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No Soda for people on Welfare

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Mike-O
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So apparently the mayor of New York is trying to get all lemonades and sodas to be put on a no-buy list with Welfare coupons (I didn't know these were still used).

This sounds like a great idea, as if you are struggling for food, these things should not be on the menu which other people have paid for as it's pretty clear they are unhealthy and should be paid for with own, earned money instead.
Oct 7 2010 12:35PM
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*valkyrie*
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In regards to the original post: there was a story about this on the news this morning. It said that one of the reasons soda should be taken off the list of items one can buy on food stamps is that by drinking one can of soda a day a person with a sedentary lifestyle gains15 pounds a year.

The following is just a rant: I had a friend in Mammoth last year who lived with my bf and survived off food stamps and unemployment.  As soon as his seasonal job ended he signed right up to feed from the public trough so he could ride all day.  In order to do this he had to quit his part time job at a local restaurant.  My bf and all their other roommates had to sign forms sating that they would not share their food with him. So with food stamps (and they do give you a list of things you can and can’t buy with said stamps) in hand and unemployment money in pocket he ate like a king and always had a steady stream of beer.  But the thing that irritated me the most was that his parents also sent him money every couple of few weeks, he had more money not working every month than he had while working during the season.  And he always thought it was his right to work the system like he did, and told other people they should try and do it too.

Oct 7 2010 5:36PM
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.jesus.
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shit must be addicting
Oct 7 2010 5:37PM
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XtRemE11
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i actually find it pretty fucked up that you are fine with your money going to lazy assholes who do nothing but create more problems and only effect our country negatively.
shit ive even donated quite a bit to charities, because its my money, and i chose where it would go. i have no problem with giving to people who i feel deserve it, but i have a huge problem knowing that my money is making this poverty/welfare problem worse and that im supporting some of the biggest pieces of shit in the country.
Oct 7 2010 5:38PM
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PowSkierCO
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I don't get why they can't buy lemonade. Real lemonade is actually good for you.
Oct 7 2010 5:41PM
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FreeBallin
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didnt bother to read thread...but I can by wet cat food with my food stamps...due to poor homeless/elderly that actually eat it. I cannot buy dry/wet dog food or dry cat food with it...aka old people wont eat that.

Sorry, I couldnt get over old people eating cat food and the PA government actually allows this/ modifys the rules so that can buy it with there food stamps.


PS. Food stamps rule...its like a debit card...i use it for all my skiing food needs every trip to the hill(poweraide, cheese crackers, anything quick)...i mean its free with no strings attached...can't exactly beat that unless you cant get over the stereotype of someone with "food stamps". Ski bums should be allll over this
Oct 7 2010 5:43PM
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Dukeybrains
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It's funny because government subsidies are paying the farmers to grow the huge amount of corn that is then turned into the HFCS that is causing all these problems. Yet another instance of treating a small symptom of a much larger problem (nutrition and health in America) with ass backwards policy.
Oct 7 2010 5:44PM
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FreeBallin
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Ah I love my free Salmon burgurs and lobster and shrimp. Call me a lazy leech...or maybe you just pissed I eat like a king all winter. Sure allows me(roughly $200 a month)to spend my own cash on toys/ski gear.


Ps. I own a house(paid)/car(paid)/ business....you'd be surprised who would qualify for free assistance from the gov if people could suck up there pride.

Oct 7 2010 5:56PM
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Dhane
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o whatup troll!
Oct 7 2010 5:58PM
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FreeBallin
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Ill be enjoying this Digiorno supreme deep dish pizza on your tab tonight buddy! Thanks again!
Oct 7 2010 5:59PM
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RubberSoul
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let's be very clear here, woozy. you know a lot about economics etc but you often change the subject, albeit unintentionally maybe.

