM
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Cole9
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loganimlachJJ 2.0 was about 4 years old now so it was time for a revamp. As far as changes: decreased the taper angle and moved the widest point forward to just in front of the contact point which results in a more consistent turn initiation and less of a divey feeling in variable terrain. Allows you to ski it with more of an aggressive stance IMO. Increased the sidecut a little bit (don't worry, still on the tight side as far as pow skis go) to make it fit a little better with the ARV line and make it a little less dodgy. Added in our take on a bevelled nose which keeps a full steel wrap for durability and doesn't have an insert which makes it much lighter than another industry alternative.

Seeing as we introduced the Tracer line which will hopefully take some of the "older" crowd that currently skis the JJ, we wanted to make this one much more freestyle focused, back to what the original JJ was intended for.


Thanks for the info I'll have to try out the tracer series next year
Feb 11 2017 10:21PM
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Session
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Feb 12 2017 7:55PM
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Zypher
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Session


*Foams at mouth*
Feb 12 2017 10:08PM
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.[sanhedrin].
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Armada::

https://youtu.be/EzAMIGIDr6g
Feb 14 2017 8:11PM
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.lencon
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https://instagram.com/p/BQqPphwF17z/

Steeple 116.. yeah I'm getting a pair of these.
Feb 18 2017 5:27PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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.lenconhttps://instagram.com/p/BQqPphwF17z/

Steeple 116.. yeah I'm getting a pair of these.


AKA BG Lite I'm guessing.
Feb 19 2017 6:17PM
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scratchskier321
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has there been any SIA or ISPO coverage of 4frnt?
Feb 21 2017 1:17AM
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hot.pocket
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scratchskier321has there been any SIA or ISPO coverage of 4frnt?


I don't believe 4frnt was at SIA this year.
Feb 21 2017 1:08PM
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patagonialuke
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scratchskier321has there been any SIA or ISPO coverage of 4frnt?


They were not at SIA.

Only coverage I've seen has been what I can google translate from some European sites:

https://www.friflyt.no/Ski/Her-er-neste-aars-nyheter-fra-4frnt
Feb 21 2017 2:28PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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So, is Seth still on FT?

Because he is skiing tech bindings a lot and I can't ID these boots

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRKe9wNjPqJ/?taken-by=sethmorrison36
Mar 4 2017 9:22PM
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therealsassy
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anyone got any close ups of the chetlers?
Mar 4 2017 9:35PM
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gapersarefriends
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.MASSHOLE.So, is Seth still on FT?

Because he is skiing tech bindings a lot and I can't ID these boots

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRKe9wNjPqJ/?taken-by=sethmorrison36


John kutcher posted on his insta using a tech setup with full tilts too.

Also was at an armada/4frnt demo day. Only rode the 4frnt massif and renegades as everything else was too short for a foot of fresh. New jj's look really really good, tracers look interesting too. Bummed they were all ~180cm
Mar 4 2017 11:15PM
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patagonialuke
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.MASSHOLE.So, is Seth still on FT?

Because he is skiing tech bindings a lot and I can't ID these boots

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRKe9wNjPqJ/?taken-by=sethmorrison36


Full Tilt's been working on a boot with tech fittings for a while now, still not sure how close to production the design is (wasn't shown at SIA).

Bigger question is who is making Seth's all gray skis
Mar 6 2017 12:00AM
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GayWolf420
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scratchskier321has there been any SIA or ISPO coverage of 4frnt?


there was a post a few pages back that had detail. things worth noting were no more YLE for next year (bummed, one of my favorite skis), inthaynes are a cool ski, devastators are still there I think, and the kye lineup looks very sexy.
Mar 6 2017 12:30AM
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PowPirate
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patagonialukeFull Tilt's been working on a boot with tech fittings for a while now, still not sure how close to production the design is (wasn't shown at SIA).

Bigger question is who is making Seth's all gray skis


i had a feeling he was on black crow. not sure though, i think the brand would be a good fit but the shape looks way off. i've noticed his been posting way more on social media. goes to show you really need that online presence now and can't just sit back on your reputation
Mar 6 2017 2:24AM
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.lencon
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PowPiratei had a feeling he was on black crow. not sure though, i think the brand would be a good fit but the shape looks way off. i've noticed his been posting way more on social media. goes to show you really need that online presence now and can't just sit back on your reputation


I made a thread about him being on Black Crow. Didn't get much attention. I have heard from numerous places that he is on Black Crow though..

