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this is why racing makes so much more sence...
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God, with what went down in the x-games in the past week has sent the board into a frenzy. I cant help to look at the numorous threads in ski gabber about ''ohh, he got robbed'' or how ''his run sucked ass compaired to so and so's''. No one can win an event in this sport with out sending someone up the wall. Half the board, tanner lovers, are upset that he did not win pipe. The other half of the board, broken into cr, dumont, chricton, and jon (along with others) lovers really cant make up there mind on who had the best run. Fact of the matter is that they all had some killer runs, and how can one judge that? I mean, every judge HAS to have some sort of a bias towards one particular skier, and even with that said, they are judging, on what THEY thought was good. One judge may look at a backflip being the craziest thing ever, where as one judge may see that a steezed out 180 deseves more points.
With that said, racing makes so much more sence. fastest down wins. no ifs ans or buts. who cares what he looked like, or how terrible hes line was down the corse, if he gets down with the quickest time, he wins. It would end all of this bullshit ranting thats going on right now wouldnt it?
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true, but its not fastest down the pipe wins/
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they need a new system... certain tricks are worth certain points
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^isnt that what ice skating does?
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^fuck no! when it's done like that it becomes FIS!! everything should be judged by both difficulty and stlye but difficulty should take precedence over style.
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yea^ and ice skating judging never fails
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fastest down the pipe wins, that would be funny shit.
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well did something happen in the olympics last year where one of the judges cheated or something like that, and one of the Countries lost first place??...I dont know...
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I think it was the Canadians Salé and Pelletier that were robbed by the Russian's and some French woman.
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I'm working on a universal formula that takes into account number jumps, height and distance, wind speed, air thickness, weather conditions, trick difficulty, landing, length of time grab is held, and ski position in air. Let me know if I need to include any other factors into the equation. I'm going to get this done as soon as I can so all comps can be judged against the same standard, but until then we're just going to have to whine about the results.
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^yeah, it was them. That judging scandal rocked the figure skating world and changed everything.
As for the Xgames, well, without a VERY specific set of judging rules, there'll always be room for interpretation, and controversy will follow. If they switch it up to strict judging criteria, then we're back to the old FIS days. I remember reading something JF Cusson said, about rather having 1000 people saying that they got screwed at a big air contest, rather than strict judging. It was in Freeze a while ago. Anyhow, I digress. The point? Being able to debate who shoulda placed where is one of the many things that makes competitive freeskiing so great.
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yeah... diving is judge that way. You are judged on your dive and then your score gets multiplied by the degree of difficulty if your dive.
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get rid of all the judges and allow people to call in or through the internet cast in their top 3 picks.
i dunno about you guys but when i watch them ski their is almost absolutely no way to determine who is going bigger or better.
i know personally with every hit im saying holly shit holly shit holly shit and not paying attention at all to anything else besides how illmatic dutty their going
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^ that would be like a bad reality tv show
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How it's like now is the most logical way.
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racing sucks though
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In my opinion, judging will be bullshit until some of the skiers who are actually progressing some the sport retire. Mike D. is alright, and he was definately an innovator in his time, but he's been out of it for too long to be taken seriously in a judging placement. when guys like cusson and auclair and even some of the phils retire the judging will get alot better and the competitions will become fair. However, there will always be an aspect of subjectivity involved with the sport, which is why I belive that videos are the real arena for progression. Judge for yourself who has the sickest style and throws down the nastiest tricks.
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i got 2 things....
racing takes the fuckin point out of skiing. as skier's we attempt to find pow or atlest snow and stay the fuck away from ice. in racing they fuckin take the snow off the courses. it semms like it kinda defeats the purpose of skiing.
if they had the people there watching judge that'd be the best. just sayin what they thought was cool. cuz in the end style and technicality is defined by a group of people. so why not let the onlookers decide who kicked ass and who didn't?
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If you let the audience vote, the most popular would win, not the best skier. I love watching pipe, but they should do something like where the riders vote on who wins within themselves.
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yeah^ but some of the youngsters would just vote themselves. tanner, jon, belan, CR, DC all couldnt give a shit bout' xgames. its just another comp. their sponsors arent on the line if they fuck up. lets just b honest and realize there is no good way to judge
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thats why you make a rule about not voting yourself
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dude u guys no szocs and fujas were judges right, there both pretty current i dont know what u mean, and plus u cant judge a freestyle sport, thats the key FREEstyle one guys style ,ight look awesome to one guy and like shit to another, thats one of the many things i like about skiingis theres such freedom to express urself
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''racing takes the fuckin point out of skiing. as skier's we attempt to find pow or atlest snow and stay the fuck away from ice. in racing they fuckin take the snow off the courses. it semms like it kinda defeats the purpose of skiing.
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That right there is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard, and I am ashamed to be apart of the same disscusion group as you. You need to open your eyes alittle bit boy, and relize that theres more to skiing then that. I find it funny that you think that racers chase gates on ice all the time, you make it sound like when ever theres powder they go home. Think before you type you fucking retard.
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go home and shave your legs
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What's with all the hate?
