photography isnt art

mommy you have no clue what youre talking about, who gave you the right to say what is and what isnt art

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'Photography is the most difficult of the arts. It doesn't require a certain arrogance to see and choose. With the camera, it’s all or nothing.'
- Walker Evans

To explain that so mommy here can understand something past grade 5 english, Walker Evans is saying that photography is difficult because you can't always modify the surroundings. Of course, you can go chop down a tree or if someone's standing in the way of your shot you can kick them in the balls repeatedly until they move or die, but that's not changing the scene through the camera, that's changing the scene altogether. With something like drawing or painting, the artist involved there can paint the whole scene and decide not to include a tree, or a bird on the sky, or even shift something 3 inches to the left to complete the composition. With photography, you can't just go out and shift an island so it fits your composition better.

Also, painters aren't faced with exposure. What the human eye sees is incredible, no film or digital sensor can ever compare to what range of colours the human eye sees as well as it's extraordinary latitude. With photography, you have to work with the disability of film and digital sensors. For example, here are some things a photographer may decide to do when shooting a sunset:

- Expose for the sunset so it turns out nice, rest of the shot is black

- Expose for the ground... but now the sunset is a bleached white sky

- Go right in the middle, a slightly overexposed sunset and a slighty underexposed foreground... still not great.

- Take 2 pictures, one for the sunset, one for the ground, merge them in photoshop.

- Use a graduated neutral density filter which is a piece of glass tinted on the top to shade some of the light, so you can get a good exposure of the sunset as well as a good exposure of the ground.

- Expose for the sunset, use a very long exposure and use flashes or a flashlight to illuminate the foreground.

There are so many different ways to approach that, just like a painter may choose which brush they'd like to use, and a sketch artist can choose the density of pencil for their choice.


For who was talking about how people can sit down and just create art on a blank canvas, you can do that with photography as well. I know that I don't always just go out and take pictures of everything, I'll go out with an idea in mind, as will many other people. Take Ira (freeskiing04) for example because he has many shots in the art section right now, he went out with his fisheye lens with the intention of taking long exposures at night while cars passed by. That's what he set out to do, and that's what he did. I do the same, I wanted to go out and find a corroded old builing, using black & white film to make the texture of this rundown shithole be the main point of the photo. So I did, I went out and found a ratty ass old builing and shot a photo of it.

In the end, photography is art, whether you're shooting with a pinhole camera, point & shoot, digital SLR, or large format camera, it's all art. You may say that someone who takes a photo of their drunk friend isn't art, but what's the difference between that and drawing a picture of the drunk friend? Not much. It's still art, the only difference is that it's horrible art and the person taking the photo probably didn't even realize they were creating art.

Also, anyone can go and buy a $20,000 pro camera setup, does that mean that because they're using this it makes what they're taking is good art? Hell no, just like someone can pick up a $5 disposable camera and take nicely composed photos that are masterpieces.

In the end, it's art, it's been stated as art, as have digital art, sketching, ink, painting, sculpture, knitting, sex, spray paint, toothpicks and gumdrops, cheerios, etc. etc.






P.S. I also agree that people who go and take a pic of a curb and say that they're expressing themself is fucking bull. It's still art, just horrible, worthless art. That's like modern art where someone stuck a Christmas tree in a bathtub, called it 'Christmas tree in bathtub' and sold it for thousands. But props to that person for taking advantage of artsy fartsy tools.
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its an opinion question. because art is art based on its viewers. Some people think that when you spit on a rock its art. some people think everythign is art. its almost pointless to truly define one thing over another of its artistic value. in other words....who gives a fuck?
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^It really depends on the mindset of the creator. If the person who 'spat on a rock' did so without the intention to create something with meaning, therefore it was not art. If the person who spat on a rock did so to make a significant and meaningful image or form, then it is art. The quality and taste of the art is subject to criticism, but the fact that it is a creation with an intention to express something in its form.
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huh, who'd have thunk that a thread started by mommy would have created so many non retarded posts.


i think photography is art, the camera is a medium to express one's own emotions or feelings. just like movies are, they are an art form as well. dont know if any of you have seen the movie Barry Lyndon, but if you pause it anywhere during the movie, any frame could be a painting that you would see in a gallery

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photography isnt art yet throwing macaroni on to construction paper with glue is priceless....

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fuck you , it depends on what kind of pictures you are taking, like everything except industrial and news photography is art. coming up with an image, planning it out and developing and croping till its perfct is totally an art form. ur just to retarded to understand it



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EC Andrew and SteveXS2, what you're both doing is comparing photography and art ( or orther arts by your definition) to prove that photography can also be difficult. But even if photography were more difficult than art like drawing and painting and stuffs ( because it just isn't) proving that wouldn't mean that photography is art.

