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Joe Paterno fired from Penn St.

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jblaski
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state


Super shitty ending to a historic career. He already said he was going to leave at the end of the season. I think this will be a huge black eye towards Penn St. and how they handled it.
Nov 9 2011 10:32PM
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SlimDunkin.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Wow...
Nov 10 2011 2:33PM
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skithebert
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THANK YOU. finally an article with some sense. This gradstudent was a 28 year old man he should have enough common sense to HANDLE that situation when it occurred. He's the only true eyewitness to these crimes. Let's focus the media shitstorm on him and his inaction. Can't believe he's still in a job.

If somebody came to me with a story like that, I honestly wouldn't believe them. It's a pretty fucked up rumor but that's all you could take it for hearing it secondhand. I seriously doubt I'd go to the police with that immediately. Going to a higher up seems like a reasonable response, so I don't completely blame JoePa. Accusations like that are serious enough that if you did go to the police and it went public (which is obviously would) then the reputation of the accused and the university are permanently damaged no matter if he's innocent or not. I would say the duty falls on the athletic director to make that call. His inaction should also be the focus of the media shitstorm.

Why JoePa did not follow up on this is really his mistake as far as I can see. He should be fired, no question, everyone involved needs to be, but he shouldn't be harassed and blamed by the media.
Nov 10 2011 2:41PM
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Dan.
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so this thread makes me hate not just the rapist, the grad student, the head coach, and all the administrators, but apparently everybody at PSU and that entire town, as they all condone looking the other way at child rape, as long as it's in relation to fucking college football. all you PSU kids make me sick.
Nov 10 2011 2:46PM
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applejuice.
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not only all of this but they are putting joepa ahead of the victims and families. don't fucking riot because you lost your precious football coach, mentor, and whatever else he is to you...if anything cause a stir or rally in support of the victims and child abuse.
Nov 10 2011 2:55PM
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babujib
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some straight bullshit. a legend is tainted by no fault of his own.
Nov 10 2011 2:57PM
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skithesprings
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get learned, the campus police here are the same as any local police. guns, squad cars, the whole shebang.

don't talk if you don't know
Nov 10 2011 3:07PM
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casual
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Clearly you're biased because the reality is that after he told the AD, he did NOTHING. He never even confronted Sandusky and turned a blind eye to the fact that Sandusky remained a fixture in the locker rooms and team facilities. He decided that protecting the reputation of Sandusky, and of the Penn State football program was more important than protecting those assaulted and those that were likely assaulted afterwards. When you consider that this guy could've been locked up back in 1998, or at least 2002, and realize that people with sexual compulsions almost NEVER stop, that's ten years of abuse that is on Paterno and other's shoulders.

Let's keep this in mind:

A little boy was fucked in his ass by a sick, sick predatory sack of shit in the Penn State showers. Anyone and everyone who did the bare minimum is culpable. You going to tell me that Paterno and Company didn't think through what the fall out would be by going to the authorities? You don't think that by taking no action he was essentially condoning, or if not condoning, willfully turning a blind eye to it? And what might his motivation been, exactly? To protect his own ass (no pun intended), and to protect the good old boy network. I understand chain of command, and I understand that he technically passed it up the ladder. However, the mistake on his part was, after seeing that NO action was taken legally or otherwise, he had a moral responsibility, as the FACE of Penn State to then step up to the plate and do the right thing by the kids.

This is NO different than what has been taking place in the Catholic Church, and it's my belief that even those not directly guilty are somewhat responsible for their hesitation to report it to the Police.

Yeah, maybe "piece of shit" is harsh and dismisses his 40+ year track record, but the reality is that in the real world, public figures are often defined by a handful of moments, and Paterno missed his opportunity to step up and protect the innocent, and instead, selfishly chose to keep it hush hush as to not rock the boat. He made that decision, and is now paying the price. He should consider himself lucky to not be indicted.
Nov 10 2011 3:10PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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this. Campus police are paid police officers, instead of a town paying them, its a school...
Nov 10 2011 3:11PM
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jason...
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vancouver riots over losing a playoff hockey series, penn state riots over losing a football coach who doesnt report child molestation to the police.
Nov 10 2011 3:14PM
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sugarloaf
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over/under on McCreary having a job by days end? tomorrow? saturday? they need to clean house IMO. i don't understand why he has a job and joepa was fired though. he's next in line to go

i'm curious to see what happens in the next few days and weeks. there's a lot of rumors flying around in regards to sandusky and second mile
Nov 10 2011 3:16PM
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SlimDunkin.
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Yes but just because they have the same get up doesn't mean they have the same authority as State police, if they heard about it they would have been required to report it to the actual state payed police. So they fucked up on there part too.


