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Mr.Bishop
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The number of times I've been on newschoolers and found someone debating with me that we should be more mature, more buttoned up, and overall something that your average person can identify with astounds me.

When I was your age, everything was about rebellion and going as far against the 'man' as you possibly could.

I can't help but get this sense like that isn't as cool as it used to be. Like everyone rebelled so much that rebelling got mainstream, so the only rebellious thing to do was to be a respectable citizen and fuck the man who wants to rebel against the perfectly sensical system.

I dunno.... maybe I just don't get it anymore. So if you're a legit under 21 person please help me understand where the fuck the youth has their head right now.
Jun 11 2014 11:20PM
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FreedGucci
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Your moms immature
Jun 11 2014 11:21PM
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.Hugo.
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Im not under 21 but I can tell you their heads are up their asses
Jun 11 2014 11:22PM
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Peter.
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it's fun to do bad things like drive into a car
Jun 11 2014 11:23PM
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uyghur
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I feel with the internet being so easily accessible fr just about any age, kids can learn and imitate all the crazy stuff that those who are older experience. They're growing up faster because they can have all their childhood experiences virtually.
Jun 11 2014 11:24PM
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acualywasdolan
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Well, im a princeton graduate who touts the laurels of opiates, which some people might consider an extreme fu to the man.
Also i support an open genocide on ppl who support and perpetrate the war on drugs, as a eugenics plan to increase our national iq.
Jun 11 2014 11:26PM
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.FRY.
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Mr.BishopSo if you're a legit under 21 person please help me understand where the fuck the youth has their head right now.



stuck so far down the gutter. seriously we all suck
Jun 11 2014 11:26PM
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kingsskier
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I think it am near or in your age group Mr. Bishop and I wonder the same thing. I think since things are becoming more open, there isn't as much to rebel against. Marijuana is becoming legal, as far as I can tell, religious morals are not the standard anymore so more parents are becoming more open minded and punish kids less for stupid shit. They dont really have the need to rebel against parents and the man is heading in the progressive direction and there isn't really a war to rebel against anymore. Music also has a big influence on this IMO and the things in music right now are "fuck the man for oppressing (insert oppressed group here)". My two cents
Jun 11 2014 11:27PM
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uyghur
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kingsskierI think it am near or in your age group Mr. Bishop and I wonder the same thing. I think since things are becoming more open, there isn't as much to rebel against. Marijuana is becoming legal, as far as I can tell, religious morals are not the standard anymore so more parents are becoming more open minded and punish kids less for stupid shit. They dont really have the need to rebel against parents and the man is heading in the progressive direction and there isn't really a war to rebel against anymore. Music also has a big influence on this IMO and the things in music right now are "fuck the man for oppressing (insert oppressed group here)". My two cents

That's a good point as well, religious morals are definitely becoming less important. For example, abstinence before marriage is pretty unheard of now.
Jun 11 2014 11:29PM
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theabortionator
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Nah we're just down with OPP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFTBG1sae0M
Jun 11 2014 11:30PM
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ModMommy
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With the rise of "political correctness" and "social justice" I think rebelling has taken on a new role. We have the medium of the internet that can reach so many people quicker than before. If anything, kids today (like generations before) are attempting to show that they are up to date and involved in their world.

but also teenagers are dicks, and being "mature" show supremacy and #swag, or at least it did in middle school.

(currently 19, totally fit that age group)
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JAHpow
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.Hugo.Im not under 21 but I can tell you their heads are up their asses


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Jun 11 2014 11:32PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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Rich white kids realized being rich and white is fun, now plan on staying that way.
Jun 11 2014 11:32PM
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frickindarn
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Display_ScreenYour moms immature


GOT EM!

Jun 11 2014 11:35PM
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-benedetto
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Rebelling takes too much energy and time away from staring down at your phone or electronic device..
Jun 11 2014 11:38PM
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Bombogenesis
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Being immature sucks you poop slinging monkey



Mr Doug beat the Bishop
Jun 11 2014 11:46PM
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DIPED_IN_SAUCE
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As an American teenager, I am expected to sound like an uneducated idiot, dress like a gangster wannabe, and act like a spoiled brat.





