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DANNY.Hi have never once said they arent following their religion, but the percentage of terrorist muslims in the world is less than 1% of all muslims. they do not speak for all muslims.

yes you did a tremendous job of googling "horrible things the Quran says" well done you, but you forget to highlight all the beautiful things it states as well.

I basically just did your job for you since you aren't capable of making any effort on your own.

Great- the Qur'an says horrible, beautiful, praiseworthy, vicious, and morally contradictory things. Islam is doing a great job trying to turn people into schizophrenics who believe there "is no compulsion in religion" and that we should "kill them wherever you find them".

I also never made this conversation about the people following the ideology- just the ideology itself. We can and should separate the two. But keep fishing, I find this incredibly entertaining nonetheless.

onenerdykidI basically just did your job for you since you aren't capable of making any effort on your own.

Great- the Qur'an says horrible, beautiful, praiseworthy, vicious, and morally contradictory things. Islam is doing a great job trying to turn people into schizophrenics who believe there "is no compulsion in religion" and that we should "kill them wherever you find them".

I also never made this conversation about the people following the ideology- just the ideology itself. We can and should separate the two. But keep fishing, I find this incredibly entertaining nonetheless.

please tell me you have watched four lions?

DANNY.Hplease tell me you have watched four lions?

Not yet, but I will. It does look interesting, and it looks like the director spent a good deal of time on the movie/research. But I do have my doubts that a satirical black comedy will change my mind about the ideological problems in the Qur'an, Hadiths, and the causal relation those problems have with the problems our societies face. But, I will give it a look.

onenerdykidNot yet, but I will. It does look interesting, and it looks like the director spent a good deal of time on the movie/research. But I do have my doubts that a satirical black comedy will change my mind about the ideological problems in the Qur'an, Hadiths, and the causal relation those problems have with the problems our societies face. But, I will give it a look.

i am not saying it will at all. Besides the fact that it is funny as fuck, there is some brilliant comparisons to the muslim faith highlighted in the film, which if anything fall in line with what you have said

Gods_FatherSo if a group of people is rounding masses up to be executed, you wouldn't try to defend your family? Haha
oh, I'm right wing? Ignorant goof lol.

Oh man, how old are you? You evidently have zero idea about the responsibility a parent has towards their kid and family. The goal of a parent is the ensure the survival of their child/children/family. By attempting to fight back one would be almost guaranteeing the death of their family through either collateral damage or punishment for fighting back.

By the way, tell that argument to POWs. I am sure they would tell you surrendering and trying to survive is x10000 a better idea than resisting.

CampeadorYour previous responses would indicate that you were at work. Speaking of barely completing high school, it sounds like a high school grad could do your job, you spend all day fucking around on the internet.

Furthermore, you're full of more shit than anyone on this site. Care to mention how many of the first 10,000 "refugees" are persecuted Christians or Yazidis? I think its only around 46 or so.

The fact that you would allow in hundreds of thousands of Muslim migrants from Sharia countries means you are delusional. Migrants who will require long-term welfare while the U.S. does not have the resources to provide for its own citizens. Not to mention the direct correlation between Islam and terrorism. You are an actual fucking idiot.

You should renounce your citizenship, you should apply for Canadian citizenship from your ideological comrade Trudeau, and then you can both have "interfaith" prayers at the local mosque together.

It's cute that you would mention Breitbart, when the majority of your links are left or far-left sources such as motherjones and Media Matters. I've linked a Breitbart article, maybe once? Not to mention they were the first English language outlet to report accurately on the Muslim Cologne mass sexual assault, events that left-wing media attempts to keep under wraps.

Again, you're a fucking idiot.

Ever consider I am just really good at my job? Didn't think so. Your not capable of thinking of more than one outcome.

Well, going off somewhat dated figures you have 60 Christians, and then 163 people of various religions. Not astounding numbers but it is a start. But I pose a question back to you, care to tell me what percentage of these refugees are women, children, and elderly? Thought so. You automatically equate Muslim to terrorist regardless of age and gender.

Where the fuck are you getting this hundreds of thousands number?! This alone tells me how stupid you are, neither Obama nor Hillary has EVER said they want to let in hundreds of thousands. This is how I know you read right-wing BS websites for your information rather than actually listening to politicians speak. While neither is highly credible, at least one can be held accountable (to a certain extent).

You obviously think I think the entire immigration/refugee system is perfect. I don't. I do think there need to be changes as I have stated multiple times.

I have citizenship in three countries, I can go where ever the fuck I like ironically. Perks of having a country taking in refugees at one point in time. I won't say which, but there is an ancestor of mine who used to own a certain building on Madison Ave in NYC that was converted to a big hotel, and guess what he was, an immigrant.

Brietbart also posts conspiracy theories and tons of articles without any sort of source. Not the most reputable source to say the least. I never dismissed them for not having some relevant information, but when they post shit like this,
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/ and attempt to infer something off nothing, one couldn't call them reputable. Especially now that their former chairman is running Trump's campaign there is certainly a good reason to call into question their ability to report information that isn't inaccurate. And before you claim the CEO/Owners/Chairmen of the MSM donated to Hillary, it is not even remotely close to the same.