And because I know you and I are probably gonna get into it anyways here is why Paterno should be fired.

Someone made a good argument in the other thread:

If you saw a teacher raping a child, and told the principal and they had a meeting and reported it to a "real police force" and still nothing happened. YOU are still liable for what happend, it's pretty fucked up to say "welp, did all I could." Fuck that. It doesn't matter if he was simply just rubbing up against the kid, or fingering his butthole. If you catch wind of it and nothing is being done, if you just let that happen your just as liable as the person who was doing it. Fuck Paterno, and fuck the higher ups they all deserved to be fired.


And to the Penn State kids defending Joe P. I hope someone sodomizes YOU in the shower, someone else see's it and nothing happens.


You have some fucking "mature" responses for a guy whos name is a penis jizzing, stop acting like you're the fucking god of Penn State, sweet you go to a catholic school, where you'll probably major in something that has you averaging about 30 k a year. So just shut the fuck up, you kids who go to Penn State probably wouldn't be supporting it, if they weren't educating you, so fuck the hell off, the whole administration deserves to be terminated.

And yes Im fucking mad.

Nov 10 2011 3:19PM
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GayWolf420
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Haha oh really? The dude walked in on Sandusky and his victims in the shower. Right there I think thats enough proof to seal the deal.
Nov 10 2011 3:20PM
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Drew.C
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First off, I am i no way biased towards Penn State. As a Pitt fan I actually hate Penn State. All i was saying that if you think that this one incident makes Paterno a "piece of shit" then your a idiot. In no way did i defend him or the others who are accused of these "Allegations".
Nov 10 2011 3:32PM
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messplay
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who. the hell. cares.
Nov 10 2011 3:32PM
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skithesprings
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Ok, you almost had a good point until you brought up my name on a fucking internet forum.

then, you decided to go and call PSU a catholic school? ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? yes, if we are a catholic school then I'm the fucking pope.

then you decided to go and say that I major in something where I'm going to be making 30k? Petroleum and natural gas engineers average around 110k straight out of school. "so just shut the fuck up"

sit the fuck down and shut your mouth
Nov 10 2011 3:41PM
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WestWoods
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THIS
Nov 10 2011 3:43PM
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SlimDunkin.
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http://www.snarkyhawk.com/?p=867 so that covers the Catholic school thing, I did mis read it, but they ARE asking for recognition.


Internet forum or not, where ever the fuck I see a dick jizzing as a name it automatically represents someone as being immature.


And Im sure thats what your majoring in...


So "sit the fuck down and shut your mouth"
Nov 10 2011 3:45PM
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.AR6rider.
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...and most irrelevant post of the thread goes to this guy!


Back on topic: anyone defending Paterno, or anyone else involved, should just shut the fuck up.
Nov 10 2011 3:46PM
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SlimDunkin.
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Whatever, I did go off on a rant, I just got worked up. I dont know anything about you other then your opinions, so that's what I should be attacking, not you personally.
Nov 10 2011 3:50PM
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ImNotARacist
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You are stupid
Nov 10 2011 3:51PM
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ImNotARacist
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This This This
Nov 10 2011 3:52PM
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PopsicleStand
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He absolutely did not inform the Campus police force, this is a lie. The police force simply reported to Schultz in a business organization sense, as he was the Senior VP of Finance and Business. He was NOT a sworn officer. All of these old fuckfaces were probably sitting around scheming on how to figure out how to keep this hush hush.

AGAIN, HE DID NOT INFORM THE POLICE.

Telling your buddy who works in a high-level business and finance position overseeing all University staff including parking-lot cops, a man who has to play to your every whim as one of the most powerful people in college football, is NOT exculpatory behavior. It comes across as manipulative, honestly. It would have been BETTER if he went up and told a meter-maid campus cop. Or made an anonymous tip. Or any one of a thousand different things that multiple people could have done. But no one did, so all of them are shitbags, including Paterno.

You guys are fucking desperate idiots at this point.
Nov 10 2011 3:55PM
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skithesprings
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ElButthurt is swinging his personal agenda around so I have to leave this here, I'm done with this thread.

