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Causes of the Civil War

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Billek
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I was watching the History Channel's in-depth special on the Civil War, but my DVR forgot to record the causes.  After seeing how crazy the war was over the 3-hour special, I was left wondering why the war started.

I asked some people, but the reasons weren't obvious.  Could you guys fill in the blanks for me so I can rest easily, knowing that the History Channel special on the Civil War is complete in my mind?


Apr 29 2010 4:43PM
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skiierman
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minorities and hippies.
Apr 29 2010 4:44PM
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rickety_cricket
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I would have to go with slavery
Apr 29 2010 4:44PM
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Gorilla.Steeze
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and you would be SO wrong. if you think Lincoln gave two shits about the slaves you are severely mistaken.
Apr 29 2010 4:46PM
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Billek
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It is more complex than that!
Apr 29 2010 4:46PM
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skiminnesota
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some states leaving the union.
Apr 29 2010 4:46PM
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An10a_Eng
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the mexican american war. we obtained shit loads of land and politics got complicated in terms of whether or not slavery should be allowed to expand into the new territories. its not the people thought slavery was wrong but they didnt want the slave economy to control the government. it was the same in slave states, they didnt want northerners controlling the government. the economies and interests of the regions were vastly different.
Apr 29 2010 4:48PM
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chardi
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^i read like half that but it sounds right.  the south left after lincoln was elected before he even did anything in office.  i thought i had more can't remember anthing from last year.  it had to do with state vs federal power, slavery, and that damn dirty ape
Apr 29 2010 4:51PM
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Billek
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking of writing on.

(big surprise, I am writing a paper on this)

Basically, the expansion of America and the States' Rights debate over slavery.


Apr 29 2010 4:52PM
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An10a_Eng
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basically. america was expanding and both sides feared an imbalance in the house/senate. the northerners didnt really care about slavery in the moral sense. they were more concerned with their own interests.
Apr 29 2010 5:03PM
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Billek
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Yeah, I am definitely gonna make a point about slavery and how it mattered a lot less than everyone thinks. 
Apr 29 2010 5:05PM
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yourthemannowdog
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idk if you are being sarcastic or not but Lincoln wasn't an activist for ending slavery, he did want to see a bunch of imbreeded dumb fuck mess up a country, Lincoln abolished slavery because it was the right thing to do, he wasn't the Mary Robinson of slavery.
Apr 29 2010 5:09PM
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An10a_Eng
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yeah. the seven years war and american revolution parallel the mexican war and civil war. in both cases an empire won a huge victory that resulted in enormous amounts of land and put a huge strain on the political system and ultimately resulted in another war about 12 years later
Apr 29 2010 5:11PM
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49566738265
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Well you would be wrong.  Any complex and abstract idea you come up with can easily be traced to slavery.  Everyone likes to steer clear of the word slavery when discussing the Civil War in fear of sounding ignorant, but saying it's not a direct and primary contributor is not the way to go.
Apr 29 2010 5:12PM
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49566738265
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Jesus Christ...
Apr 29 2010 5:13PM
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49566738265
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Agreed about the morals of slavery, but the representation in Congress was directly affected by the manner in which populations were counted (and slaves made up a very large portion of the southern population).
Apr 29 2010 5:15PM
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Billek
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Yeah, I'm not thinking about excluding it at all. 
Apr 29 2010 5:51PM
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willyg0808
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IMO it was about states rights.  after the articles of confederation ended, the states in the south were upset because they were bigger and produced more exports because of farming.  they were living happy because they had money.  in the north they were unhappy during the articles because they couldn't get money because they had poor farm land, and factories wern't that big yet.  im pretty sure they taxed connecticut more than they made, so the farmers there rebelled (shays rebellion?) after the articles ended the north and south didn't get along very well.  the south wanted to epand slavery and the north wanted it to just stay where it was.  one again the north won, so the south did what the us did in the 1700's.  they decided they didn't like it the way it was, so they would create a new country... just like the us did from brittain.  abe lincoln didn't want to recognise the south as a country, so they kept sending supplies to the forts in the south.  the war STARTED when they sent supplies to fort sumter, and the southern farmers attacted. 

correct me if im wrong.

Apr 29 2010 5:55PM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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Its quite simple really. The instigation of the super hero registration act, directly motivated by the stamford disaster in which over 600 civilians were killed, caused a deep rift in the super-human community. Those in support of the act rallied behind Iron Man, and those opposed behind Captain America. This rift eventually broke out into an all out war.



and slavery.
Apr 29 2010 5:58PM
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Billek
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You're stupid.
Apr 29 2010 6:01PM
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skiierman
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actually... at his inauguration he severely condemned slavery and all those who supported it so yeah he gave a shit or two. despite what little he actually accomplished in office, he's still recognized as one of the main contributers for slavery being fully abolished. there's a few million black people out there who would agree.
Apr 29 2010 6:16PM
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.Jack_S.
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we just watched a vid on this in history class....it mainly started because of how different the north and the south was, including slave trade, industrializing and agriculture. A lot of the stir up was because of the abolitionists in the north who the southerners hated and the slaves backed up...And then there was the rebellions from the slaves on there plantation owners after they had been freed and lived in free states and could not be re-enslaved. I believe the first sign of war was when the south captured a group of northern men and kept them hostage in an old fort....Wow my teacher would be so fucking proud of me right now.
Apr 29 2010 6:18PM
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RockyMountnHigh
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Type this into your computer and use it www.google.ca
Apr 29 2010 6:23PM
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willyg0808
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wrong

Apr 29 2010 6:30PM
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.Jack_S.
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epic fail
Apr 29 2010 7:40PM
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RockyMountnHigh
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oh im sorry do you live in the us? try yahoo.com or some shit lol. im sorry I had to do it.