Guess we will see, would be kinda cool to see a film part from him again.
Mar 6 2017 3:30AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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patagonialukeFull Tilt's been working on a boot with tech fittings for a while now, still not sure how close to production the design is (wasn't shown at SIA).

Bigger question is who is making Seth's all gray skis

Oh I know they have been, just wondering if perhaps anyone else had some industry insider info 😉

The ski question is great. Black Crows would make sense since he's in Cham a lot. But if so, why hide it?
Mar 6 2017 6:09AM
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.lencon
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.MASSHOLE.Oh I know they have been, just wondering if perhaps anyone else had some industry insider info 😉

The ski question is great. Black Crows would make sense since he's in Cham a lot. But if so, why hide it?


Paperwork and marketing and what not. Lots of pros picking up companies or switching companies dont announce it for a while. Just that business side of skiing
Mar 6 2017 1:02PM
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.nasty
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I rode the lift with Seth at crested butte and when I asked him about the skis he said "they're the ones I bought" hahaha he just when on to say that he can't reveal anything until everything is set in stone and all that. Business blah blah like stated above.
Mar 6 2017 4:43PM
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cozyco
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I like the shape of his current skis. reminds me of k2 pinnacle skis and some dps shapes.
Mar 6 2017 6:27PM
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rclover106
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Did anyone get an inside look at the new Smith Code helmet? I'm trying to decide if the earpads can be taken out. Here is a picture of goggles under the helmet

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQA0IPbhSP2/?tagged=smithcode


It just looks like the whole liner has to come out according to this picture.
If that is the case, I would imagine the fit would change quite a bit. Anyone got any input?

Mar 6 2017 8:23PM
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cydwhit
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rclover106Did anyone get an inside look at the new Smith Code helmet? I'm trying to decide if the earpads can be taken out. Here is a picture of goggles under the helmet

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQA0IPbhSP2/?tagged=smithcode


It just looks like the whole liner has to come out according to this picture.
If that is the case, I would imagine the fit would change quite a bit. Anyone got any input?



Yeah, I / the lady has one. The whole liner can come out, would alter fit considerably. Earpads are part of liner if I remember correctly though.
Mar 6 2017 9:22PM
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rclover106
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cydwhitYeah, I / the lady has one. The whole liner can come out, would alter fit considerably. Earpads are part of liner if I remember correctly though.


Thanks for the info. so would a beanie be a suitable replacement for the liner or would it be best to leave it in, in your opinion?
Mar 6 2017 10:16PM
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cydwhit
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rclover106Thanks for the info. so would a beanie be a suitable replacement for the liner or would it be best to leave it in, in your opinion?



I think a beanie would be fine. Helmet with liner was just too small for my head, thus the fact that the lady is using it and not me.
Mar 6 2017 10:18PM
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rclover106
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cydwhitI think a beanie would be fine. Helmet with liner was just too small for my head, thus the fact that the lady is using it and not me.


Alright, thanks so much man.
Mar 6 2017 10:24PM
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PowPirate
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.lenconI made a thread about him being on Black Crow. Didn't get much attention. I have heard from numerous places that he is on Black Crow though..

Guess we will see, would be kinda cool to see a film part from him again.


awh maybe that was it!!

100% agree with the film part. he was one of the first skiers i fell in love with. still rock his signature crowbars after what must be like 8 years!!
Mar 7 2017 2:24AM
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Swandog7
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catalogue for next years Saga stuff
Mar 7 2017 7:46PM
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Swandog7
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Swandog7


catalogue for next years Saga stuff


fuck


https://issuu.com/sagaouterwear/docs/saga_catalog-17-18-v8/12
Mar 7 2017 7:48PM
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.lencon
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Swandog7fuck


https://issuu.com/sagaouterwear/docs/saga_catalog-17-18-v8/12


Peeped the apparel for tha ladies.. ya know in case I wanna spoil the lady I dont have.
Kinda disappointed.. all the jackets are under 20k.. guess saga really does wanna get the ladies wet.
Mar 7 2017 8:00PM
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Swandog7
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.lenconPeeped the apparel for tha ladies.. ya know in case I wanna spoil the lady I dont have.
Kinda disappointed.. all the jackets are under 20k.. guess saga really does wanna get the ladies wet.


