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Diamonds
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What is the super dark black crowbar lens called? +K for answers, I dont know much about cbars :P Thanks!
Oct 26 2009 8:16PM
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Style+eeze
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black iridium?

gray polarized?

black polarized?
Oct 26 2009 8:16PM
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Diamonds
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Haha, the one that henrick has in the NZ edit? Like as black as possible looks sick
Oct 26 2009 8:17PM
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BWalmer
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probably this.
Oct 26 2009 8:20PM
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Diamonds
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thanks dude
Oct 26 2009 8:22PM
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i imagine your talking about these? thats grey polarized

Oct 26 2009 10:07PM
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Oct 26 2009 10:15PM
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Larz-the-Ninja
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Im 100% sure that it is grey polarized. They're very expensive though
Oct 26 2009 10:20PM
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family_vacation
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not black iridium. I have them and they appear more silver.
Oct 26 2009 10:20PM
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RagDoll
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Black iridium. It's a black mirror over a persimmon lens, which is why it looks browner depending on how the light hits it. You don't want polarized goggles for skiing/snowboarding. Polarization gets rid of reflected light, which you actually want to see on snow--it makes snow appear flatter/you cant see terrain features like moguls/ice/crud as well. Black iridium works, get it.
Oct 27 2009 1:43AM
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Oli_jgb
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holy facepalm...no offence dude but that's a pretty retarded thing to say.

Polarization reduces unwanted reflection and in particular, GLARE. If it got rid of all reflected light you wouldn't see anything apart from direct sunlight.

A Polarized lens is good because it increases contrast which does the opposite of what you were saying, it shows up terrain and reduces flat light. They also improve the vividity of colour and because they reduce glare they increase the sharpness of objects in the distance as well as close up.

Polarized is good if you can afford it.
Oct 27 2009 7:42AM
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effehz
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It's the Grey Polarized with Jet Black frame, I bought this last year from an Brittish site where I could get the shiz for really nothing and from one season of usage this is by far the most comfortable lens I've had, out of Fire Iridum, Blue Iridium and Persimmon.
Oct 27 2009 8:26AM
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HAHAHAHA

its a grey polarized lense like others have said. here's a pic of mine, haven't used it yet.
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Oct 27 2009 12:56PM
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damn wrong pic.
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Oct 27 2009 12:57PM
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Oli_jgb
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What website/company?
Oct 27 2009 1:00PM
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no_steeze
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black irid is not very black, it looks like a mirror so it's more silver

gray polarized is the darkest, it's a perfect compliment to ninja crowbars
Oct 27 2009 2:00PM
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RagDoll
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Used to work for Oakley, that's straight out of their literature. You're right, it doesn't get rid of 100% of all reflected light, that would be stupid and no one reads it that way.

It does reduce glare off of reflective surfaces (reflected light), ie car windows, water, ice, and snow.

It does NOT, as you say, do anything regarding color or contrast--that's what a tint to the lens does--why a persimmon lens is put behind a black mirror to achieve the same look but not lose performance. Polarized lenses are made by oakley to appeal to a market of ice climbers/mountaineers that are more interested in protecting their eyes than seeing terrain changes in snow at speed, and also to people with the money to blow that don't know any better (covers most of the people buying polarized unfortunately).
Oct 27 2009 5:32PM
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Oli_jgb
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Reduced glare results in increased contrast, because without the glare you can see the definition better between objects. Colours are more vivid because you see the object not light refracting off it at different angles from the one that allows you to define the object that you see. It's not out of their literature, it's what I know about polarization from my own meandering education.

It's exactly the same as screwing a polarizing filter to your SLR.
Oct 27 2009 6:50PM
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RagDoll
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I'm just saying, they discouraged selling their polarized goggles to skiers/snowboarders, unless that person insisted on polarized (usually 50+yo gapers with money to spend in my experience). It's not going to make it so you're blind and can't see snow, but it won't necessarily improve performance either. For $100-150 extra IMO--not worth the experimentation/"looking ninja"
Oct 27 2009 7:16PM
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Kevski
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This seems important.




Sorry dude but what you've been saying is not true and could be misleading to lots of people.

I don't know what you're talking about with people wanting glare... That's the whole reason people buy darker lenses: so they can ski on days with lots of glare and eliminate it, which allows them to see the features they're going to ski.
I know that I'd much rather ski on a regular day with no glare than in flat/glaring light conditions. Flat/glare light makes the bumps disappear, not appear, so that you don't see them, ending up getting tossed around or whatnot. If you have a lens that boosts contrast, then you can see where those bumps are before you hit them. Polarized lenses do this for sure, making them a worthy investment.

Most people don't pay over $100 more for them anyways. People have gotten them for under $100, so it's not a huge money issue. You just have to know where to look.


Oct 27 2009 7:54PM
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Kevski
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Fuck. Didn't even answer the question.

They are grey polarized that you are thinking of OP.
Oct 27 2009 7:55PM
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Diamonds
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haha thanks
Oct 27 2009 8:20PM
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rep_your_hood
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does anyone know where i can get that orage hoodie? its mad sick
Oct 27 2009 8:44PM
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ReedSkis~
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it will come out with the rest of their spring line of clothing
Oct 27 2009 8:57PM
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FiveCrew
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oh but it didnt
Oct 27 2009 9:00PM
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rep_your_hood
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yeah. its not part of their 09-10 collection. its so sick i need to find it haha
Oct 27 2009 10:08PM
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Oli_jgb
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I'm not sure if you are questioning me or the other dude...