I do all those things.
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Bombogenesis
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Peter.it's fun to do bad things like drive into a car



It's fun to do bad like drive a car into things
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ModMommy
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Exactly, in a poor attempt to seem cultured and cool, they're throwing themselves into whatever is trendy at the moment. They don't actually care.
Jun 11 2014 11:58PM
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acualywasdolan
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How would you know, yoski?
Jun 12 2014 12:00AM
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SFB
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everyone is always attempting to be a part of the counter culture, as soon as it becomes main stream, they switch sides.
Jun 12 2014 12:18AM
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.FRY.
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Jun 12 2014 12:22AM
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Casey
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Its like in 21 jump street remake when they go back to high school and Jonah hill becomes the cool kid and Channing Tatum is the loser outcast
Jun 12 2014 12:25AM
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LiquorLanch
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DIPED_IN_SAUCEAs an American teenager, I am expected to sound like an uneducated idiot, dress like a gangster wannabe, and act like a spoiled brat.





I do all those things.


dude for sure, it's fun to let loose loose and be a fucking moron. i do it all the time.

but i also go to school and work 40 hours a week because i aint a tard
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Mr.Bishop
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immasWith the rise of "political correctness" and "social justice" I think rebelling has taken on a new role. We have the medium of the internet that can reach so many people quicker than before. If anything, kids today (like generations before) are attempting to show that they are up to date and involved in their world.

but also teenagers are dicks, and being "mature" show supremacy and #swag, or at least it did in middle school.

(currently 19, totally fit that age group)


That is actually a very interesting point... you're saying its almost a status symbol to be super informed about the 'real' world?

CaseyIts like in 21 jump street remake when they go back to high school and Jonah hill becomes the cool kid and Channing Tatum is the loser outcast


To tell you the truth, this movie is what got me thinking about this. That move was absolutely backwards from what would have been cool back in my high school days.

yes, it is not lost on me that I'm doing a "When I was your age" but Its getting harder to understand. :)
Jun 13 2014 11:46AM
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Willard
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Mr.Bishopyes, it is not lost on me that I'm doing a "When I was your age" but Its getting harder to understand. :)


What exactly did you do back in the day that made you such a rebel?
Jun 13 2014 12:09PM
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CaptainObvious.
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immasWith the rise of "political correctness" and "social justice" I think rebelling has taken on a new role.


This is a very interesting point and got me thinking about this topic.

I think kids are starting to realize that they're "mature" role models are a collective group of homophobic, ignorant racists. Rather than "rebel against the man" and fuck the system, they're form of rebellion is fixing the shit their parents fucked up.

They see that rather than being able to walk away from college with a degree and safely get a job (like their parents could), the economy has gotten so righteously fucked from each generation's selfishness that nothing is safe anymore. Unless they're comfortable with living in their parents' houses or on the street, they have to be the mature ones.

The general disarray of society at the hands of our elders has forced each younger generation into a collective group of cynical old farts who don't like people and understand that if they abuse credit and borrow money, their children are going to be even more fucked than they feel they've been.

This is also contributing to the decrease in young people procreating. There are some very interesting articles about the potential steady decline of intelligent people because the smart kids are smart enough to know the world is getting worse and they're not willing to bring someone else into it. Meanwhile, the stupid people who continue to drag down our economy and general social benchmark are breeding like rabbits.
Jun 13 2014 12:14PM
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CaptainObvious.
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TheSeaCaptainthey're

*their
Jun 13 2014 12:18PM
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TheSeaCaptainThis is also contributing to the decrease in young people procreating. There are some very interesting articles about the potential steady decline of intelligent people because the smart kids are smart enough to know the world is getting worse and they're not willing to bring someone else into it. Meanwhile, the stupid people who continue to drag down our economy and general social benchmark are breeding like rabbits.


Idiocracy isn't going to be fictional for long.
Jun 13 2014 12:21PM
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ModMommy
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Mr.BishopThat is actually a very interesting point... you're saying its almost a status symbol to be super informed about the 'real' world?


Absolutely.
I think SeaCaptian hit the nail on the head.
Jun 13 2014 12:22PM
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.undetected
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CaseyIts like in 21 jump street remake when they go back to high school and Jonah hill becomes the cool kid and Channing Tatum is the loser outcast


It is more along these lines, with Jonah being the cool kid when he goes back and Channing says that it is all backwords. But it isnt anything to be worried about because it is just like a new fad that comes and goes. I bet people in the generations before adults now had similar thoughts about the younger generations. It is just different generations.
Jun 13 2014 12:23PM
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.Rybak.
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TheSeaCaptainThis is a very interesting point and got me thinking about this topic.