It's because its easier that its not art. It's not art because it's something totally different. Art is creating something from your mind. Even if you're looking at something, when you draw or paint you convert through your mind into an image. Yeah I know you futz with lighting, etc. when you take a picture, but it doesn't go through your mind, it goes to a piece of film.

I guess photography is all about knowing which coices to make out of a million possiblities. And that's sick, but it's not art. Like I said, I see a lot of photos that I like, but very little drawings or paintings or scultpures. That's cause I like photography better. It takes a lot of skill to be a good photographer and I totally respect that.

But I KNOW that when I go to shoot something I'm not being an artists. I know that. I'm not an artist. That would be sick if I were, cause I think artists are super talented...but I'm not.

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tell that to Ansel Adams, or Yousuf Karsh


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devine, how is industrial photography and especially how the hell is photojournalism not art? Photojournalism is taking news and showing it in a way that people can look at the photo and see what's going on.

Photography is Art, that's why there are photography classes at the Emily Carr Institute of Art and Design, as well as Photography classes at the Alberta College of Art & Design, not to mention how people can get their Bachelors of Fine Art in Photography.

Drawing isn't always harder either, it just takes practice, like taking a good photo. Skilled painters can paint a good picture with just as much ease as a skilled photographer can shoot a good photo, it just takes longer.

It's still a form of art, if you choose not to believe that, go ahead, but keep your mouth shut because you're not changing history.
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thank you steve, i didnt read the whole thing, but i got the jist of it...id also like to add a few things if u didnt already. MOMMY, please try and pick up a canon eos elan II, and get a proffessional picture out of it. Ive been working with photography for a few years now (and im sure stevexs2 is REALLy experienced with it as well, much more than i am. But if any photographer were to take 10 different pictures of the same thing, im estimating they would get 1 or 2 good picturs out of it, considering that the angle, aperature, shutter speed, distance from the target, type of film, time at which the photographer (artist) took the picture, outside lighting, and MANY other things must all be perfect, and in sync with eachother. Sure, someone can get lucky and take a good picture, but ive seen paintings go for over 2,000 dollers, and they are just a black background with a few white dots in the center. I am a painter, drawer, and photographer, and i feel that all 3 are art, just different forms of art. They are all different languages, and to say that one is not an art is disgraceful. Furthermore, if one is developing their own film, they have to do that in the correct ways, and its easy to get creative with it. things like math, where there is a right and a wrong answer, i dont care about much, but even math is a language in itself. Please MOMMY, quit being so fucking thick minded and realize how creative and hard photography can be.
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to add to my previous statement, art does not HAVE to be hard, but many of you are acting as though it does. Since when is it hard to express your feelings?
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in the spirit of the argument of weather a studios photographer is any less of an artist than a still life painter, i present the previous three paintings by one of the more renouned flemish painters of the baroque era.

do you consider these to be art?

before you answer, know that vermeer, the artist had in his studio a kind of primitive camera that would cast a projection that he would in effect either copy closley or trace. his works are world famous. is he any less of an artist?

most painters use references for their works anyways. they may not use trace paper, but chances are, when you see a castle in a painting, it didnt come from the painters imagination.

this doesnt apply to abstract artists and surrealists, for obvious reasons, but there is a lot of art out there that is widley venerated, that isnt exactly straight out of the artists mind.















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I wasn't planning on changing history and I know that everyone considers it art and that's fine it doesn't bother me or anything and I definitely don't feel at all compelled to tell people that I don't feel photography isn't art, but the thread came up and so I just gave my input.

And I don't think photojournalism is art. It's serves a purpose of function not like expression or creation or anything.

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storm thorgerson has some of the most imaginative and unbelievable photgraphic creations in my opinion.
Those are only a few of his many works.
If you don't want to think photography is art, fine, that's your opinion. Art is different to everyone.
But to say that taking a photograph is as easy as pressing a button, you are the dumbest fuck of them all.
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look at piet mondrians peices, many people said that that wasnt art. they are now among the most famous, and worth a hell of a lot of money.
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for those still unconvinced by Ec-Andrew, who has been right on the money the whole way, pick up a National Geographic, or anything by Christoffer Sjöström if only to name him:
can you then honestely say that photography isn't art? that it doesn't convey emotions? pictures of 9 11 bring up emotions, a picture of a sunset needs to be taken at just the right time with untold hundreds of other factors to produce the beauty and to capture that moment: you've got pictures, and then you've got photographs...