But you know why I know you are stupid? You only consider one possibility, one outcome. You refuse to look around you and see the world isn't binary, it isn't black and white, good versus evil, us versus them, Westerners versus Muslims, etc. The world isn't this way. By attempting to make it that way you are sounding exactly like ISIS, and that is what they want. I see you do this when you attempt to point out my stances. I say I support immigrant, you assume it is immigration for all. I say I don't support Trump, it must mean I am a Hillary supporter. I say I don't have an issue with some aspects of Sharia Law, you assume I am OK with all of it.

Here is some advice, instead of trying to think only in binary outcomes, use logic and critical thinking and look at the whole range of outcomes. Is it logical to assume every immigrant will be a terrorist? No. Using critical thinking skills (if your CC taught you them), you could assume that there are certain sub-groups within these immigrants that are dangerous and to be looked into before allowing entry into the country.

I really feel bad for you. Dumb, ugly, and rude is no way to go through life Campeador. Immigrants didn't ruin your life, you did that yourself.

I am certainly envious of people who have never interacted with someone like yourself. It makes me weep for the country that there are people as bigoted as you in America who can only think in binary outcomes. I would at least have some respect for you if you were able to see the world for more than this because it is that way.

.MASSHOLE.Ever consider I am just really good at my job? Didn't think so. Your not capable of thinking of more than one outcome.

Well, going off somewhat dated figures you have 60 Christians, and then 163 people of various religions. Not astounding numbers but it is a start. But I pose a question back to you, care to tell me what percentage of these refugees are women, children, and elderly? Thought so. You automatically equate Muslim to terrorist regardless of age and gender.

Where the fuck are you getting this hundreds of thousands number?! This alone tells me how stupid you are, neither Obama nor Hillary has EVER said they want to let in hundreds of thousands. This is how I know you read right-wing BS websites for your information rather than actually listening to politicians speak. While neither is highly credible, at least one can be held accountable (to a certain extent).

You obviously think I think the entire immigration/refugee system is perfect. I don't. I do think there need to be changes as I have stated multiple times.

I have citizenship in three countries, I can go where ever the fuck I like ironically. Perks of having a country taking in refugees at one point in time. I won't say which, but there is an ancestor of mine who used to own a certain building on Madison Ave in NYC that was converted to a big hotel, and guess what he was, an immigrant.

Brietbart also posts conspiracy theories and tons of articles without any sort of source. Not the most reputable source to say the least. I never dismissed them for not having some relevant information, but when they post shit like this,
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/ and attempt to infer something off nothing, one couldn't call them reputable. Especially now that their former chairman is running Trump's campaign there is certainly a good reason to call into question their ability to report information that isn't inaccurate. And before you claim the CEO/Owners/Chairmen of the MSM donated to Hillary, it is not even remotely close to the same.

But you know why I know you are stupid? You only consider one possibility, one outcome. You refuse to look around you and see the world isn't binary, it isn't black and white, good versus evil, us versus them, Westerners versus Muslims, etc. The world isn't this way. By attempting to make it that way you are sounding exactly like ISIS, and that is what they want. I see you do this when you attempt to point out my stances. I say I support immigrant, you assume it is immigration for all. I say I don't support Trump, it must mean I am a Hillary supporter. I say I don't have an issue with some aspects of Sharia Law, you assume I am OK with all of it.

Here is some advice, instead of trying to think only in binary outcomes, use logic and critical thinking and look at the whole range of outcomes. Is it logical to assume every immigrant will be a terrorist? No. Using critical thinking skills (if your CC taught you them), you could assume that there are certain sub-groups within these immigrants that are dangerous and to be looked into before allowing entry into the country.

I really feel bad for you. Dumb, ugly, and rude is no way to go through life Campeador. Immigrants didn't ruin your life, you did that yourself.

I am certainly envious of people who have never interacted with someone like yourself. It makes me weep for the country that there are people as bigoted as you in America who can only think in binary outcomes. I would at least have some respect for you if you were able to see the world for more than this because it is that way.

Posted 13 hours ago.

I must've really gotten under your skin for you to write that long diatribe of garbage between 5 and 6 a.m. in the morning.

No, I never considered that. You're a pathetic office drone, one that spends all of his day on the internet doing nothing. You're a loser, and you actually depress me. Rotting away in a cubicle is not way to go through life. And you're probably ugly.

(You see how annoying it is when someone copies what you say?)

You offer tacit support for a candidate that wants to up the number of "refugees" each year to 65,000. Even your left-wing Politifact confirms it for you.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/13/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-wants-let-500-pe/

When you add to that the 100,000 muslim migrants from the Middle East given green cards every year, you easily get into hundreds of thousands. For someone who claims education, you seem to have a fundamental problem with basic arithmetic.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/13/donald-trump/donald-trump-correct-us-gives-100000-green-cards-y/

Again, this is per year. Four years of Hillary equals hundreds of thousands more Muslim migrants.

Whether you believe the system is perfect or not is irrelevant given your tacit support for a candidate who not only wants to keep it the same, but wants to make it worse.

