The electoral college

Definitely for it.

fuck that shit bump

Disclaimer: I didn't read all of the posts in the thread.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the electoral college was created to account for the fact that a lot of Americans were not educated enough about politics to make an informed decision. If my memory serves me correctly, and that is in fact the case, I think the majority of Americans are still fucking retarded and don't know what the hell they're doing when they vote.

That being said, I despise the entirety of our political system and think it needs to be completely revamped with the entire party system being discarded. Then I would be in favor of no electoral college in elections.

However, as our system currently stands, I like the electoral college because frankly, I don't think a popular vote should be done in this country with the amount of retards running amuck.

Well it isn't like the electoral college is keeping our country from being retarded, or keeping assclowns out of office.


I'd rather vote for Kid Rock than pretty much any of the recent presidents. Hell I bet he'd win if fox or cnn backed him and told him he was a good man of that party. People will do anything their told.

Fuck ignorance

We need to go off of popular vote. I always thought that, (forgive me if I'm wrong) one of the reasons we had the electoral college was because 200 years ago getting the true count of the popular vote was too hard to find. Especially if it was supposed to be counted correctly/accurately. They still did it none the less but they had the E.C. to make the voting process much easier. I am leaving out alot about the history of the electoral college I know, but now a days with computers and all the technology we have it would be so much easier to count the popular vote. The electoral college is out of date and needs to be put to rest.

to count the popular vote and trust its results completely*

two party system is caused in part by electoral college and campaign finance laws but mostly by "winner takes all" congressional districts electoral system.

So you trust Diebold?

Now this is where someone who is actually smart comes in and finds a solution to my thought and makes using computers for voting very safe and secure...

You know what would be sweet? If you had to pass a little 5-10 question quiz on the candidates to be able to vote.

And it's pretty unlikely that our representatives in congress are going to propose an amendment to get rid of the electoral college when it strengthens their parties by keeping it a two party system.

First of all, the electors are bound by law to vote with the popular trend in most places, and do so anyway in the rest, for the most part. But I still think it sucks a lot of dick. Here's why:
When a popular vote is unclear, the laws in some places allow the electoral votes to be allotted by means that are not determined by the popular vote (like Florida in 2000).
Also there's the possibility that, through the movements of people, a popular vote can come out differently than the electoral vote, because the allotments are only redone every 10 years (every census). Events such as the Great Depression can cause huge migrations, and the affect on local politics would be even more pronounced now, because more people are likely to still vote thanks to technology.
And, least likely is the possibility of rollback of those laws requiring electors to vote with the popular vote, which are at the state level. I wouldn't have thought this was very likely until recently, but the intrusion of the national parties into more and more local races shows that the parties might be capable of that kind of coordinated multi-state effort, now. All they'd need to do is elect a few state legislators in a few key states for one term, and the damage could be done.

not true its enough where it can change the outcome of an election.

I never said it couldn't, I'm just saying that that isn't a likely problem based on the past. I was trying to also trying to enlighten those who may have been thinking that all the electors can do whatever the fuck they want. The electors themselves haven't seemed to be the problem so far.

well with a 5% fail rate against the popularity vote it is.

Whatever is better for libertarians

True.