I think kids are starting to realize that they're "mature" role models are a collective group of homophobic, ignorant racists. Rather than "rebel against the man" and fuck the system, they're form of rebellion is fixing the shit their parents fucked up.

They see that rather than being able to walk away from college with a degree and safely get a job (like their parents could), the economy has gotten so righteously fucked from each generation's selfishness that nothing is safe anymore. Unless they're comfortable with living in their parents' houses or on the street, they have to be the mature ones.

The general disarray of society at the hands of our elders has forced each younger generation into a collective group of cynical old farts who don't like people and understand that if they abuse credit and borrow money, their children are going to be even more fucked than they feel they've been.

This is also contributing to the decrease in young people procreating. There are some very interesting articles about the potential steady decline of intelligent people because the smart kids are smart enough to know the world is getting worse and they're not willing to bring someone else into it. Meanwhile, the stupid people who continue to drag down our economy and general social benchmark are breeding like rabbits.


Captain Obvious everybody!
Jun 13 2014 12:30PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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The general state of Anomie is only ONE social theory. If you want to look at a social element, you need to do it with at least a few more. Come up with multiple explanations and test each one rather than just saying

"OMG SOCIETY IS FUCKED UP AND THIS IS WHY WOW THANKS OBAMA AND VIDEO GAMES AND INTERNETS"
Jun 13 2014 1:26PM
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cobra_commander
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I blame the hipsters. They made it cool to be 'un-cool.' The new cool thing to do was to go to mellow shows and listen to 'alternative' music and then nurse a couple of really shitty beers while you got slightly stoned at someone's house. No energy to run around and blow up mailboxes or light cats on fire.

I think another aspect of it is that not everything you or I did was documented for the internet. Now you can't pick your noes without it ending up on social media. Kids now have grown up with social media and smart phones as part of their lives. I think they have an understanding that it is not as easy to go out and be stupid anymore, but rather that shit will come back to haunt you.
Jun 13 2014 2:38PM
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Huck_Norris
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I find this thread shallow and pedantic.
Jun 13 2014 2:41PM
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[tk]
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Fuck I dunno, I'm just chillin and livin, not really givin any thought to any "men." I think that's where most of us are at
Jun 13 2014 2:42PM
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arnie_grape
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Peter.it's fun to do bad things like drive into a car


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ic-rKVhwD8
Jun 13 2014 5:09PM
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acualywasdolan
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immasWith the rise of "political correctness" and "social justice" I think rebelling has taken on a new role. We have the medium of the internet that can reach so many people quicker than before. If anything, kids today (like generations before) are attempting to show that they are up to date and involved in their world.

but also teenagers are dicks, and being "mature" show supremacy and #swag, or at least it did in middle school.

(currently 19, totally fit that age group)


I would argue that the more informed you actually are on reality, the LESS politically correct you are.
Jun 13 2014 5:33PM
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E__
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theabortionatorNah we're just down with OPP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFTBG1sae0M


Yeah you know me!
Jun 13 2014 5:33PM
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op14
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Mr.BishopI can't help but get this sense like that isn't as cool as it used to be. Like everyone rebelled so much that rebelling got mainstream


so were all hipsters
Jun 13 2014 5:55PM
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Mr.Bishop
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WillardWhat exactly did you do back in the day that made you such a rebel?


I mean it was in every single fibre of my being. It wasn't even that I was that bad, but if 'the system' or 'the man' or basically any figure of authority whatsoever told me to do something, I wanted to immediately do the exact opposite. I'm not even saying it was right, but I grew up in a time where this song was an anthem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNzIKoAy2pk&feature=kp

TheSeaCaptainThis is a very interesting point and got me thinking about this topic.

I think kids are starting to realize that they're "mature" role models are a collective group of homophobic, ignorant racists. Rather than "rebel against the man" and fuck the system, they're form of rebellion is fixing the shit their parents fucked up.


Mind = Blown. This is an utterly fantastic point. I think my world understanding takes a new path from here on forward.

Huck_NorrisI find this thread shallow and pedantic.


One man's pedantic is another man's curiosity.

mmccarthy14so were all hipsters


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DIPED_IN_SAUCE
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Ralph_Swaggumdude for sure, it's fun to let loose loose and be a fucking moron. i do it all the time.

but i also go to school and work 40 hours a week because i aint a tard


Yeah I was pretty much kidding. The only time I dress like a gangster wannabe is for skiing. I also work 40 hours a week in the summer, and I do a lot of public speaking for my school and charities and stuff.