i am not here to discuss or defend the government as a whole or social security. in this thread we are talking about safety net programs, to which ~14% of taxes go, very different than the ~20% that goes to social security. to place me in a position where i need to defend social security as a whole, or other government programs is absurd because that's not what im defending

if being okay with giving away an absolutely tiny amount of money to those who sometimes need it puts me on a "moral high horse," then as you said, saddle up baby! im just not understanding getting so bent out of shape over such a small amount of money that has the power to do so much good



and nalgene stop PMing me haha, it makes you look desperate
Oct 7 2010 6:17PM
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RubberSoul
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(i hope this isnt considered skirting..) once again this is not a thread about social security.

you have a lot of good information but honestly it is not the topic of debate. we are talking about the ~14% of taxes that goes to safety net programs, not the ~20% that goes to social security. i have no interest in defending social security because i dont have the interest or the knowledge on the subject
Oct 7 2010 6:19PM
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Tyran
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it'll come as no surprise to some on here, but I totally agree with rubber soul. unlike the majority of the people bitching, this man actually pays the taxes to fund this. as do I. where is your guys' social conscience? I hate to believe everyone is so fucking self absorbed they cant spare 2.8% of their income or whatever it is. particularly when you cats crying dont even fucking PAY TAXES!
Oct 7 2010 6:21PM
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Tyran
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haha totally relevant to this conversation. absolutely appropriate, not a tangent at all, thanks woozy haha
Oct 7 2010 6:22PM
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MitchPee
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This is a good step in welfare reformation. There are far too many things welfare is spent on that should be eliminated.

I think I like Clinton's approach to this best. Your welfare payments are given to you in the form of training in a particular field while giving you the means to survive and an open ended ticket to a labor union or network of jobs. After that introduction you are on your own. No continuous or perpetual support that acts as a crutch.

Also a lot of you are incredibly ignorant to the world....as one would naturally expect on a skiing website where the common person is that of an upper middle class family that hasn't seen a rainy day. People can live in abject poverty in the US, saying the poor deserve no attention because of our country's "standard of living" shows you need to get out of your white suburb a little more than you do.

If you are going to complain about welfare slugs I fully expect people to take shots at trust fund babies who contribute nothing as well. Both are a drain on our society/economy and only the latter escapes persecution.
Oct 7 2010 6:25PM
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XtRemE11
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it really does more harm than good...
Oct 7 2010 6:26PM
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RubberSoul
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honest question, to be read in a neutral voice: can you prove that to me? id love to see your reasoning
Oct 7 2010 6:28PM
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Dntel.
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earlier you said that if you made $50,000/yr, you'd be giving around $1400/yr.

Hate to break it to you bud, but if you are trying to start a family, thats a shitload of money to just toss at a poorly regulated system that to a large degree does NOT do very much good, but instead allows a growing number of people to take advantage of something designed to help eliminate a social burden that affects all of us as american citizens.




Oct 7 2010 6:28PM
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XtRemE11
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can you prove it doesn't? I have never met one person on welfare that actually needed it. and at my previous job i met a shit ton of people on welfare. supporting lazy people who not only dont contribute, but negatively effect society is doing more harm than good IMO.

Oct 7 2010 6:39PM
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RubberSoul
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this is not something that can be proven through a handful of firsthand experiences. like i said earlier, i can list you a LOT of people i personally know who are decent, honest, hardworking people that need welfare through no fault of their own. and let me tell you they dont enjoy it. but like i said that does not prove me right any more than your examples prove me wrong. N=10-20 people simply doesnt do it in a topic with a scope this big
Oct 7 2010 6:48PM
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XtRemE11
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im fine admitting that my personal experiences dont prove me right or wrong, but you cant prove yourself right or wrong either.

i know plenty of people who could use welfare right now, but arent on it. being without a job for a couple months does suck. but just cause your in a shitty situation it doesnt make it necessary. and it most definitely does not mean it will help you out in the long run. life isnt fair, and you cant always be living comfortably and happily. and IMO some people just plain dont deserve to. the people that succeed man up and get through it, while others blame everyone but themselves and rely on other people/welfare to get themselves through hard times.

