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Pow/everydayish/touring? ski?

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Sklar
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Ok, so i've been looking around for a while now, and thought i'd get NS's opinions too
I am 6' 180 lbs.
I am an expert skier, i ski all over the mountain, but very rarely park.
i am looking for a ski around 110mm underfoot to ski on pretty much any day other than an all harpack day, so pow/crud chop etc. I need stability at high speeds and groomer performance is good.
I have been looking at the Atomic Blog, Nordica Girish, S7, so far
Thanks

sparknotes: no park, looking for around 110mm, stability at speed
Jan 7 2010 8:28PM
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Sklar
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forgot to mention i will probably be mounting them with the Fritschi Freerides, or Marker Barons
Jan 7 2010 8:29PM
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DirtyMick
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JJs + Barons = $$

that's my setup and i love it.
Jan 7 2010 9:20PM
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Elephant_Snot
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JJ's + barons.

Jan 7 2010 9:25PM
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jca
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moment ruby would be an awesome touring ski.

Jan 7 2010 9:29PM
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nekBeard
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Prophet 100's may be best er' day, pow and touring. maybe a little narrower than you prefer but a top option.
Jan 7 2010 9:30PM
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t_rob
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location? the word everyday is very subjective without it.
Jan 7 2010 9:32PM
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jca
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either in a 188 or 190

188 if you want a softer, playful ski.  190 if you want more of a stiff charger.

Both are light and fun though.

Jan 7 2010 9:33PM
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Sklar
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CO, summit county

I've looked into the ruby's, but haven't been able to get very much info or many reviews
Thanks for the responses so far
Jan 7 2010 9:35PM
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Elephant_Snot
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try and get next years s7 in 195

it has a layer of metal underfoot so its ridiculously stable at speed but still simple to pivot with the rocker/ soft tips and tails

Jan 7 2010 9:36PM
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Sklar
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how are the jj's at speed in chop and groomers?
Jan 7 2010 9:58PM
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ectreeskier11
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if you know how to ski, the jj's can do everything. i was very disappointed the first few days out with them, but 20ish days later i love skiing them no matter what is on the ground. they take a bit to get used to with the weird dimensions but you really can make them work. if you mount them on the recommended line, the will handle chop/crud/chunder/whatever very well (mine are mounted a little forward, i haven't had issues), even with my mounting point if you stay centered and drive the ski it will straightline just about anything. mine are mounted with dukes (yes, i do actually own skins and tour with them on a regular basis, as well as punishing them at the bird 5-6 days a week) and i haven't has an issue yet.
Jan 7 2010 10:16PM
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iFail
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190 Bibby Pro w/Dukes
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195 S7 w/Dukes(because Dukes are the only option for this...can't wait till 2012 Solly touring binding!)

You want groomer performance, and you want to charge. and ski pow great, and tour well.  Either would be great.  For easier touring, get the Bibby since it's going to be noticably lighter(195 S7 is about 12lbs/pair).  JJs are way too damn turny on groomers and won't charge like a directional ski(S7s and Bibbys can ski switch though) and you want a ski mounted back a bit for charging for sure(and touring).  Both of these have some camber and a large rocker, and are 11_ underfoot(117ish both) and have great reviews already for being super versatile.  Do it!

Jan 7 2010 10:33PM
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benk
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I tour on Moment Comi's with Freerides and Karhu's with Silveretta's (rock ski)

Look at:
On3P Billy Goat
Moment Ruby
Moment Bibby
Armada JJ


but go with the Freerides.  Trust me the last thing you want to deal with when you're in the backcountry is having to fiddle with your bindings just to get them in tour mode.  Having to take your skis off when you'll sink to your waist in snow? no thanks
Jan 7 2010 10:40PM
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LMPJibbin
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JJ's + Dukes seem like a sick setup

