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Damn you, thin edged skis.

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ButteredToast.
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Srsly. Around 2 days on rails with my Atomic Patents and I already have like 8 edge cracks (there are more, I just stopped counting)

I hate thin edges. Get yo' shit together, Atomic. It's a park ski and should hold up on rails. My Bluehouse MR's held up 3 seasons on MOSTLY rails and only had like 2 edge cracks on each edge and they barely started pulling out. They delammed before my edges started to pull out.


Definitely a poorly spent $500. WHAT ARE YOU DOING, ATOMIC?!
Feb 12 2011 2:29AM
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396222687862
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did you file them?
Feb 12 2011 2:35AM
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ButteredToast.
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yes i did. i didnt file my bluehouses though
Feb 12 2011 2:43AM
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eheath
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All I heard was "blah blah my park skis are breaking blah blah im a fucking idiot" skis break kid.
Feb 12 2011 3:07AM
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KyleA
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Park skis break.  Edge thickness does not have much to do with it.  Bluehouse is one of the least legitimate ski manufactures. 
Feb 12 2011 3:17AM
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taktak767
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in two days?? i dont think so.
Feb 12 2011 3:22AM
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Anathema
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capped or sidewall

always noticed sidewall edges chip often

my foils, on the other hand, are still goin strong
Feb 12 2011 3:25AM
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OrangeName
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I'd have to disagree.. i believe the egde thickness does make a difference. I believe the thicker the longer they last.

and to have skis break in that short of time sucks nuts.

and idk why you'd say bluehouse is least legit..? what the hell does that mean? apperently they're better than atomic.

Feb 12 2011 3:25AM
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Mculla11
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yea i agree. i ride the suspects that have an average to thin edge and they crack like its their job. Get armada those things last
Feb 12 2011 8:17AM
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ButteredToast.
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oh my god are you fucking retarded? ive been skiing for a long time, its not like ive never had a pair of skis break on me. edges crack and skis delam, im aware of that, im not some newbie.

all im saying is im disappointed in how fast my edges seem to be falling apart after only TWO days of rail skiing on a ski from a (supposedly) legit company. That didnt happen with my bluehouses. my bluehouses lasted me a while, but at this rate im worried that these skis wont last long.

kill yourself.
Feb 12 2011 8:47AM
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_steffen_
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Ski tech here. Hes actually somewhat right nearly all ski companies use a 1 degree base bevel and a 1 degree side bevel however atomic is the only company that uses a 1 degree base bevel and a 3 degree side bevel. this makes the edges on their race skis mad sharp however the edge is slightly thinnner and sharper making it more vunerable to chipping. however any park rider hitting metal rails should have their edges detuned underfoot at least a little bit. IF they were detuned for a park rider the edge bevel wont matter and theyll be like any other ski.
Feb 12 2011 8:55AM
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ButteredToast.
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yeah i filed them beforehand with a stone from the shop. maybe i didnt file them enough? how much should i have filed them?
Feb 12 2011 9:23AM
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DUKES
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its not only the size of the edge material it is also the type of metal that is used. like armada and liberty for example use heat treated edges and they are really durable
Feb 12 2011 10:28AM
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Degnan
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You should get Salomons then
they've got dat Edge Armor!
Feb 12 2011 11:56AM
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Mr_pretzel
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Almost round.
Feb 12 2011 12:03PM
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Mculla11
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ive got the suspects and the edge armor isnt much help. it doesnt prevent the edge from cracking. its suppose to hold the edge in once it cracks but it doesnt do to good up a job. dont get me wrong salomon makes good skis, there just the most durable ones
Feb 12 2011 12:41PM
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skijunkiedtm
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oh your edges cracked! See you in a week when you get a top sheet chip.
Feb 12 2011 1:26PM
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Pmoore
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word and dont just use a stone use a file with no guide and round them off. Gummi stones dont do nearly enough.
Feb 12 2011 1:29PM
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.nasty
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yeah, but 8 or more edge cracks in 2 days? that's not normal and you know it...
Feb 12 2011 1:29PM
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T_orageskiier
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I think he was being sarcastic.. atleast thats the way i read it.
Feb 12 2011 1:47PM
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PeterWojnar
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I can't tell if you're serious or trolling...

Edge cracks aren't cosmetic like topsheet chips are; they effect the performance of the ski (very slightly, but they still do) and make it significantly more prone to further damage.
Feb 12 2011 3:47PM
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Triple_Strum
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You try to make comments in other threads about "kids these days" etc... and you still make complete ignorant comments like this.