Apr 29 2010 7:42PM
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theabortionator
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Them lovers up in the north tryin a say we cant be haven slaves working our land
Apr 29 2010 7:44PM
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Mr.Panda
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Ya'll damn Yankees dim done ruined our way of LIFE!!!! Ya'll gonna pay!
Apr 29 2010 7:46PM
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Holte
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Lincoln made the war about slavery because the Notherners didn't give two shits if the south seceded. But the Northerners DID care about slavery, so Lincoln made the slavery issue a bigger deal to bring the Northern states on board to fight a war.
Apr 29 2010 7:50PM
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BootySpunk.
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Thanks Wikipedia.
Apr 29 2010 7:56PM
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Nathn
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lawl to the guy saying lincoln started a war. and lawl to more americans died than in any other war.

The south started the war, the war was probably the most necessary war besides the revolution, and everyone that died was American so no shit.
Apr 29 2010 7:56PM
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*monsterskier*
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i think (from what i gathered from history class) the south believed their (states') rights were being contested so they wanted to leave, Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union, THEN he made it about slavery after the war was almost over
Apr 29 2010 7:59PM
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theabortionator
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Apr 29 2010 8:00PM
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Mr.Panda
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Apr 29 2010 8:00PM
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Apr 29 2010 8:02PM
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vailsux.com
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America kicks ass at kicking our own ass.
Apr 29 2010 8:11PM
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Mr.Panda
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Goddamnit:
Apr 29 2010 8:12PM
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Corwack10
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exactly it wasn't until he felt that the union had an upper hand on the war until he added stopping slavery as a war goal.
Apr 29 2010 9:25PM
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AALT
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Main cause of the Civil War: Jews
Apr 29 2010 9:29PM
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elemeno89
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i love the effects of our failed adolescent education systems.

here:

1.) Economic and social differences between the north and the south.  
            southern economy became a one crop economy thanks to the cotton gin and the lack of motivation to move towards other crops.  the north was mostly centered around industry, which became mostly centered around the cotton from the south.  classes became established in cities, while the south remained socially indifferent.

2.) States vs. Federal Rights
             some felt (a.k.a. the south) felt as if the newly passed constitution was taking states rights away ignoring their ability to act independently.  some felt that they should be able to participate in deciding whether or not to accept federal order, which brought about nullification.  when nullification was denied by the legislature, states began to talk of secession.

3.) fighting between slave and non-slave proponents
                 when lands acquired through actions such as the Louisiana purchase there were concerns whether or not newly admitted states into the union would be allowed to accept the practice of slavery.  thus bringing the action of the 36.30 line.  after the new lands of the mexican american war were acquired, the wilmot proviso was brought up to ban the new lands, but the compromise of 1850 brought about provisions that would balance between the slave and free states.  things like the fugitive slave act, the kansas- nebraska act (state sovereignty issue, border ruffians, and eventually bleeding kansas and the caning of senator sumner)

4.) the growth of the abolition movement (hopefully no explanation needed)

5.) the election of lincoln
           his interests laid in the "preservation of the union."  slavery was just an external cause that he used to motivate the north to BATTLE.  by the time of his election seven states had already seceded and south carolina declared secession when he was elected in 1860.

there ya go bud. 
Apr 29 2010 9:51PM
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cobra_commander
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Lincoln's week leadership.

similar to how Obama's week leadership is dividing our country right now. Except they were dealing with bigger issues then.

But ya the civil war was nasty. Over 23,000 casualties in one Day at Antietam, almost 10,000 of those K.I.A.
Apr 29 2010 10:25PM
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Mr.Panda
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Just watch Gods and Generals and Gettysburg... it may be a movie but it shows how brutal that war was. And how hard it was on the soldiers too (the two Irish Regiments killing each other in Gods and Generals "but, they are our brothers... don't they know we are fighting for our freedom?")
Apr 29 2010 10:33PM
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OhMyBosh
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lol
Apr 29 2010 10:35PM
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stokedelic
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i actually just learned about this.
some states threatened to seceed(remove them selves from union)
Apr 29 2010 10:35PM
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Mr.Panda
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They didn't just threaten they DID.
Apr 29 2010 10:36PM
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Billek
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Thanks for the help fellas.  I know 90% of what you guys posted, but I need inspiration, and that's exactly what I received.
Apr 29 2010 11:37PM
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theabortionator
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Yeah we fucking did that shit. So fuck yall analog we be digital.
Apr 29 2010 11:38PM
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