Please just give this a read, I'm not arguing with you, there is just so much misinformation out there right now.


I don't care if you think Joe should have been fired, that is beside the point.


Dear Non-Penn Staters:
"Final points. I have seen a lot of people who are not part of the Penn State community make comments about the Penn State scandal. They think it is ridiculous that students and alumni are pissed off. Let me try to explain. If you clearly read the Grand Jury report, you would know a Penn State GA (Mike McQueary) witnessed Jerry Sandusky sexually assulting victim 2. Instead of calling the police, he reported it to his supervisor Joe Paterno the next day. Joe Paterno then set up a meeting with his supervisor, Tim Curley. The meeting took place on a Sunday in Joe Paterno's home. Paterno also reported what he knew to the campus police. Tim Curley and Gary Shultz, then met with Mike McQueary to discuss what he saw. Curley and Shultz never reported the incident further. Their reports to the grand jury were not credible. No where in the report does it say anything about Joe Paterno knowing about the crimes and not doing anything.

So why are we mad? We're mad because the media found a scape goat in Joe Paterno. We're mad because they blamed him instead of Mike McQueary, Tim Curley, Gary Shultz, and Jerry Sandusky. We're mad because when you search "Penn State scandal", Joe Paterno's picture comes up. We're mad because after 61 years as a Penn State employee, the Board of Trustees fired him over the phone. We're mad because they admit that all the facts are not present yet. We're mad because the school let Tim Curley take a leave, Gary Shultz resign, and Mike McQueary keep his job. This is issue is bigger than football; Joe Paterno is bigger than football. He is a man that has raised millions of dollars for my school. He is a symbol of the community.

I have literally felt awful during all of this. I feel awful for the kids that had to go through something that nobody should endure. I pray for them, and all children that are treated poorly. I feel awful about how people are portraying Penn State, and The Second Mile. I pray for the victims, and hope they find peace. I pray that nothing like this happens again."

 


Nov 10 2011 4:02PM
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SlimDunkin.
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Maybe it doesn't say anything in the reports but he OBVIOUSLY knew something, but whatever Im glad your not shoving your Penn State cock down everyones throat and having some humility. That was fairly well said.



Nov 10 2011 4:07PM
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WikiWiki
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nobody gives a fuck- you and all the other penn state dick suckers are the ones blowing this up
Nov 10 2011 4:07PM
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Ski_ThEast
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ok well fuck Joe Paterno and everyone at Penn St what they did is messed up however that sucks he would have broken the record for most D1 games coached on saturday
Nov 10 2011 4:08PM
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casual
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wow man, it's impressive and edgy and cool how detached you are. Nothing matters, right? Least of all a National institution providing haven for a pedophile rapist.
Nov 10 2011 4:09PM
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PopsicleStand
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Weakest statement ever, this is why the REST of us are mad, everyone at PSU has had the most arrogant and irresponsible attitude about this to the point that it hurts to watch and hear. Prayers are nice and all, but perhaps they should have helped as opposed to sitting around on their own un-pushed-in assholes. Paterno got caught up in this in a bad way because he was sitting on the situation for years. Then, when he had a chance to take responsibility for that, he dodged it and attempted to give us the "privilege" of letting him coach to the end of the season. He made his own bed.

As far as misinformation, you are spreading it in this thread. I see you sidestepped the little Paterno ACTUALLY never went to the cops issue.

If you want to be really angry, and get some actual information, here is a link for you. Ill warn you its a little graphic, and outright upsetting.

Findings of Fact


No agenda here, just trying to open your eyes.
Nov 10 2011 4:11PM
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These riots further reinforce my hatred of people who have a boner for academic football leagues.

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Nov 10 2011 4:22PM
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[~_~]
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These riots further reinforce my hatred of people who have a boner for academic football leagues.

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Nov 10 2011 4:22PM
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2_fadez
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just donated blood to clear my rioting kar,a
Nov 10 2011 4:25PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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So wrong.

The indictment says that Paterno only told Curley, and that Curley set up a meeting with Mcqueary and the police guy. Paterno had ZERO contact with ANY sort of law enforcement agency.