How is your karma so high? I don't get it :/

And that does suck man, cracked edges after a couple of days stinks.
Feb 12 2011 6:35PM
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Dan.P
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he films like a pimp
Feb 12 2011 6:45PM
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Bonzalo
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I know that it was a joke but Salomon is almost the same as Atomic.
Feb 12 2011 7:06PM
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Scrambles
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I had last years patents and they held up great until they snapped from a bad knuckle front
Feb 12 2011 7:07PM
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eheath
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I just hate when kids bitch about their skis break like they're suppose to be indestructible.
Feb 12 2011 7:46PM
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Evilchris
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if you even looked into this kid at all you would've seen that he made a thread as soon as he got the skis saying that the edges looked really thin and prone to damage.... this kid is making a fair complaint here. He accepts that park skis are disposable, but he isn't happy with how weak they are
Feb 12 2011 10:47PM
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ButteredToast.
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You're stupid.


Please shut the hell up.
Feb 12 2011 11:14PM
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NoCoastSkier
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get armadas my ar6s are fn beast
Feb 12 2011 11:20PM
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dylan.r.1080
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To my surprise my foils are too. I only have 1 edge crack with 3 solid seasons on them. *knock on wood*
Feb 13 2011 1:59AM
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carbon.pulse
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Why didn't he buy a ski with thicker edges then? Oh yeah thats right they have cool graphics and the pros ride them.
Feb 13 2011 3:19AM
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LC.
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Patents aren't meant for rails, they're a kicker ski. Hence the thin edges, it saves weight.
Feb 13 2011 4:13AM
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Mr_pretzel
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But patents are soft as shit.
Feb 13 2011 4:43AM
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shreddenator
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Angle grindler totally round underfoot. In my experience this is the only way to go.
Feb 13 2011 9:53AM
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ButteredToast.
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to answer that question, I wanted a mid-fat park ski. The patent is 95 underfoot, and symmetrical, which is EXACTLY what I was looking for.

There's no specification or any kind of detail on Atomics website that tells you what their edges are like. At least none that I saw when I looked around. I mean it's labeled as a "park" ski... how bad could it be, right?

And to BamBam, some ski tech guy posted above that Atomic uses a 1 degree base bevel and a 3 degree side bevel. I'm pretty sure that's what they use on the Punx as well, so their edges are thin as well. How much weight could a thin edge like that possibly save?
Feb 13 2011 11:19AM
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shibby
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I seriously doubt that Atomic would use those edge angles on their park skis. And I'm assuming you bought these online? Go to a shop next time so you can actually see the ski.

That does suck though, that many edge cracks in two days is ridiculous.
Feb 13 2011 3:30PM
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sskier
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this is dumb,if you ever saw my skis you wouldn't have even made this thread or complained about your skis.
Feb 13 2011 4:40PM
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Mculla11
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what skis u got ?
Feb 13 2011 4:50PM
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Lemuel
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Definitely this. Third season on my chronics, still only 2 edge cracks. Thin edges should not be on a park ski. I always lol when a company says "for decreased weight" I mean come on, they are edges, they don't weigh that much.
Feb 13 2011 5:25PM
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Lemuel
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Exactly what I am talking about. You aren't going to save much weight by using thinner edges.....
Feb 13 2011 5:29PM
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TheClap.
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line fatty edge ftw!
Feb 13 2011 5:38PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Its a valid way to decrease weight. Because we're using a thicker edge we also have to use a thicker base material, and millimeter differences stack up and weigh in.
Feb 13 2011 6:26PM
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Lemuel
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Yea but in my opinion its worth the extra weight for durability.
Feb 13 2011 6:30PM
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sskier
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2005 elan m2 twins,they are 155's and weigh the same as 177 afterbangs,the top layer is made from the shittiest plastic i have ever seen and its falling off,on one of them the edge is like 40% gone,they are stiff like a 2x4 and the sidewalls are completely destroyed and all of this is only from one season of riding.
Feb 13 2011 7:37PM
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yeahitsdave
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2012 atomics have a harder are thicker edge to compensate for this. kinda a common happening, but the bevel will make a huge difference, if it catches, its more likely to crack.
Feb 13 2011 8:17PM
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shreddenator
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I agree it does save weight, but I am not convinced that this is why manufacturers pick thinner edges for certain models....The most likely motivation is that it saves money. Less material, easier to make and manipulatse and easier to get from suppliers. The weight savings is barely noticable when skiing, but the cash saving is obvious especially when you are selling thousands of skis.

Feb 15 2011 9:51AM
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BenWhit
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my punx don't have a single crack on them after 2 seasons of hard riding.
Feb 15 2011 10:26AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Probably talking like $5 or $10 total in savings per ski, but yeah, cost is an added factor. Dont discount the weight though, thinner edge means you have to use thinner bases, and thats where you really drop weight.
Feb 15 2011 10:54AM
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BenWhit
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but if you're saving $5 per ski, and producing 10,000 pairs (20,000 skis), that's saving $100k. or $50k if you meant $5/pair. that's monumental, even to a large company like atomic.
Feb 15 2011 1:54PM
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