You're bleeding heart perhaps makes you believe that we owe foreign muslims the right to settle permanently in America, but you're wrong. We owe them nothing. The fact that you would put American citizens at great risk, because of the whims of your bleeding heart, makes you a fucking idiot. Again, I would call on you to renounce your citizenship, if you have other passports it shouldn't be a problem.

Before you go into any bullshit on the "vetting process", save it. The vetting process is a disaster, one need look no further than the number of active ISIS cases in the Somali "refugee" community. And, of course, who could forget the Boston Bombers, who coincidentally were allowed to stay in the U.S. as "refugees". They did quite a number on your home state, thanks largely to morons like you who allowed them in.

I must say, your new buzzwords are cute too, "binary outcomes". I like that.

Again, you're a fucking idiot if you don't believe that there is a concerted global effort among the world's Islamists and Sharia Muslims to colonize and destroy the West from within, their religion expressly mandates that from them. Hell, even the FBI found evidence during a raid of MB offices that explains their plans for "civilization jihad" perfectly. But people like you are easily fooled I suppose, wouldn't want to come to any "binary" conclusions.

.MASSHOLE.65,000...the majority of which she stated would be persecuted people, i.e Christians, Yazidis, Kurds, and other religious minorities.

Well, going off somewhat dated figures you have 60 Christians, and then 163 people of various religions. Not astounding numbers but it is a start.

Could you possibly be any more full of shit?

Lets do the math Mr. Finance, 60 Christians divided by 10,000 would be... 0.6%, not even one percentage point.

Now, 163 of "various religions" divided by 10,000... 1.63%, getting a little better.

It's interesting that now the Kurds are a religious minority. Last I checked their women especially were kicking ass defending their homeland, while the cowardly Syrian men flee to Europe in mass for welfare benefits and female victims. Not to mention we already know, as per Pew Research, that at least 11% of them harbor sympathies for ISIS.

Now, going back, according to your math 2.63% of 10,000 is a majority.

But I'm sure you're clueless enough to believe that Hillary will change that and make it an actual majority, because your tacit support keeps getting less tacit and more obvious. I'm sure now you're going to deflect into your far-left talking points about "women and children".

Why is a supposedly Christian nation so intent protecting itself from the chance of harm, instead of sacrificing to help others in need?

Man, apparently religion begins and ends at the church pews for folks.

.MASSHOLE.By attempting to fight back one would be almost guaranteeing the death of their family through either collateral damage or punishment for fighting back.

By the way, tell that argument to POWs. I am sure they would tell you surrendering and trying to survive is x10000 a better idea than resisting.

Bahahahahah

guess all those Hindus should've just been subservient like you, mass hole. Never should've fought back to win their freedom back.

CampeadorPosted 13 hours ago.

I must've really gotten under your skin for you to write that long diatribe of garbage between 5 and 6 a.m. in the morning.

No, I never considered that. You're a pathetic office drone, one that spends all of his day on the internet doing nothing. You're a loser, and you actually depress me. Rotting away in a cubicle is not way to go through life. And you're probably ugly.

(You see how annoying it is when someone copies what you say?)

You offer tacit support for a candidate that wants to up the number of "refugees" each year to 65,000. Even your left-wing Politifact confirms it for you.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/13/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-wants-let-500-pe/

When you add to that the 100,000 muslim migrants from the Middle East given green cards every year, you easily get into hundreds of thousands. For someone who claims education, you seem to have a fundamental problem with basic arithmetic.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/13/donald-trump/donald-trump-correct-us-gives-100000-green-cards-y/

Again, this is per year. Four years of Hillary equals hundreds of thousands more Muslim migrants.

Whether you believe the system is perfect or not is irrelevant given your tacit support for a candidate who not only wants to keep it the same, but wants to make it worse.

You're bleeding heart perhaps makes you believe that we owe foreign muslims the right to settle permanently in America, but you're wrong. We owe them nothing. The fact that you would put American citizens at great risk, because of the whims of your bleeding heart, makes you a fucking idiot. Again, I would call on you to renounce your citizenship, if you have other passports it shouldn't be a problem.

Before you go into any bullshit on the "vetting process", save it. The vetting process is a disaster, one need look no further than the number of active ISIS cases in the Somali "refugee" community. And, of course, who could forget the Boston Bombers, who coincidentally were allowed to stay in the U.S. as "refugees". They did quite a number on your home state, thanks largely to morons like you who allowed them in.

I must say, your new buzzwords are cute too, "binary outcomes". I like that.

Again, you're a fucking idiot if you don't believe that there is a concerted global effort among the world's Islamists and Sharia Muslims to colonize and destroy the West from within, their religion expressly mandates that from them. Hell, even the FBI found evidence during a raid of MB offices that explains their plans for "civilization jihad" perfectly. But people like you are easily fooled I suppose, wouldn't want to come to any "binary" conclusions.

CampeadorBut I'm sure you're clueless enough to believe that Hillary will change that and make it an actual majority, because your tacit support keeps getting less tacit and more obvious. I'm sure now you're going to deflect into your far-left talking points about "women and children".

I guess working out before work is unheard in your life.

Right, a pathetic office drone. You obviously know what my day consists of, what my work-life balance is, and how much I enjoy my day. I will certainly listen to your input there.

