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j.bird
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they found the mass graves of iraq and all the people they have killed. it was estimated at over 300,000 people. for all you people that say bush kills innocent people in iraq, he doesn't he kills iraqi soldiers, and rebels. compare the number of civilian casualties from the iraqi government of there own people, to how many soldiers we killed. all you tree hugging faggots who say we shouldn't have been there and we shouldn't have even been involved in the situation, feel dumb. this is almost resembling the holocaust, in which you also say that the whole holocaust was faked and it was just propoganda, now you can especially feel dumb.
Nov 11 2003 10:33PM
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very well said



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Nov 11 2003 10:36PM
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j.bird
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here is a link to a newspaper proving this. but theres others too

http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/03/11/9/17728615.cfm
Nov 11 2003 10:37PM
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Ski-hobo
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when did they find this? They have found a number of graves with thousands of bodies.


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Nov 11 2003 10:38PM
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why is it that when anyones a pro war fact they have to try and make an insult on hippies or tree huggers. granted sadamm had to get out of there but what most people try to get at is not that the war was bad but how the U.S handled it. look at it now bush had no post war plans and is sucking billions of dollars out of our already depleating ecconomy.
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Nov 11 2003 10:55PM
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j.bird
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depleating economy?? our economy has grown faster in the last 3 months, than it has in 20 years
Nov 11 2003 11:36PM
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Jmwski57, u obviously dont know wut your talking about...the economy has gone up a lot



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Nov 11 2003 11:37PM
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its going up so much because it went down so much, however, its getting back up so thats good...
Nov 11 2003 11:39PM
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Ski-hobo
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300,000 people, just trying to imagine that will you.


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Nov 11 2003 11:45PM
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Danger.
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fucking holy shit, whats with you pro-war people?
the economy has not gone up more in 3 months than it has in 20 years. and you think bush actually did that?
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Nov 11 2003 11:49PM
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hahahaha you idiot.
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Nov 11 2003 11:50PM
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Just think what the 300,000 could have easily turned into if the US didn't go to war. Someone talked about this being similar to the holocaust, it easily could have been millions if someone didn't take action and do something about it. For those of you who are against the war, think about if this was happening on US soil. Would you want some other country to intervene or would you rather have to live in fear of domestic genocide.

As for the economy and what Bush did for it. Bush didn't solely make the economy magicly improve like it has this last quarter. He created programs, committies, and departments to help get the economy back on track.

People blame a lot of stuff on Bush but seriously how much affect can one man have on 220 million people. It's not so much his personal contributions as much as it is Congress approving and passing bills to get the US back on it's feet and prosper in the future.
Nov 12 2003 12:07AM
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ok: yes sadam was satan, yes he killed a lot of people, no not many died in this war, yes it was exceptionally expensive, no it was not our place to fight it and finally no our economy is not better off than it has been in years. the dollar istn doing any better and bush isnt backing it, were falling deeper into debt, jobs are coming back a little but not enough to justify the price increase in the markets and such, the shit has not yet hit the fan, but its going to. wheres that defecit going to go? its just going to get pushed forward until one day we cant support it and all those baby boomers say hey, i need my retirement money, good bye stock market, hello chinese replacement of US as #1.
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Nov 12 2003 1:21AM
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you dont want the dollar to do comparatively well in this case, because a weak dollar encourages investment in the United States, which is exactly what we need right now.

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Nov 12 2003 7:51AM
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i dont care. :-D
Nov 12 2003 9:44AM
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bush does what he wants hes an asshole
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Nov 12 2003 9:56AM
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Bush is too stupid to be an asshole, that's why he has his special little panel to be assholes for him...it's just that he's caught up in the middle of things and doesn't know what to do becuase he's so scared...time to call daddy...
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Nov 12 2003 11:55AM
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Concord
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Isnt this suppose to be a ski site im getting so sick of all the people getting so political on here, it is starting to make me hate people that i dont even know.