Congrats on your creativity/ignorance, I see that you got at least one other guy in the thread to believe that bullshit you just made up.
Nov 10 2011 4:43PM
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Mr.Huck
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Donate 12 pints all at once and we'll call it even. JK :-)
Nov 10 2011 4:58PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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also it should be noted that this guy was NOT even a police officer, he just controlled the budgeting of the department.
Nov 10 2011 5:06PM
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PhaedeD
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kids tooled out home boy.

they got pictures of me poppin bottles up in every party, pictures of me in miami in the red ferrari, the feds stalkin they definitely got suspicious when I bought the V's.. and Paterno thinks hes in trouble..
Nov 10 2011 5:18PM
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J_Christoph
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I love Joe Paterno
Nov 10 2011 6:01PM
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Mr.Turtle
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what school did you go to? whats the nearest D I football school to where you live?
Nov 10 2011 6:03PM
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jason...
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explain how. i just stated things that have happened.
Nov 10 2011 6:16PM
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RubberSoul
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i just posted this in the other thread but rumor has it that some bad shit is about to drop about this whole case and it supposedly has something to do with pimping the little boys....
Nov 10 2011 7:55PM
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Jennings
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WOW. YOU SIR, ARE AN IDIOT.

THIS IS THE REASON FOR THOSE RIOTS. PEOPLE BLOW EVERYTHING OUT OF PROPORTION AND MAKE SHIT UP.

WAIT UNTIL THE ACTUAL REPORT COMES OUT.

JESUS
Nov 10 2011 8:15PM
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RubberSoul
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"RUMOR"

"SUPPOSEDLY"

if you weren't so eager to be a dramatic douchebag you might realize that all i said was that there are RUMORS of something that's supposed to drop, and didnt add anything to it. why don't you take the enormous stick out of your ass and stop being such a little prick? fucking internet

Nov 10 2011 8:36PM
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e.wait
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i think everyone who supports Joe Paterno will soon realize that this entire thing was so much bigger than we currently know. with the amount of people that knew what was going on, there is no way they kept it a secret without having some sort of collaboration. just wait until we know everything.
Nov 10 2011 8:57PM
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messplay
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fool deserved it end of story.

(generic argument in favor or against this issue)


Nov 11 2011 2:04AM
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derbski
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I cannot believe that people are defending Paterno right now. Your defense is that we should be mad at sandusky, cause he did the actual raping, and that people are using Paterno as a scapegoat. Guess what, everybody is much, much more outraged at sandusky, he is a fucking pederast and will get what he deserves. That doesn't make JoePa innocent in all of this. People say that he followed chain of command, reported it to the people he needed to report it to. You know who else used chain of command as an excuse? Nazis.

I dont care if he reported it to the people he needed to, if I saw a guy who was a suspected diddler coming in and using the facilities for more young-boy charity work, I dont give a fuck if I had already told a higher-up, I would call the fucking cops, because clearly shit isnt getting done like it should.

Also, can we stop pretending that Paterno had any "higher-ups"? Don't act like he didn't have the clearest idea out of anybody in the whole athletic program as to what was going on. I am glad that he got fired immediately, and I am even more glad that it happened when he only needed 1 more game to break the record for all-time number of games coached.

This is not media sensation, and this is not using Paterno as a scapegoat. The only people other than the victims that I feel remotely bad for are the senior players whose last seasons are going to be completely fucked.

Bottom line: Sandusky was a diddler, and paterno and everybody else involved are diddler enablers. Penn state fans, please stop blindly defending your idol. I was born and raised a green bay fan, grew up worshiping brett favre, but I was willing to drop that and call him the pervert he is when he sent pictures of his cock to Jen Sterger. Paterno allowed somebody to continue to use campus facilities to rape kids. Your hero is an enabler, and if you arent ready to accept that, at least show some respect to the victims and shut your fucking mouth.
Nov 11 2011 8:29AM
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Jennings
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You know who also used the chain of command as an excuse?

American soldiers at Abu Ghraib
Nov 11 2011 8:48AM
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lahnabonny
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he's quoting Family Guy i believe

chill out people
Nov 11 2011 10:23AM
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messplay
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ding ding ding
Nov 11 2011 12:14PM
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BobYohan
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Bro-ccupy Penn State!

what a bunch of idiots. the amount to which americans care about college football always seemed kind of cute and quaint before but that was just fucking disgusting. no respect for the victims whatsoever.
Nov 11 2011 1:53PM
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linepowder
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Umm, I disagree. You can't just let something like that go. Let alone continue to work with the guy. He took the easy way out and it caught up with him.
Nov 11 2011 3:54PM
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