I have no problem with 65,000 people coming into this country as our workforce diminishes and I really shouldn't have to explain that.

You know what is funny about that article? It doesn't give us any indication of what religion they are because that is impossible. The United States does not keep track of that. So I ask you, ever hear of Christians in Lebanon? How about Turkey? Or members of non-Shiite religions who fled Iran and were unable to find a permanent home? You automatically equate refugees with Muslims and that all Muslims are dangerous. Ever hear of Sufis? How about Gulens?

You know what the ironic part of all of this is? Most terrorists are homegrown. They are born in the United States. Excluding the unknown (unsure what this consists of) you have 148 who were not born in the US versus 172 who were. What that doesn't show us is how many were born in another country and came here at a young age, which again, means they are more American than Middle Eastern through their own culture.

The most astounding part is of these 365, almost 45% of them were radicalized online. Does this mean we should shut down the internet now because it is dangerous and we cannot regulate it? What would be more interesting would be seeing the statistics on how many were Islam converts versus Islam followers at birth/by family association.

I guess you do not know about future tense. Clinton was quoted as saying "I would". I hope I don't have to explain to you what that means. It should be self-explanatory to any competent student that these figures come from Obama's administration, not her actions.

They're not merely talking points, they're legitimate parts of the refugee group.
http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php

39% of refugees from Syria are under 11. A further 31% are women over the age of 11. That puts us at 70% of all refugees. That means the last 30% are males over the age of 11. Well, lets remove males over 59, that drops us to 28.5. So, lets assume that we have a 50/50 split of males between the ages of 11 and 59. That means of the remaining 28.5%, 14.2% are between the ages of 11 and 34, and 14.2% between the ages of 35-59. The average age of a terrorist is 26, so we can eliminate the majority of that 14.2% as the average age of a Syrian male is 23, meaning, you likely have less than a 5% chance of a Syrian refugee being a terrorist.

I haven't even attempted to break down the religious demographics. I have better things to do than continue to make your awful generalizations look foolish.

But, then again, I don't know numbers do I?

Gods_FatherBahahahahah

Gods_Fatherguess all those Hindus should've just been subservient like you, mass hole. Never should've fought back to win their freedom back.

Jesus you are an idiot. Seriously, it is unreal. There is a reason almost all of these events are either referred to as genocides or ethnic cleansing.

And are you talking about the Hindu's in Kashmir? If so, they lost hundreds of thousands of members and ultimately fled the region.

Find me a modern-day example of a group of people that avoided a systematic genocidal movement by governmental forces by fighting back.

.MASSHOLE.Jesus you are an idiot. Seriously, it is unreal. There is a reason almost all of these events are either referred to as genocides or ethnic cleansing.

And are you talking about the Hindu's in Kashmir? If so, they lost hundreds of thousands of members and ultimately fled the region.

Find me a modern-day example of a group of people that avoided a systematic genocidal movement by governmental forces by fighting back.

Talking about India, learn your history.

Gods_FatherTalking about India, learn your history.

lol Kashmir region of India...I guess you've never heard of it. Near the Himalayas, very controversial due to land disputes between India and Pakistan, the source of a conflict in the 1970s, insurgency in the 1980s, an invasion by Pakistan in the late 90s that almost resulted in a nuclear war, and a very nasty ethnic cleansing of the Hindu's in the region that was spurred on by the local governor. Ring any bells?

.MASSHOLE.lol Kashmir region of India...I guess you've never heard of it. Near the Himalayas, very controversial due to land disputes between India and Pakistan, the source of a conflict in the 1970s, insurgency in the 1980s, an invasion by Pakistan in the late 90s that almost resulted in a nuclear war, and a very nasty ethnic cleansing of the Hindu's in the region that was spurred on by the local governor. Ring any bells?

Lol not talking about Kashmir. Talking about India. Ring any bells?

Gods_FatherLol not talking about Kashmir. Talking about India. Ring any bells?

Kashmir is in India. Christ almighty that's what the Kashmir region of India is

.MASSHOLE.Kashmir is in India. Christ almighty that's what the Kashmir region of India is

Christ almighty you're a dumb fuck. Not talking about Kashmir......talking about India.

.MASSHOLE.I have no problem with 65,000 people coming into this country as our workforce diminishes and I really shouldn't have to explain that.

you likely have less than a 5% chance of a Syrian refugee being a terrorist.

Perhaps you should.

5% of 65,000 would be a potential 3,250 terrorists entering the country. But, oh, can't forget Obama's 3-month "vetting" process, that should weed them out.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/7/us-cuts-syrian-refugee-screening-time-handle-surge/

Even by your own flawed math, you openly admit that you would be willing to import thousands of terrorists into the United States, out of a sense of the "greater good". You are a vile person and, at minimum, you should renounce your U.S. citizenship immediately.

You're also a fucking idiot.

CampeadorEven by your own flawed math, you openly admit that you would be willing to import thousands of terrorists into the United States, out of a sense of the "greater good". You are a vile person and, at minimum, you should renounce your U.S. citizenship immediately.

You're also a fucking idiot.

WWJD?