Member # 5329 I have been on here for such along time and i dont even have that many post.
Nov 12 2003 12:39PM
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j.bird
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hey threesixtyFS i never said that he did that. someone above said that it was all bushes fault that our econmony is still depleting and that it was stupid to go to war. im proving him worng. i never said one word about bush doing anything you ignorant piece of shit.
Nov 14 2003 5:38PM
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west
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Thats why this is in the non-ski gabber. The whole fucking forum is for shit like this.




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Nov 14 2003 5:43PM
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bigtreefallhard
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yea a war will help stimulate an economy. all the stuff being produced helps us




what you gonna do when shit hits the fan, are you gonna stand and fight like a man, will you be as hard as you say you are, are you gonna run and go get your bodygaurd
Nov 14 2003 8:44PM
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DRISKEY
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ok i got a few things to say to you typical ignorant americans (im american myself, but i try and educate myself and not listen to eveything the media says)

a) Whats that ski movie called that came out 2 seasons ago by PBP? oh yea... PROPAGANDA. and believe it or not, its not just a cool name for a ski movie. Pretty much everything you hear from the media about the war is propaganda. and pretty much everything that the government says about the war is a lie.

b)go to www.propgandhi.com and first read the quote on the home page. then click under 'knowledge is power' and then click on the first picture that says 'US foreign policy: a lesson in hypocrisy, and read it. and i guarantee you it will change your look on the war.

c) destruction, you need to change your icon right now.

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Nov 14 2003 9:01PM
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bigtreefallhard
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ooooo i gotta check out destruction's icon





what you gonna do when shit hits the fan, are you gonna stand and fight like a man, will you be as hard as you say you are, are you gonna run and go get your bodygaurd
Nov 14 2003 9:04PM
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DRISKEY
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his icon is the same as myne. he copied me. and he will pay severe consequences if he doesnt change it.

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Nov 14 2003 9:11PM
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the war needed to happen, but it did not need to happen in the way that it did, very not very well th9ought out, and unorganized, no post war plans, and if there were, they were thrown together in a short time sapn. the economy may have gone up wuite a bit, but it isnt near where it was 20 years ago, it just went up from the bombhole we are in
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Nov 14 2003 10:12PM
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ECFS-Attitash
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have a little patience, do you know how long it took to pass the marshall plan after world war II? much much longer than we are taking now, setting up a post-war plan for iraq.


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Nov 14 2003 10:19PM
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j.bird
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i kno all the media is just propaganda, wether it be for or against the war, it goes both ways. but no, not everything is a lie and if everything in the world is propoganda, then where do u base your oppinions from?

im just saying that when people say 'everything is a lie and its all propoganda and its all lies,how the fuck do you know??? are you there?? doe you know everything about it?? every news is going to be biased to influence one person. thats why its good to watch a variety of news channels. alot of people say that FOx news is extremley conservative viewed, you are wrong they have alot of extreme liberals on that network also. they show both sides of the spectrum whereas other networks such as CNN (The clinton news network) is very democratic, and so are most local stations so people are not used to hearing the republican view at all, so it shocks them when they hear or see something they don't agree with.

it kinda puts things into perspective.
Nov 15 2003 1:53AM
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They found these like a while ago, and its no big supreise that Sadam was fucking crazy.