ive seen some volk gotamas + dukes which are good

does anyone know if chopsticks would work with a duke or are they too heavy?
Jan 7 2010 10:53PM
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Aenigma
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I'm just a bit smaller than you and ride 191 Wrenegades on everything except absolute hardpack. From what you described I think it would be a ski worth checking out, they do everything pretty well save for moguls and ice, which I don't really enjoy anyway. Stability is up there with XXL's through the choppy stuff, and they have really surprised me so far on the harder stuff and groomers. I've ridden my Legend Pros two days out of the past season and a half since I got these; they are my do-everything ski except for when I'm out touring...and I am kind of considering getting a pair of the 181's to use for that next season. Let me know if you have any specific questions about them, I'd be happy to help out!
Jan 7 2010 11:00PM
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Sklar
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the jj's sound good, just would like to know a little more about the performance at speed on chop/groomers
i'm not a big gotama fan, but maybe katanas, the volkls seem to be a little heavy though
Jan 8 2010 12:05AM
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kronickrew
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The Movement Baggy or Movement Flyswatters http://www.movementskis.com/
Jan 8 2010 12:07AM
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ectreeskier11
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you'd be an idiot to get super 7's, even the 190 bibbys are a bit heavy. 186 bibbys would be almost as good as jj's, but as an ex racer and someone who plans on skiing 120 days this season i can tell you the jj's will handle all conditions better than almost any other ski out there.
Jan 8 2010 12:44AM
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Jamestown
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If you want stability, and you really mean it, look at Moment Garbones.
Jan 8 2010 12:58AM
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Ghini
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Moment Ruby 190, done!

Jan 8 2010 4:35AM
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PappaG
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I do a decent amount of resort skiing and touring along the Front Range and neighboring areas. IIRC, the 195 S7 weighs over 12 lbs. so you can rule that out. I spent a season on the 190 Ruby / Duke setup and 1.5 seasons on the 190 Bibby / Duke. Without question, the Bibby is the better SuCo and touring ski. You'll find yourself skiing trees more than you think and the Bibby is simply better here without sacrificing elsewhere. There are some helmet cam vids on my website that should give you a great idea of how the Bibby skis in all conditions or check out my review on NS that spells it all out.

Jan 8 2010 9:12AM
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SFBv420.0
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 If your gonna tour hard to beet the weight savings of a carbon fiber ski. Pm gear Lhasa  pow @ a 112 waist is a perfect all mountain slayer available in a 186 191 and 196 length. DPS skis aren't cheap but kill it too. There is no 110 wailer 105's or the lotus 120 the option of different flexes are nice.

 Binders there is a guy over on tgr making a plate that allows for the swapping of a dynafit binding and a duke/baron. Which gives you the best of both worlds the lightweight options for real touring where dragging a +5lb binder uphill is stupid, and the ability to mount a good 16 din rip it up in the resort/ sidecountry where dynafiddles are not ideal

Frischi freerides = the suck.

Jan 8 2010 10:40AM
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DirtyMick
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JJs destroy groomers. I don't care what anyone says, they're so fun on groomers.

They're fine at speed, and fine in the chop. They're the best for touring/Pow/Trees IMO.

They do take a bit to get used to, but once you do, they're so good it's ridiculous.

And just out of curiosity, to the guy above me, what is considered "Real touring"?
Jan 8 2010 11:37AM
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SFBv420.0
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 ^^^^^^Well this place came to mind

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Volcano tours, peak baggin, Hut /Yurt trips, 6000' slogs to ski places like this wasatch classic

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I'm not saying side /slackcountry isn't "real" touring just once you reach a point for me ~4,000' Dragging a duke or an other binding up that many steps when there is a bomber solid stiff binding that weighs 1/2 is stupid. Sure I know you can't huck big on em but once your 4 or 5 hours in to the wilderness huckin big aint real wise. 

Once you start into the ski mountaineiring aspect of touring the amount of gear you need to put on your back. Ropes, harnesses, cooking supplies bivy materials etc to do it safely makes putting weight on your feet undesireable. Light is right

Jan 8 2010 12:32PM
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EastCoast315
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Czars. I ride them everyday, I ride the pow with them, and next year I will be touring with them and some dukes
Jan 8 2010 1:18PM
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