Gods_FatherChrist almighty you're a dumb fuck. Not talking about Kashmir......talking about India.

They're the same god damn thing. Kashmir is a region of India. If you're talking India specify the goddamn state or district. There are a lot.

CampeadorPerhaps you should.

5% of 65,000 would be a potential 3,250 terrorists entering the country. But, oh, can't forget Obama's 3-month "vetting" process, that should weed them out.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/7/us-cuts-syrian-refugee-screening-time-handle-surge/

Even by your own flawed math, you openly admit that you would be willing to import thousands of terrorists into the United States, out of a sense of the "greater good". You are a vile person and, at minimum, you should renounce your U.S. citizenship immediately.

You're also a fucking idiot.

Flawed? Point out the flaw. I took some basic assumptions using statistics from the UN and demographic data. 5% was on the high side, it's more likely 1-2%.

Well seeing as over 40% of US terrorist attacks come from citizens of birth, and most mass shootings are deadlier than terrorist attacks in the US, your fears are not only unrealistic, they're ignorant of the actual situation. So you, are the idiot, as exemplified by your inability to refute anything in my post beyond basic conjectures

This guy has done a few podcasts on Trump, but this one is one of the best. The analogies and neurological insight is very impressive.

"He strikes me as completely rudderless, intellectually. You wanna know how I see Trump? Blow up a balloon, without tying off the end, and hold it up high, and then release it, then watch it fly chaotically around the room. That's Trump's mind. In my view, that's what we'd be doing with the country if we put him in charge. Just hitching our future to a totally chaotic system. If that's your view of "shaking things up", then you're a nihilist."

If you have 17 minutes, this is incredibly on-point and insightful. I highly encourage it.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/839254/Part-2--Sam-Harris-articulates-why-Donald-Trump-is-a-dangerous-candidate

.MASSHOLE.They're the same god damn thing. Kashmir is a region of India. If you're talking India specify the goddamn state or district. There are a lot.

I'm not talking about a region of India, I'm talking about India. Learn history.

Gods_FatherI'm not talking about a region of India, I'm talking about India. Learn history.

We talking modern day or when it was ruled by England...Post-England India was rather tumultuous.

.MASSHOLE.We talking modern day or when it was ruled by England...Post-England India was rather tumultuous.

neither

Gods_Fatherneither

So pre-England which is not considered modern day. So this instance is inapplicable to what I said.

Jesus you're an idiot.

For all you "immigrants are stealing jobs, they're a drain on society!" people, read this.


https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration


From the NYT if you can't get access to it:



“We found little to no negative effects on overall wages and employment of native-born workers in the longer term,” said Francine D. Blau, an economics professor at Cornell University who led the group that produced the 550-page report.

• Some immigrants who arrived in earlier generations, but were still in the same low-wage labor markets as foreigners just coming to the country, earned less and had more trouble finding jobs because of the competition with newer arrivals.

• Teenagers who did not finish high school also saw their hours of work reduced by immigrants, although not their ability to find jobs. Professor Blau said economists had found many reasons that young people who drop out of high school struggle to find work. “There is no indication immigration is the major factor,” she said.

• High-skilled immigrants, especially in technology and science, who have come in larger numbers in recent years, had a significant “positive impact” on Americans with skills, and also on working-class Americans. They spurred innovation, helping to create jobs.

• The first generation of newcomers generally cost governments more than they contribute in taxes, with most of the costs falling on state and local governments, mainly because of the expense of educating the children of immigrant families.

For those governments, total annual costs for first-generation immigrants are about $57 billion. But by the second generation in those families, immigrants, with improved education and taxpaying ability, become a benefit to government coffers, adding about $30 billion a year. By the third generation, immigrant families contribute about $223 billion a year to government finances.

• In the last two decades, the number of immigrants in the country increased 70 percent to about 43 million people; they are now 13 percent of the population. One in every four Americans is either an immigrant or the child of one. And since 2001, about one million immigrants have come legally to the United States each year.

.MASSHOLE.For all you "immigrants are stealing jobs, they're a drain on society!" people, read this.


https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration

• High-skilled immigrants, especially in technology and science, who have come in larger numbers in recent years, had a significant “positive impact” on Americans with skills, and also on working-class Americans. They spurred innovation, helping to create jobs.

Globalist bullshit.

But it's alright, I understand you need other people to do your thinking for you. And if they have some letters after their name, better still. And if it's broadcast on a liberal media outlet, it just can't be beat.

I'm sure all those American employees at Disney, SC Edison (and who knows how many other companies) put out of work by "high-skill" H1B migrants are really feeling that "positive impact" (interesting how even the article puts it in quotations).

I'm sure all the recent STEM grads who cannot find work to pay off their student loans, because their jobs are going to foreigners and H1Bs are feeling the "positive impact".

And I mean, who could possibly miss the "positive effects" on working-class Americans? They're doing better than ever!

You've got globalism shoved so far down your throat it's impressive that you're even able to breathe.

californiagrownWWJD?

What do I care?

It's interesting no one says WWMD (what would mohammed do)?

Probably because the answer is too easy, rape and murder.

CampeadorGlobalist bullshit.

