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Minimum wage laws are cruel, racist job killers.

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skiminnesota
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- Walter Williams (black) George Mason University Economist.
Jun 5 2011 9:09PM
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A.Eberhard
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200k? I find that way to hard to believe, I would say 30-40k depending on years of experience and position.

Back to the O.P how is minimum wage racist?
Jun 6 2011 4:43PM
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ndye
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If my employed didn't have to pay minimum wage, I'm positive he could find people to work just as hard for half the current minimum wage. I
Jun 6 2011 5:18PM
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BIGben*
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In canada its that!
Jun 6 2011 5:20PM
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kootenayklaus
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But after the government taxes the fuck out of what we earn...... it's like 6-7 dollars.
Jun 6 2011 5:31PM
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Pow.yuHdig*
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in ontario its 10.25
Jun 6 2011 6:21PM
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db21
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i make $9 in alberta and im pretty happy. can't believe its $10.25 in ontario thats crazy
Jun 6 2011 6:31PM
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skiminnesota
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are you saying that everyone should be paid more than the current minimum wage? ("nobody is worth minimum wage")

or are you saying that the market would drive wages down to the point that we would all be making 30 cents a day?


either way both are false.
Jun 6 2011 6:37PM
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skiminnesota
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now that i have access to a computer.

"One might ask why teen unemployment, particularly among blacks, is so much higher than adult unemployment. The answer is simple. One effect of a minimum-wage law is that of discrimination against the employment of less-preferred workers. Within the category of less-preferred workers are those with low skills. Teens are disproportionately represented among such workers and are therefore more adversely affected by minimum wages. Black teens are disproportionately represented among teens with low skills and therefore share a greater burden of minimum wages."
Jun 6 2011 6:39PM
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skiminnesota
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yet you are free to leave the job whenever you want correct?
Jun 6 2011 6:43PM
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ImNotARacist
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Anyone who suggests the elimination of minimum wage completely is a RUHTARD
Jun 6 2011 6:49PM
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J.D.
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Oh right well then I guess that eliminates all ethical qualms I have over employing people for 5 dollars a day.
Jun 6 2011 6:54PM
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skiminnesota
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so are you saying the government has to set your morals?

Jun 6 2011 6:58PM
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ImNotARacist
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Try less than 4, horrible housing and a 20 minute drive to the nearest grocery store and the fact that nothing is guaranteed because your illegal and the farmer you work for has no soul.

Woozy: Its been 330 years since the abolition of slavery and this is how far we've come? $4.00/hr (maybe) in an inflated economy.
Jun 6 2011 7:00PM
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ImNotARacist
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No JD is telling woozy that hes dumb for taking JD's use of the word slave literal
Jun 6 2011 7:03PM
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ImNotARacist
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So your saying that its the illegal immigrants fault that they work for below minimum wage?
Jun 6 2011 7:05PM
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JamesR
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gov sets min wage to $8/hr. fruit owners do not want to pay $8/hr for fruit picking. gov makes legal immigration difficult and expensive. illegal immigrants have tough time getting legal jobs. illegal immigrants get illegal jobs as fruit pickers. fruit owners can pay less than the value of the work because the fruit pickers are forced into the job by gov, fruit pickers paid $2/hr. eliminate minimum wage, gov quit being ridiculous with immigration, legal fruit pickers work legally for $6/hr. see that gov is source of ethical issues, dont look dumb in nsg
Jun 6 2011 7:05PM
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JamesR
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gov fault. >>>>gov sets min wage to $8/hr. fruit owners do not want to pay $8/hr for fruit picking. gov makes legal immigration difficult and expensive. illegal immigrants have tough time getting legal jobs. illegal immigrants get illegal jobs as fruit pickers. fruit owners can pay less than the value of the work because the fruit pickers are forced into the job by gov, fruit pickers paid $2/hr. eliminate minimum wage, gov quit being ridiculous with immigration, legal fruit pickers work legally for $6/hr. see that gov is source of ethical issues, dont look dumb in nsg
Jun 6 2011 7:09PM
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.seb.
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25 an hour! fuck yeah gymnastics photography.
Jun 6 2011 7:13PM
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ImNotARacist
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That is exactly what I was typing, I hope that not looking dumb comment was not directed towards me.

I wasn't asking woozy a question as if I didn't know. I wanted to see what his opinion on it was, which he revealed and I was prepared with a rebuttal.


but thanks for explaining basic economics for me.
Jun 6 2011 7:21PM
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JamesR
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it was to jd i copied what i posted above. sall good bru lol
Jun 6 2011 7:24PM
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ImNotARacist
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You have a skewed view as to why immigrants work for what they do.

Just because $4.00/hr in america is better than Whatever/hr in mexico doesn't make it ok for immigrants to hoe beats 13 hrs a day and make next to nothing.
Jun 6 2011 7:28PM
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JamesR
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can we be pals again id like to offer you some custard cream biscuits which are actually cookies like the kind that are vanilla with vanilla cream in the middle because this is ireland and possibly tea
Jun 6 2011 7:35PM
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Snowgoner
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they're illegal immigrants, therefore they don't have the same rights as american citizens. employers can pay them whatever they want.
Jun 6 2011 7:38PM
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JamesR
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would you consider yourself libertarian and/or minarchist?
Jun 6 2011 7:38PM
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ImNotARacist
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Ok Im not sure if we are arguing the same thing here.