Dude, like, whatevrrrrrrrrrrrr people, oi!

Not art. just stupid.

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you guys who are hating on photos are fucking idiots, they are just as creative as paintings and music, next youll be telling me film isnt art, its just dumb that people still think this after photos have been around for like 150 years
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Peeing in the snow is great art. It lets you relieve yourself of poisonous thoughts and matter through action. Its a form of venting seeing snow literally melt at your pleasure, while you get to create a temporary piece for only few to see.

Capurnicus, it is assinine, and a huge fallacy to use level of difficulty as the determinant for whether or not something is art.

Difficulty is completely relative to the individual and his skill with artistic tools. Due to its relativity, its a bunk 'measurement.'

My intent was not to prove that photography was a form of art because its difficult, its that the photographer faces a multitude of creative challenges very similiar to that of the painter or sculptor. In other words, because both individuals face similiar hurdles, i.e. a similiar path, to create an effective piece, that photography is art. I analogized photography with 'accepted' forms of art.

On another note:

'I guess photography is all about knowing which coices to make out of a million possiblities. And that's sick, but it's not art.'

Doesn't the painter make choices? About brush stroke, brush size, angle of stroke, color, painting surface, etc etc. Every artist makes choices. (And no, not everyone who makes a choice is an artist. Duh.)

Just because the photographer directly frames the world, and he does create a photograph, doesn't mean he isn't an artist. Exact representation of the world is not art? Tell that to photo-realist collage artist Chuck Close.

And while I respect your stance Capurnicus I can't help but argue otherwise. Even some of the most renouned photographers have grappled with the truth about their profession just as we are doing now.

But as Steve pointed out - photography is a widely accepted form of art. Which is why nearly every fine arts school in America a graduate, or bachelors, program in photography.

You may be standing on somewhat solid ground, but nonetheless the art world clearly accepts photography as a form of art.
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'do all of you consider realism art? because i feel that photography is exactly that. the complete representation of realism.'

But then again photography can be a complete lie and show you things you never could think of.
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How about this Capurnicus, would you say that:

Photography is not art.

But

There is an art to photography?
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Art is anything that people add to their 'output' which is not functionally necessary and is other than the default properties of that output.

Example: The default leg of a chair (output) may be a long rectangular square. If its maker tapers the ends for no other reason than personal aesthetic preference, that tapering is art. If he tapers it for a functional (mechanical) reason it is part of 'engineering design' and not art. If he makes the leg round as on a lathe it may or may not be an artistic decision.
If for looks - artistic.
If to make it less likely to splinter or cause stubbed toe injuries, etc. it is engineering design.

In the case of Photography, if you are taking a picture for say a lift pass at your mountain that isn't art, but if you're taking a picture to show something that has no function then it's art.
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The argument on 'what is art?' is never ending.
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Yeah I definitely don't think that anything is measured by difficulty here.

Anyways, yeah I know it's generally considered art, and like I said that doesn't bother me or anything i could care less. But I just don't think that it's art.

You're right when you say that there's an 'art' to taking pictures. It's called photographer.

Haha, I think everyone is kinda saying the same thing here, but let me just put it this way. When I look at a good photo I think to myself ' that's a really sickk picture'. I don't think ' that's an amazing work of art', infact that's probably one of the last things that comes to mind. But when I look at a drawing or picture or whatever, I'm very likely to think 'that's a good piece of art.'

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Yea, its beginning to turn into empty rhetoric. Oh well, interesting while it lasted.

Good discussion.

I agree with you on some levels Capurnicus, but I still retain my original position that photography is art. Thanks.
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you look at drawing or painting as art because that is what culture has been trained to think of it as over the years, if photography galleries were more common like art galleries more people would considor art just because they know more about it. also you may think something is art such as a painting because you know its hard to paint, or draw, if you have ever tried taking a nice picture without any automatic functions used you know its hard to get a good picture you would realize it is art
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I do believe photography is an art. that's what they told me in college.

And ,personally, i like it.
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if you jsut fucking take a random ass pic, that isnt art, however cool it may look, and im not saying it should be in a gallery if it looks cool, but it isnt art. if there was much thought put into the pic, then it is, and especially if you set up the scene, like i did with this pic:


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mommy, look at some of ansel adams pictures, they are amazing. if you can do that, and because famous, and make lots of money off your pictures... you would call photo an art
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Photography is the most difficult artform there is. It's a lot more than pushing a button. Just use a manuel camera and you will have proof.

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here, this is some of ansel adams. when he did these he didnt just go to a one hour photo place, he every thing by himself.






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Large format photography is amazing.
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