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^shutup fuckface, I dont even race. I'm simply putting that there needs to be a change in things.
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^^^hehe, shave your legs, nice... i would have never thought about that. do they actually do that?
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whoever said that skiing needs to be judged? Just go skiing.
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racers, go slip into ur SPYDER Spandex and show off your cool aerodynamicly bent poles. oh yeah dont forget your gay little posse of racers to be ADD hyper on the chairlifts!
Skiing, its so damn hot right now!
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Was Pep Fujas really a judge? If so, did he really have enough power to correct how f-ed the other judges were?
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Was Pep Fujas really a judge? If so, did he really have enough power to correct how f-ed the other judges were?
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I find it funny how you can bitch about the judging, but as soon as you find out Pep was a judge, you're like 'Oh, Pep was a judge? Then all the other judges suck except Pep.' It doesn't work that way. It's like having a popular geek. Either he's a geek (sucky judge) or he's popular (sweet skier guy). You can't hate the judging and like Pep unless you know how Pep voted.
The other thing is that the only reason people are bitching is because they disagreed with the judges. It is possible that perhaps the judges were right and you were wrong. Whoever runs the X-games hired these guys to judge these events because they trust these selected judges to be fair and competent in the judging of said events. I doubt they hired Joe Citizen to say, 'Tell us what you think is cool and we'll score it first.' There's probably things judges consider that we don't even think about. They way I figger it is that if the skiers can trust the judges to judge their competition, I figger we can trust it too.
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For sure man , I completely agree , the free skiing fans have turned in to such a hipacratic comunity lately , Who did some thing better than the other ? ... who the fuck cares skiings isnt about being better than someones else , its about doing better than your self , trying new things and progressing , expressing your passion for the sport that you love to do .... Ski how you want to ski and want to ski how u ski
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certain tricks worth certain points.. no. that would be like the FIS and would completely stop progression. everyone would practice the set tricks worth the most points and wouldnt try anything super progressive in a competition.
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and its really not so much the judges that are screwed up. its more the competition rules. the judges are supposed to judge higher on certain aspects of the run than others, simon won because he had way more amplitude than jon did in his run
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but the point of comps is to decide who is better, thats why they have judges and stuff. video segments are what really matter to the true dedicated ski fans. So he won the xgames, thats just so salomon can make a sick poster for me to put on my wall. competition is lots of fun though. And it gives a chance to see the pros try on link all their sickness at once. but i really dont think the judging was all that bad. szocs has been judging for a while aswell. and the idiot that said douglas has been out of it for too long(tweak_181) your retarded....he is still in.
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Progression during competition? It makes no sense. If the judges are watching a trick for the first time what are they to think? During most judged comps competitors pull off established tricks that the judges know what to look for, and it's the athlete who does them with the best form who wins. If an athelete wants to perfom a new trick it'd be a good idea if the judges saw it on tape first. Because no one is going to try something new unless they have nothing to lose. There's way more opportunity to try new things outside of competion. Anyway, the best atheletes don't always win, or even compete.
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Who ever said racing sucks don't know shit. More top atheletes come straight out of alpine and freestyle programs than anywhere else. You're probably just a park rat anyway, so I don't have to worry about you being in the way.
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how come when i made a post about this same thing basically i got shut down....now more ppl are agreeing. oh well, i must not be cool.
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perhaps they need ppl like mosely to judge who can appreciate fully what the people are doing and judge accordinly
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what they need to do is have professional johnny mosely video game players and have them study the run and create an exact course like on the x games and have them do all the exact same stuff on the video game as on the comp and hold the grabs for the exact times and judge by the scores on that...
it probably wouldnt work
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The answer is simple: get different judges!!
Loubek and his dinosaur buddies need to pack up and go home. As for younger guys like Pep judging, they need to go to judging school first. You can't just put a really good skier in the judge's stand and expect them to properly pick the winner. It's like telling a foot doctor to perform brain surgery -- they may know the basics, but there's huge potential for screw-up.
Instead of letting idiots like Loubek continue to ruin major ski event after major ski event, we need World Cup Snowboard judges in there, because they actually know HOW TO JUDGE.
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That's not simple at all...
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y not get injured skiers or skiers that arnt in the comp to judge?
or have harvy judge
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Probably one of the hardest things for Xgames judges is that they have to judge quickly, they don't get a whole lot of time to fully think through some things. Another thing I noticed is that the score of first person sets a bar and the judges have to remember that first run to judge I competitor later on. i.e. the first skier takes his run and gets an 84. the last skier takes a run and doesn't do much more but may score higher because the runs were so far apart.
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MadTrix4Me, it IS a simple start. What could be easier than telling Loubek to take his pretty boy ass for a hike. He's done nothing but regress competitive freestyle over the past few years, and needs to stay far, far away from judging events.
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true.. the time is an issue... they dont have to much time to think it out... do they has instant replay up there in the booth or w/e??
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Skiers don't necissarily make good judges...just because a basketball player can play really well does not mean he can coach basketball...trust me, it's been tried. So, by speaking through analogies, just because a skier skis well, doesn't mean he judges well...
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