But sometimes you gotta say fuck it and be a hooligan.
Jun 13 2014 11:00PM
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Nacho+
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Mr.BishopTo tell you the truth, this movie is what got me thinking about this. That move was absolutely backwards from what would have been cool back in my high school days.

yes, it is not lost on me that I'm doing a "When I was your age" but Its getting harder to understand. :)


What that movie depicted as cool in high school definitely isn't true. I'm sure there is more of a concern for the environment in schools than there was in the 90's or whenever the fuck you old people went to school, but trust me, those fags don't run the school
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El_Barto.
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hippys_sex_toyfags


So is this legit now? Cause if it is thats fantastic
Jun 13 2014 11:13PM
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op14
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Mr.Bishophttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNzIKoAy2pk&feature=kp


Fucking love Rage. I now love you too Bishop.
Jun 13 2014 11:49PM
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Mr.Bishop
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hippys_sex_toyWhat that movie depicted as cool in high school definitely isn't true. I'm sure there is more of a concern for the environment in schools than there was in the 90's or whenever the fuck you old people went to school, but trust me, those fags don't run the school


So who does run the school? What kind of social groups are there, and who is dominant? Yeah, it was definitely the 90s when I went to highschool.

It was actually awesome, because it was 1994, Nirvana was the most popular band in the universe and the cool thing to do was be in a band and wear less than $20 worth of clothing you bought at second hand stores. The grunge days were fucking awesome.

mmccarthy14Fucking love Rage. I now love you too Bishop.


Yeah right though? I mean this shit was amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8de2W3rtZsA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3kcHchD1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqkMsXcHQYg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my6bfA14vMQ

Now lets have some fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awY1MRlMKMc&feature=kp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thig2kzQluk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGK00Q7xx-s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrtTeVWVzIE&feature=kp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL72Tyxe1rc&feature=kp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAZcFVuSo0M

Man... it was always either rebellious or dark as fuck. I don't even know if it was awesome or horrible.
Jun 14 2014 12:08AM
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op14
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Mr.BishopYeah right though? I mean this shit was amazing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4A0Qya23y0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR6GqcPd60U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K626gMvu2ds

Rage was the voice of a generation.. They spoke what the people wanted to say but were too afraid to do. They didn't put up with shit. My favorite song is easily Renegades of Funk or Bombtrack. And they were definitely rebellious, not dark. When i think of dark I think of screamo type shit talking about cutting wrists and abusing drugs. Music today is not like ti used to be and it explains why I'm more of a fan of music from before my time then current day. Makes me think about where i would have stood if I was alive then.
Jun 14 2014 12:17AM
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Mr.Bishop
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mmccarthy14https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4A0Qya23y0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR6GqcPd60U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K626gMvu2ds

Rage was the voice of a generation.. They spoke what the people wanted to say but were too afraid to do. They didn't put up with shit. My favorite song is easily Renegades of Funk or Bombtrack. And they were definitely rebellious, not dark. When i think of dark I think of screamo type shit talking about cutting wrists and abusing drugs. Music today is not like ti used to be and it explains why I'm more of a fan of music from before my time then current day. Makes me think about where i would have stood if I was alive then.


Dude that is exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. This fucking indie hipster emo screamo whatever bullshit is so wishy-washy it makes me want to puke. The message behind the music used to be something you could stand behind. Something you could draw a line in the sand and make a statement about who you are and what you meant.

I mean even the 90s pales in comparison to how shit was in the 60s and 70s. They had legit anti-war messages, racism... real shit to stand for.

Lets go a step deeper... what are the real problems right now that a youth cares about?
Jun 14 2014 12:29AM
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op14
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Mr.BishopLets go a step deeper... what are the real problems right now that a youth cares about?


To be honest, I don't even know at this point. Me, being 18 and going to college in a couple months I'm more involved in politics then I have ever been. Debts, possible draft for upcoming wars, all this shit i never thought I'd have to worry about until it smacked me in the face. I see kids in my local middle school who don't even know what political party Obama supports. I feel like the type of modern day music people are listening too reflects this greatly. People are too worried about partying, smoking, getting "hecka fucked up". If bands like Rage and other anti war/political protesting musical geniuses were still around today having as big of an influence as they did back 30 or so years ago then we wouldn't be having this conversation right now
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