But it's alright, I understand you need other people to do your thinking for you. And if they have some letters after their name, better still. And if it's broadcast on a liberal media outlet, it just can't be beat.

I'm sure all those American employees at Disney, SC Edison (and who knows how many other companies) put out of work by "high-skill" H1B migrants are really feeling that "positive impact" (interesting how even the article puts it in quotations).

I'm sure all the recent STEM grads who cannot find work to pay off their student loans, because their jobs are going to foreigners and H1Bs are feeling the "positive impact".

And I mean, who could possibly miss the "positive effects" on working-class Americans? They're doing better than ever!

You've got globalism shoved so far down your throat it's impressive that you're even able to breathe.

Sorry, can't argue with someone who doesn't even provide figures, just basic (and wrong) assumptions. I'm shocked you're able to walk around with all the bullshit that is coming out of you.


Wait wait wait, you're complaining about STEM majors, the major that gains the highest paid entry-level jobs, not being able to pay off their loans? And you're blaming THAT on immigrants? Holy shit, agenda much? Not to mention just straight up WRONG.

Here, something from someone who is A. much smarter than me, and B. is actually hired to look at these things.


http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm


But, to use their summary, you are so very wrong.


The STEM labor market is heterogeneous. There are both shortages and surpluses of STEM workers, depending on the particular job market segment


In the academic job market, there is no noticeable shortage in any discipline. In fact, there are signs of an oversupply of Ph.D.’s vying for tenure-track faculty positions in many disciplines (e.g., biomedical sciences, physical sciences).


In the government and government-related job sector, certain STEM disciplines have a shortage of positions at the Ph.D. level (e.g., materials science engineering, nuclear engineering) and in general (e.g., systems engineers, cybersecurity, and intelligence professionals) due to the U.S. citizenship requirement. In contrast, an oversupply of biomedical engineers is seen at the Ph.D. level, and there are transient shortages of electrical engineers and mechanical engineers at advanced-degree levels.


In the private sector, software developers, petroleum engineers, data scientists, and those in skilled trades are in high demand; there is an abundant supply of biomedical, chemistry, and physics Ph.D.’s; and transient shortages and surpluses of electrical engineers occur from time to time.


The geographic location of the position affects hiring ease or difficulty.



So, let's correct your statement. STEM majors are not having issues with loan repayment because of globalism, but because of high tuition costs. Ironically, it is foreigners that help contribute much of the money needed for scholarships as well as help the American economy in the long run.

Anyways, I hope that bullshit that spews from your mouth tastes good.

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onenerdykidThis guy has done a few podcasts on Trump, but this one is one of the best. The analogies and neurological insight is very impressive.

While he brings up some interesting points, I'll take my chances rolling the dice on Trump, I see him as America's Viktor Orban who has been great for Hungary.

With Hillary, I know that America will look like the slowly collapsing country that is Sweden (and soon Germany).

Interesting how the UK is building walls of smooth concrete in Calais, in order keep out the islamic migrants that were attacking truckers and motorists, and keep them off the freeway.

I was under the impression that "walls don't work", at least that's what I keep hearing from the liberal media.

Also interesting to note the rapidly escalating situation in your country between muslim migrants and native Austrians. It's natural for people to resist colonization by people who follow a violent, retrograde foreign ideology.

Frankly, none of Trump's ideas or policy proposals are more dangerous than the left's continuous march towards full-scale anarchy and civil war. Thanks to the globalist-left, Sweden in this century will either have to fight a civil war of reclamation (a reconquista if you will), or fade away and become an islamic failed state. It'll be interesting to see which they choose.

Luckily for you Austrians, it appears that you are making the right decisions early, which will save you a great deal of suffering in the future. But it just takes just one globalist in power to open the islamic floodgates, which is why people must be armed and vigilant.

Now, back to Trump and Clinton. Do I want an America first president, or do I want a corrupt globalist who puts foreign interests first?

The decision should be obvious, regardless of personality flaws.

CampeadorNow, back to Trump and Clinton. Do I want a president who puts personal interests first, or do I want a corrupt globalist who puts foreign interests first?

The decision should be obvious, regardless of personality flaws.

FTFY.

Don't believe me? Click here, here, here, and here.

CampeadorWhat do I care?

It's interesting no one says WWMD (what would mohammed do)?

Probably because the answer is too easy, rape and murder.

Oh I understand you're a religon hater.

But the vast majority of folks in this country who have the same views as you in regards to immigrants, are self proclaimed Christians. In which case their views are entirely hypocritical and run counter to the basic tenant of christianity.

At the end of the day it boils down to a moral argument and indivodual risk assessment. At what point does the risk to your personal safety outweigh your morally obligation to help those in need?

.MASSHOLE.So pre-England which is not considered modern day. So this instance is inapplicable to what I said.

Jesus you're an idiot.

Ya man, history is irrelevant, right? Lol

Post-England is applicable but pre-England is not. Lol @ that mentality.

Gods_FatherYa man, history is irrelevant, right? Lol

Gods_FatherPost-England is applicable but pre-England is not. Lol @ that mentality.

Well, it more has to do with the fact that there were numerous kingdoms and rulers i.e. you had conflict regardless of race or religion.