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Nov 15 2003 11:28AM
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ok, time for me to chime in. i thought that i was the only conservetive on this site... bravo! but seriously, everything you guys say about propaganda, how its completley not true, and for all we know the media is keeping the war alive, SHUT THE FUCK UP. its true that we probably dont get the straight facts 1/2 the time, but even then, the news isnt that far distorted. im sad to say that all these liberals are a result of middle class liberal parents, weened on CNN and MSNBC. ane person said that there are too many political threads on here. is that really bad? all you CNN'ers are finally seeing another side of politics, something that absolutley ANYONE can benifit from.
ive said it before and i'll say it again, going into iraq was the right choice. it sucks that we spent so much money, and lost so many troops, but remember, the troops volenteered. if it was a draft you could go ahead and bitch about all these casualties, but no. there was no draft (if you didnt notice) and they all knew full well about the dangers.
i would like to adress the moral problem. it is my opinion that we need to get new fresh faces in, and indefinatly remove troops over there. i really feel sorry for the guys that have been there since july or earlier. if theres one thing that needs to be done in this (post)war, it is to fix morale.
next, i think that while the initial war was 'right', we need different post war procedures. instead of the US playing the part of policemen, we need to rebuild the government, which was the whole point of this operation. dont even say it was about the oil.
and for those who doooooo say it was about the oil, look at this interesting fact; we have oil rigs in the pacific getting enough oil for our country (which liberals hate). we are sitting on top of one of if not the largest oil reserve in the world: alaska. we could drill there and be set forever (which liberals hate 'oh no! you'll kill a squirrel!!!') and then we have iraq (which i dont belive is meant to be an oil supply. we could drill there, but guess what? liberals would hate that too! so i ask you, any liberal out here... where should we drill?
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Nov 15 2003 11:55AM
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um...those were mainly graves of iranians who tried to create an uprising against sadam. And if i recall, the CIA has their fair share of blood soaked hands in that matter.



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Nov 15 2003 12:06PM
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good point ^^ and also id like to add, that the purpose for this war was to get saddam outta the throne(for lack of better words) we all know what he was doing to his own people. killing women and children in fron of men to make them join the army. and liberals always say just leave him alone and he'll leave us alone, and don't worry about it. well the whole situation is a lose lose. either we go in get rid of saddam, re-instate the government, to allow them to build back up and still have a country with a safe enviroment to live in (which has never happened in any country in the middle east). then when nothing big happens and no one gets hurt because he is gone people will say look see, nothing happened its just a big joke. or we just leave him alone and let him do what he wants and then all of a sudden when he does something that will deeply effect everyone in the world, people will say what the hell was the government thinking?? they knew about this and they should have stopped it. Kind of like september 11th, when all the liberals blamed george bush for not doing anything. for just letting things happen. well then you get all kinds of pissed off when we try and do something about it.

And when people talk about the decisions our government is making, they say wee ll george bush this and george bush that. Have you realized that the president has not all the say. he basicly has little say and his job isn't to make all the decisions. he is just the head figure in the government, which has evolved into a tiny position because congress and the house of reps have all the say so don't even try to say that everything is one mans fault. it is a series of decisions made by many people including yourself.
Nov 15 2003 1:09PM
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j.bird
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i was saying good point to skierdudeguy not petek

And how the fuck do you know that jesus was a liberal?? thats just made up bullshit. liberals are supportive of gays, adultery and and many other things that go agasinst the bible. in the bible it says in numerous places that these are wrong so shut the fuck up and quit making bullshit lies.
Nov 15 2003 1:11PM
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not more bitchin about iraq
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Nov 15 2003 4:03PM
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linejibber550
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for the first time ever mommy has said the most intelligent thing in this thread. and u people trying to be smart and intelligent its not working. we got fucking luigi, a middle finger, zoolander, the pink ranger, and some breasts talking about political issues! ure not that intelligent get over yourself and shut the fuck up about politics u wanna talk about political issues go a political forum or start a cult, 90% of this is kids 13-17 like me.
Nov 15 2003 4:27PM
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^and now we have bob saget. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Nov 15 2003 4:39PM
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linejibber550
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^haha damn straight!
Nov 15 2003 6:17PM
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skierdudeguy
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shut the fuck up. thank you skininsted. i have realized the exact same thing about how we get bitched at no matter what. and still, someone needs to answer my question....
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just stand closer to the explosion. it will make it seem biggger.-aoe
Nov 15 2003 7:24PM
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war is the answer to NOTHING so shut up
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Nov 15 2003 7:37PM
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skierdudeguy
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how bout the sad truth is that war is the answer to a lot of things.
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yeah this one time, I got really wasted, and took the most violent shit ever. serious. my ass and I fought for most of the night, but in the end I was vitorious, until that back stabber attacked after our treaty, and i had to get new boxers - lineskier03

just stand closer to the explosion. it will make it seem biggger.-aoe
Nov 15 2003 9:13PM
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for u and your breasts perhaps, but not for canada
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Nov 15 2003 9:49PM
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j.bird
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linejibber why don't you shut the fuck up bitch. you havn't contributed shit to this whole fucking site so i suggest you take yer gay ass out of this thread. Just because yer not fucking smart enough to understand what the fuck is going on you have to act like a faggot and try to be funny. now leave cockface
Nov 15 2003 9:51PM
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DRISKEY
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ok yea linejibber, you are definetly a fuck ass cuz this is definetly a intellectual thread different views of the war. and what mommy said wasnt intelligent at all. if you dont care about the war in iraq it just shows how fucking ignorant you are.