Oct 7 2010 7:10PM
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mattster
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All rubbersoul seems to be saying here is that social assistance is fucked up, people abuse it. But that's no reason to throw out the baby with the bath water and abolish the whole program entirely. As long as there are people who need it and use the system properly, we shouldn't throw it away. It needs to be reformed and It needs to have a lot of its vicious circle elements removed. But if you stopped assisting the people who use welfare as a crutch, do you really think they would put down their crack pipes and go to college? I don't. It sucks but it's the only game in town for a lot of people.

And I don't think they should put soda on the no buy list for food stamps. That's pretty silly. People buy food with their food stamps, soda is kinda like food... What's their reasoning for this? Improving the health of people on welfare? Why not go big or go home and ban soda all together. Fuck everybody, no more soda. It's expensive and bad for you nobody should drink it, rich or poor.
Oct 7 2010 7:23PM
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RubberSoul
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that was a generous estimate. not only that, but for someone that's married (starting a family), the rates are MUCH lower. in the 10%, 15%, and 25% brackets, it's literally about half what a single person would pay. after that it isnt half but it is still very significantly smaller than what a single person would pay. feel free to look them up

so, once again with a generous (in your favor) estimate, this family you want me to feel sorry for because they give taxes to safety nets are probably giving somewhere between 0 and 2% to safety nets (im not doing the math again fuck that). give me a break.


Oct 7 2010 8:01PM
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fujarome
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meanwhile, back at the legion of doom....
Oct 7 2010 8:05PM
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spkillah.
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list them. You've asked us to list ours and we delivered but you haven't done anything but repeat yourself this whole thread. Or are you too scared of getting ripped apart again.
Oct 7 2010 9:07PM
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ED.
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Does that mean no purple drank???
Oct 7 2010 9:21PM
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RubberSoul
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hahaha. dude youre a joke. surprised you didnt PM me this one LOL
Oct 8 2010 8:38AM
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RubberSoul
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i already said this multiple times:
"this is not something that can be proven through a handful of firsthand experiences. like i said earlier, i can list you a LOT of people i personally know who are decent, honest, hardworking people that need welfare through no fault of their own. and let me tell you they dont enjoy it. but like i said that does not prove me right any more than your examples prove me wrong. N=10-20 people simply doesnt do it in a topic with a scope this big"

i think this thread is over. youve taken a break, come back, and you still dont have anything to say. ive given you examples, ive actually done some of the figures, ive said what i need to say, if you want to keep acting like a 5 year old over it be my guest. i dont give a shit
Oct 8 2010 8:46AM
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spkillah.
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I think this is really funny. They're not enjoying? They better be fucking enjoying it, it's free god damn money. Don't take that for granted. It sounds like the people you know are and well as the majority of others on welfare.

RubberSoul is a joke

Oct 8 2010 1:16PM
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Abc567def
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so you're saying that someone that is living off the hard work of others should not have to be self conscious about the fact that they are buying shitty food on another persons dime? I respectfully disagree
Oct 8 2010 1:23PM
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MitchPee
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Can't you see the hypocrisy in what you are saying? You are generalizing people on welfare for the worse and generalizing people who are rich for the better.

Something for nothing is wrong either way, but it happens.
Oct 8 2010 4:44PM
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gnarles.
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good they should do it
Oct 8 2010 5:13PM
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Proze
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Is seems as if you dont know very much about EBT and WIC...hahaa
Oct 8 2010 6:08PM
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FreeBallin
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exactly.

Anyone remember the video of Ole Dirty Bastard on MTV still using his food stamps even though he was making $bank$ with Wu? Thats some funny shit.
Oct 9 2010 10:23AM
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FreeBallin
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found it!
Oct 9 2010 10:25AM
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A.Eberhard
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I hate people that use the system like that, his unemployment paid for his rent though?
Oct 9 2010 10:25AM
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IceCreamer
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Just to add, a major element of capitalism is the financial power given through   inheritance, hereditary or otherwise. In essence it embodies the inverse of the favorite capitalist cavil " How do you get something from nothing?".
Oct 9 2010 10:42AM
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LineOfSightFilms
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Dont forget about T-Bell...
Oct 9 2010 10:44AM
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