But then again, what do I know about Indian history?

CampeadorAlso interesting to note the rapidly escalating situation in your country between muslim migrants and native Austrians. It's natural for people to resist colonization by people who follow a violent, retrograde foreign ideology.



Luckily for you Austrians, it appears that you are making the right decisions early, which will save you a great deal of suffering in the future. But it just takes just one globalist in power to open the islamic floodgates, which is why people must be armed and vigilant.

In October, Austria will hold re-elections because, back in May, their ancient system led to a legit uncertainty in the vote count. A re-vote is taking place between the two candidates again, and the nationalist party (blue party) is favored to win over the green party. From what I can tell, the blue party is about 90% less caustic than Trump and a large part of me would like to see them win over the green party because the green party is basically advocating an open-border policy and to pay for it will be dissolving the social safety net in order to pay for it. Same high tax rate, but far less benefits for Austrian citizens.

.MASSHOLE.FTFY.

Don't believe me? Click here, here, here, and here.

Right, he's a businessman, that's what they do. Since his political run, his stance has been America first, and I'll take my chances with that over someone who's stance is America last.

And for someone that rails against Breitbart, you sure do swing the pendulum hard in the other direction when it comes to finding sources.

It would also be great if your sources weren't always all the links from the first page of a Google search. Odds are you've read one of those articles at best.

onenerdykidIn October, Austria will hold re-elections because, back in May, their ancient system led to a legit uncertainty in the vote count. A re-vote is taking place between the two candidates again, and the nationalist party (blue party) is favored to win over the green party. From what I can tell, the blue party is about 90% less caustic than Trump and a large part of me would like to see them win over the green party because the green party is basically advocating an open-border policy and to pay for it will be dissolving the social safety net in order to pay for it. Same high tax rate, but far less benefits for Austrian citizens.

Based on that, are you more in favor of Trump's limitation of Islamic migration or Hillary's expansion of it?

.MASSHOLE.So, let's correct your statement. STEM majors are not having issues with loan repayment because of globalism, but because of high tuition costs. Ironically, it is foreigners that help contribute much of the money needed for scholarships as well as help the American economy in the long run.

Anyways, I hope that bullshit that spews from your mouth tastes good.

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Again, you're full of shit. This analysis from that vaunted institution your own folks went to:

http://www.cjr.org/essay/it_doesnt_add_up.php

But honestly a lot of these people vote for globalist Democrats (and Republicans), so they probably share some of the blame for their own unemployment.

And your last insult, while cute, ignores the fact that I'm not actually speaking anything.

Now get back to work, cubicle drone.

CampeadorGlobalist bullshit.

But it's alright, I understand you need other people to do your thinking for you. And if they have some letters after their name, better still. And if it's broadcast on a liberal media outlet, it just can't be beat.

I'm sure all those American employees at Disney, SC Edison (and who knows how many other companies) put out of work by "high-skill" H1B migrants are really feeling that "positive impact" (interesting how even the article puts it in quotations).

I'm sure all the recent STEM grads who cannot find work to pay off their student loans, because their jobs are going to foreigners and H1Bs are feeling the "positive impact".

And I mean, who could possibly miss the "positive effects" on working-class Americans? They're doing better than ever!

You've got globalism shoved so far down your throat it's impressive that you're even able to breathe.

I graduated with a STEM degree from an out of state university 5 years ago. As of last year I am debt free. I'm perfectly happy competing for jobs with anyone and everyone because I believe the cream rises to the top.

Maybe Americans should get better at their skills instead of just trying to limit the competition? Free market, ya know?

CampeadorBased on that, are you more in favor of Trump's limitation of Islamic migration or Hillary's expansion of it?

In the total spectrum of available options pertaining to admitting refugees, I think Trump's position is further away from justice than Hillary's. One extreme is to completely block them from coming in, and the other extreme (which is equally as foolish) is to allow any and all of them to come in. The right answer is somewhere in the middle. I think we have a moral duty to help people in need, but that duty is not unconditional and limitless. Therefore, we should be taking in refugees but there needs to be protocol, strict vetting, and a cap/limit on how many are allowed in. I think our current position and Hillary's position resembles this, whereas Trump's does not.

Hillary's expansion of it would still be 500% more thorough (and I think much smaller) than what is happening in Central Europe (for everyone's info- Austria, I believe, has admitted about 40,000 refugees with very little vetting taking place). Whereas Trump's plan seeks to deny someone entry to the country simply based on their religion alone, which I think is unethical & immoral, despite my disdain for Islam.

californiagrownOh I understand you're a religon hater.

But the vast majority of folks in this country who have the same views as you in regards to immigrants, are self proclaimed Christians. In which case their views are entirely hypocritical and run counter to the basic tenant of christianity.

How much is that tenant of Christianity paying each month in rent?

I never realized Harakiri was a basic tenet of Christianity.

In this case I much prefer Psalm 144:1

Praise be to the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.

If Christians followed your logic, Europe would've been overrun by Islam over a millennium ago. This Christian "love your neighbor" shit only applies to those who aren't actively trying to subjugate and eventually kill you.