Saga is atleast expanding which is general decent after they seemed to condense last season. Couple new jackets for mens, all new women line up, new packs and mitts. I did notice there was nothing at 20K which was gross, and the lifestyle clothing is always bland in the same color ways every year (grey, black, white). I think next season they are emphasizing a broader range of products. I have like $50 gift card to blow so ill probably grab like a hoodie or something
Mar 7 2017 8:50PM
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patagonialuke
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.lenconPeeped the apparel for tha ladies.. ya know in case I wanna spoil the lady I dont have.
Kinda disappointed.. all the jackets are under 20k.. guess saga really does wanna get the ladies wet.


I would agree that not doing 20K/20K is a poor choice as far as a statement of quality, but the difference in waterproofing is not very different. I have never wet out any Polartec NeoShell stuff, and that only has a 10K waterproofing rating. You really don't experience that sort of water pressure in everyday activities, even skiing. DWR quality would probably be more important. Hope Saga continues to innovate with the women's line though, there's a pretty substantial lack of quality in that area.
Mar 7 2017 9:31PM
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Zypher
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patagonialukeI would agree that not doing 20K/20K is a poor choice as far as a statement of quality, but the difference in waterproofing is not very different. I have never wet out any Polartec NeoShell stuff, and that only has a 10K waterproofing rating. You really don't experience that sort of water pressure in everyday activities, even skiing. DWR quality would probably be more important. Hope Saga continues to innovate with the women's line though, there's a pretty substantial lack of quality in that area.


Did they start out the men's line with the monarch in 20k tho? I'm not a saga historian but I believe they started out with some basic men's stuff and then branched out to better equipment. If I had to guess, I'd say they're testing the waters with the women's line to see how well it is received and maybe in the next few years we can start to see a wider variety of women's outerwear with better tech specs.
Mar 8 2017 12:07AM
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Saga.
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ZypherDid they start out the men's line with the monarch in 20k tho? I'm not a saga historian but I believe they started out with some basic men's stuff and then branched out to better equipment. If I had to guess, I'd say they're testing the waters with the women's line to see how well it is received and maybe in the next few years we can start to see a wider variety of women's outerwear with better tech specs.


Nail on the head. Launching any new product line you want to go with what you are more sure will be accepted and then use that feedback to grow future products.
Mar 8 2017 10:03AM
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Deepskier
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Been trying to get my hands on a 17/18 armada softgoods and or Zero catalog if anyone has one.
Mar 14 2017 1:06AM
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Deepskier
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Apr 18 2017 10:44PM
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Kbob94
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Deepskier


Super sick ski! the whole collection for new year is looking really badass. What are your thoughts on the 3L gore tex pin tail jacket and pant combo?
Apr 19 2017 8:47PM
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Deepskier
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Kbob94Super sick ski! the whole collection for new year is looking really badass. What are your thoughts on the 3L gore tex pin tail jacket and pant combo?


No idea haven't been able to get my hands on a zero or softgoods lookbook, even though Ive talked to a few people about it. Pisses me off.
Apr 19 2017 8:50PM
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Kbob94
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DeepskierNo idea haven't been able to get my hands on a zero or softgoods lookbook, even though Ive talked to a few people about it. Pisses me off.


oh ok gotcha makes sense. Im definitely getting the al dente zero next season. such a badass ski
Apr 19 2017 8:52PM
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Deepskier
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Yeah wasnt crazy about the graphic on it for next year, Id take the zero this year tho. Love next years edollo tho, thinking about getting a pair of those or maybe arv 96s. Leaning to the dollos tho.
Apr 19 2017 8:55PM
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Deepskier
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God damn it I know someone out there has an armada zero or softgoods lookbook.
Apr 24 2017 10:10PM
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SofaKingSick
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DeepskierGod damn it I know someone out there has an armada zero or softgoods lookbook.


Where is the best place to see the rest of the selection?
Apr 24 2017 11:01PM
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Deepskier
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SofaKingSickWhere is the best place to see the rest of the selection?


I don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic. But I have looked all over the internet, weird Japanese sights, their website, google, talked to reps without answer and the closest shop that carries armada is 3 hours from me and they don't have much.
Apr 25 2017 12:04AM
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SofaKingSick
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DeepskierI don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic. But I have looked all over the internet, weird Japanese sights, their website, google, talked to reps without answer and the closest shop that carries armada is 3 hours from me and they don't have much.


Oh yeah I just meant where's the best place online to look at next year's armada lineup
Apr 25 2017 8:38AM
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