For the record, I was basically saying exactly what you said (if you read my post, you'll see!)
Oct 28 2009 6:43AM
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Kevski
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I was questioning the other guy who worked for Oakley. Definitely agreeing with you man, we're on the same page.
Oct 28 2009 2:03PM
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RagDoll
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Its not about "wanting glare"--polarization overcompensates glare reduction in a ski/snowboard situation. your eyes are plenty comfy behind a normal iridium (mirrored) lens. When skiing/snowboarding, yes, there are times when you actually want to see reflected light (glare)--off ice patches for example.

The one place where you're both mistaken is that polarization does NOT boost contrast--tinted lenses do. That's why you'll hear shop guys pushing persimmon lenses or rose tinted lenses because they provide more contrast. Non-tinted lenses like black or grey are for people that prefer neutral/natural/accurate color. They don't boost contrast, which is why Oakley puts a tinted lens (brown/persimmon) on the inner lens, with a black outer lens coating for what they call "black iridium". Looks black, performs like brown. Awesome lens.

For the record, all my sunglasses are polarized, I love them--when I'm chilling on a deck somewhere they rock and I'm not the least bit squinty when I look at bright snow. (also great in virtually every other place on and off the mountain). My goggles are all non-polarized even though I got ridiculous discounts on them. I've never once been in a situaton (with a non-polarized iridium oakley gog) where I wished I had a polarized lens even in the brightest light conditions. Especially since the grey polarized lens has no tint, and therefore no added contrast. None taken away either, but none added.

You're both right in the sense that polarization does make your eyes more comfortable, does reduce glare a ton in bright light conditions etc. And for the average gaper lapping blue runs they're great. For people that shred moguls and variable conditions at high speed though you're probably better off without them, both for financial and performance reasons.
Oct 29 2009 2:18AM
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Kev-Hal
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So you used to work for Oakley?

I can see why you don't anymore! I have used Fire, Black, Gold and Blue iridium lenses as well as my grey polarized lenses on bluebird days. My Grey polarized lens is by far my preferred lens for that condition. However, as soon as it is not bluebird out, the grey polarized is not as versatile as the others.

Grey polarized = best sunny, blue sky lens! (and to the creator of the thread, that is the lens you were asking about. But you know that by now!)
Oct 29 2009 2:42AM
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RagDoll
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^^For the record, worked for them in an O store for 2 years, was one of their top sellers, and had to quit to go to grad school out of state...not fired, in fact they were not stoked to lose me...probably knew my shite better than anyone else there as I was a consistently top seller by far and rarely had shit returned (especially not gogs.) Was a sick gig while it lasted. Believe who you want, again not saying that grey polarized is a shitty lens to use, just that there are probably better options out there. Some people (see above) will still like it and use it
Nov 2 2009 1:15PM
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RagDoll
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Random google search turned up the following random retail tidbits regarding polarization and use on snow:

From http://www.sporteyes.com/skiing.htm

Polarized Lenses: Glare manifest itself in what is called polarized light. Glare is most noticeable on high reflective surfaces such as water and snow. Regular sun lenses do not provide adequate absorption of glare. Polarized lenses absorb 98% of the glare reflected off the snow. Note: Polarized lenses absorb so much glare that you may not be able to distinguish patches of ice from regular snow.

random lame 3rd grade sciency site, towards the bottom:
http://www.polarization.com/water/water.html

Can polarized sunglasses help in skiing and other non-water sports?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The snow glare is not polarized, so they won't provide extra help in that regard (although often advertised for that purpose).

And finally http://www.allaboutvision.com/sports/skiing.htm, which supports both my argument that polarization has nothing to do with contrast(color does..interestlingly enough they specifically highlight yellow/orange and rose as I did), and my argument that polarization MAY be lower performing in many situations than non-polarized:

Lenses used in ski goggles are frequently a yellow-orange hue. This color enhances contrast, so you can see more clearly the shapes, objects and bumps in the snow, by blocking out the blue, or hazy, end of the color spectrum. For this reason, lenses of this color sometimes are called "blue-blockers." Rose is another good contrast-enhancing color, as shown by our sports sunglass lens tint guides.

Some opticians advise against wearing polarized lenses when skiing, however, because you may be unable to see the icy patches on slopes that you'll want to avoid.

Again I spent about 5 minutes on google getting this stuff, and apologies for the gaperness of the sources. I was trying to find sources that weren't goggle manufacturer websites, which are often just trying o get you to buy the high end shit. Point is the argument is out there, no I am not making this up/full of shit, and there are real, common sense reasons why you may not want to go polarized. You will probably be able to get around just fine since we are all competent skiers, but keep in mind you will see less shit on the snow than you would with a non-polarized lens. If you want terrain features highlighted, the best thing to do is go with a orange (persimmon), rose (purple), or yellow tinted lens to boost contrast.




Nov 2 2009 1:38PM
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Oli_jgb
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Yeah I agree with most of that except a couple of your sources contradict.

I agree that coloured lenses do help contrast. As does polarisation. It's just common sense. Think about it. If I shine a torch into the corner of your eyes, you aren't going to be able to see contrast and colours as well as if I turn it off.

Similarly if you don't see much glare, you are going to be able to define objects and colours better. The ice thing also makes sense, but it would have to be a shiny patch of ice!

It's common sense, not science.
Nov 2 2009 1:57PM
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