I've heard this boring leftist "gotcha!" Christian argument far too many times.

CampeadorRight, he's a businessman, that's what they do. Since his political run, his stance has been America first, and I'll take my chances with that over someone who's stance is America last.

And for someone that rails against Breitbart, you sure do swing the pendulum hard in the other direction when it comes to finding sources.

It would also be great if your sources weren't always all the links from the first page of a Google search. Odds are you've read one of those articles at best.

Ha. So using a charity's money for his own personal gain is OK? Well, color me shocked but I am quite sure that is illegal. Like, illegal as in he could get actually get investigated by the IRS illegal.

His stance is himself first. His business and business connections will directly conflict with his duties if he were to be elected. Even if he steps down, so long as his family has a personal stake in that business, he has a conflict of duties. You can't argue otherwise.

I can pull up any source with that exact story. Regardless of who writes it, the facts are undeniable unlike your Brietbart pieces that are pure conjecture.

As I have asked you many times, what sources are appropriate? You dodge the question every time I ask.

CampeadorAgain, you're full of shit. This analysis from that vaunted institution your own folks went to:

http://www.cjr.org/essay/it_doesnt_add_up.php

But honestly a lot of these people vote for globalist Democrats (and Republicans), so they probably share some of the blame for their own unemployment.

And your last insult, while cute, ignores the fact that I'm not actually speaking anything.

Now get back to work, cubicle drone.

I guess you neglected to read that piece and actually do your own research into its claims, but I didn't expect you to do that.

This is my bread and butter, its pure economics and something you frankly don't seem to understand.

Let's go over this and break it down.

This source (frankly, the only source accessible and the crux of our disagreement) mentions that there are not enough jobs for STEM graduates, but looking at their sources, we can understand why. The national unemployment rate, U3, in 2013 was 8.1% while the SESTAT population saw an unemployment rate of 3.8%. Big difference there. The entire college labor force saw an unemployment rate of 4.3%. Again, a big difference. However, it exceeded pre-recession rates. That in itself is not surprising at all, that has occurred across the board in every industry.

It mentions that the likelihood of unemployment rises as one gets older. Again, not shocking. If you got your degree 25-30 years ago, chances are, your ability for desirable work, ability to learn new things, and other factors related to age, mean you are less employable than someone with a more recent degree.

They mention something called OIF or involuntarily out of field. Self explanatory, so I won't go into what that means. They mention that roughly 12m S&E workers are considered OIF, which is 8.3% However, this is not due just to lack of opportunities, but due to pay and promotion, change in interests, working conditions, family, job location, and other. Over half of the OIF workers attribute 1 of those factors to their status.

But what ironically skews this ENTIRE document is the fact that it includes social sciences. You cannot include social sciences in the STEM field. If you look at the OIF and U3 levels for social sciences, they are almost twice as high as the nearest STEM field for those who have obtained a bachelors degree.

Unsurprisingly, their point about PhD's matches the point that the article I presented mentioned; a lack of open tenure positions in the academic world.

Best of all, your article is discussing visa's for anyone with a STEM degree. I never advocated for such a policy, but have no problem with increasing the requirements for a foreign-worker to come to this country with an advanced degree.

So, once again, please learn basic economics before you try to discuss anything related to the field with me.

I may not be smart in your eyes, but I certainly know a hell of a lot more than you.


Oh, and the reason I didn't dispute this article was due to the fact it was almost immediately after the Great Recession where the market was struggling to recover. Can't compare that to today's market conditions.

It's funny, you blame globalists for all the issues. Let me guess, a more qualified immigrant stole your job right? Or your dads? Or did one steal your girlfriend away?

.MASSHOLE.But then again, what do I know about Indian history?

Clearly jack shit. I guess the fall of the Roman Empire is irrelevant as well based on your logic. Bahahahahah

Gods_FatherClearly jack shit. I guess the fall of the Roman Empire is irrelevant as well based on your logic. Bahahahahah

It's not irrelevant in the scheme of the history of the world, but it is irrelevant when discussing genocides and the ability to stop them.

You've gotten so far off topic I doubt you even remember my original point. Let me remind you of it: Fighting back against governmental forces who are bent on destroying a certain group of people is futile.

.MASSHOLE.It's not irrelevant in the scheme of the history of the world, but it is irrelevant when discussing genocides and the ability to stop them.

You've gotten so far off topic I doubt you even remember my original point. Let me remind you of it: Fighting back against governmental forces who are bent on destroying a certain group of people is futile.

Oh, it's futile? Tell that to all the Hindus who fought back and won their freedom. You're so fucking ignorant lol.

Gods_FatherOh, it's futile? Tell that to all the Hindus who fought back and won their freedom. You're so fucking ignorant lol.

And we are back to square one, where you are comparing a different time period where the military forces are very different than what we see today. The most recent Hindu attempt to fight back resulted in a genocide in Kashmir. Great result.

Gods_FatherOh, it's futile? Tell that to all the Hindus who fought back and won their freedom. You're so fucking ignorant lol.

Oh, and tell every POW that fighting back would have been worth it. I am SURE they will agree with you.

Christ, I hope you haven't paid for a college education.