My arguement: Immigrants should not get the wages they do, It is wrong that immigrants get paid what they do, Gov. needs to figure some shit out so that immigrants do not get paid the wages they do.
Jun 6 2011 7:41PM
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ImNotARacist
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No shit sherlock.
Jun 6 2011 7:42PM
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ImNotARacist
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well if you take into account that if we were to magically eliminate every illegal/less than minimum wage worker our countries farms would fail, I'll let you decide what they should be paid.
Jun 6 2011 7:46PM
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ImNotARacist
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well if you take into account that if we were to magically eliminate every illegal/less than minimum wage worker our countries farms would fail, I'll let you decide what they should be paid.
Jun 6 2011 7:47PM
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JamesR
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hey guys. it seems the problem is the government you know cause theyre the ones that make policies that force people into jobs then punish them for having them and all that so it would kind of make sense to say that things would be a bit more smooth without any government interference at all. that way "illegal immigrants" would be "people who moved" and they could "legally" get jobs and get money in equal value to the services they provide.
Jun 6 2011 7:48PM
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JamesR
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not one for custard creams? may i tempt you back into our internerelationship with some cadbury snack biscuits?
Jun 6 2011 7:49PM
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ImNotARacist
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You are impervious to my sarcasm meter, I have a very high end model so that is really saying something. I think it has something to do with how cute. Or you're actually magneto fucking with my shit. If thats the case Im gonna go pick up a shitty plastic one and see it that fixes the problem. If THAT doesn't work you are either A. a wizard or B. very smart and witty. I shall choose B and completely skip wasting my money on the shitty plastic one.
Jun 6 2011 7:51PM
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ImNotARacist
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Do you have aloe vera and a toblerone?

Jun 6 2011 7:56PM
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JamesR
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in order to answer both of your posts in one reply id like to simply state that in fact i do not believe in abraham lincoln in that he was not from wales or a so called welsh and as such probably never mined sheep
Jun 6 2011 7:59PM
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JamesR
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off topic question because im interested. what parts of the government would you keep around if asked to redesign it. your design can range from complete totalitarianism and beyond to no government at all. what do you believe government is good for?
Jun 6 2011 8:02PM
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ImNotARacist
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Probably not but I will give it a go.


It sets a standard for what work is worth. "minimum" should be what the lowest demanding job is worth. Do I have that much right?

So LEGAL immigrants are getting paid $7.50/hr for physically demanding jobs? Thats the only problem I can see.
Jun 6 2011 8:04PM
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ImNotARacist
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so abe really didn't care about the sheep? Or he just never watched them?
Jun 6 2011 8:06PM
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Jeffmnicholas
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Im 15 and i get paid $8 an hour + tips to teach kids how to ski, so im not complaining
Jun 6 2011 8:09PM
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ImNotARacist
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Makes perfect sense. Thanks.

so what is the productivity per hour for someone picking apples, or hoeing beats? How do you measure what that type of work is worth? Do you just analyze what each apple is worth? What about how physically demanding it is? That seems more like a judgement call.



And one more thing. Say we eliminate minimum wage but put in place someone who's sole responsibility is to evaluate unfairness in local wages. (not just one person obviously, but maybe a committee or some shit) I DONT KNOW IM TALKING OUT OF MY ASS haha.

Jun 6 2011 9:54PM
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JamesR
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a truly free market would be a beautiful thing
Jun 6 2011 10:11PM
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ImNotARacist
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Why can't that be a factor in determining wages?

Is it fair to get paid 6.00/hr to hoe beats all day and 9.00/hr to watch people hoe beats all day?


You might make a large salary doing whatever because you are smart and use your brain and your total productivity is much higher than someone who hoes beats, but could you go a full week working on a beat field? If you stopped doing your job would people be out of food?


I understand the reason laborers are paid lower because of productivity but to say sweat of the brow isn't a deciding factor in wages is dumb to me.


Maybe america just needs to focus on more important things rather than having a nice car and a large income.


But that idea won't make it much further than a mediocre book.
Jun 7 2011 8:52PM
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tuna.
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i make minimum wage, 8.67 in WA. but i get overtime, so im able to convince myself that i really get about 10 bucks an hour on average, as long as i work my life away for about 60 hours each week.
Jun 7 2011 10:18PM
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act.resist
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is inflation lower in canada than the us?
Jun 7 2011 11:12PM
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Childstar.
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i make 98$ an hour and usually get a bunch of overtime which is 144$ an hour:)
Jun 7 2011 11:15PM
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golfwangkta
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9.50 holla
Jun 7 2011 11:52PM
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Tyran
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its BEETS, you fucking retards.
hoeing beets.
jesus.

Jun 8 2011 1:37AM
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JamesR
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he was talking about slaying hoes while kickin phat beats which is hard goddamn work now get the fuck out
Jun 8 2011 5:49AM
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Tyran
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tricking for dr. dre?
morons
Jun 8 2011 11:26AM
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ImNotARacist
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but I like suga beats. it makes them bops bop
Jun 8 2011 12:00PM
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skiminnesota
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ok
Jun 8 2011 5:05PM
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act.resist
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just wondering i don't know a lot aboot canada eh

Jun 9 2011 12:45PM
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