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Nov 15 2003 10:17PM
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skier dude. ill answer your question.

first off your making a huge generalization about liberals. not every liberal wants to drill nowhere so we don't 'kill a squirrel.'
most liberals are well aware of the fact that oil drilling is innate to our country. of course we can't drill in white space and hurt nothing. but we can help things. initially, bush planned to drill in portions of alaska where there were thousands of untouched forests - independent ecosystems not yet explored. this would damage the area. since then...
bush has moved the oil drilling location to a different part of alaska. the tundra. and now i am going to agree with bush. by drilling in the tundra where very small amounts of organism populations are we hurt virtually nothign. and at the same time we provide jobs and an economic boost to local indian tribes. don't jump up about that either - the indians are actually imploring the idea. they would have more money to build better houses and better schools and modernize their town. so tahts a plus.
a shining gem in bush's string of economic ignorances.

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Nov 15 2003 10:50PM
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good job skiinsted
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Nov 15 2003 11:09PM
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Its almost midnight and i have stubled upon this thread, having not bothered to read many of the posts (i have tried, i cant really see the screen) ill give some of my opinion. Pretty far up in the post, several people mentioned Bush being an stupid, or in someway mentally handicapped. He isnt, say what you will but you arent going to set foot in the whitehouse being a retard. And on the war in Iraq, i agree with earlier posters in saying that the soldiers stationed there are volunteers, If they were part of a draft (something that still has some relevence, ask not what your country can do for you) i could see it differently. On people who believe that we are taking too many casualties in Iraq, more people died in a day during WW2 than all during Iraq so far. Although im not sure of the exact number, i believe that there have been around 400 deaths so far (correct me if im wrong). The media and many liberals(i hate the term, it is too confining, but it must do) feel that this is too many, but if we were to just pull out, and leave Iraq to the Iraqies well, lets just say that history has shown us that this is not the approach to take when you wish to create a viable nation sometime in the near future. But cant we give control of the reconstruction of Iraq to the UN? No, they dont want it, whatever they say about wanting it, well, even if they do, where are they going to get the troops to keep the peace? Not france, not russia, not germany. Where will they get them? From us, America. If we give up control of the interim governance of Iraq to the UN, we will still have troops and money tied up in Iraq, but we will have no control over them.
I am not sure if i have answered all of the issues involved in this thread, infact it being late, im sure that i didnt, and what i did answer is most likely garbled at best, but take from it what you will, and feel free to flame, because everyone needs a viewpoint. But do us all a favor and give some reasons, thanks


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Nov 15 2003 11:35PM
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I hate dumb people. I'm tired of dumb people populating this earth. I wish everyone with an idiotic comment would just shut the hell up. Stopping protesting things you can't change, stop spreading your worthless words and ideas. LEAVE ME BE!



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Nov 16 2003 12:41AM
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j.bird
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shut the fuck up bitch. we don't need you to say stupid ass shit when we are actually having a productive debate
Nov 16 2003 1:40AM
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^says luigi from super mario brothers
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Nov 16 2003 1:02PM
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bigtreefallhard
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damn i thought destruction had an icon with like dead people and shit




what you gonna do when shit hits the fan, are you gonna stand and fight like a man, will you be as hard as you say you are, are you gonna run and go get your bodygaurd
Nov 16 2003 2:15PM
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DRISKEY
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americans glorify war. they make it seem like going to war is the greatest thing. and truthfully i thinking dying for your government is a bunch of fucking shit. but thats irrelevant for what i have to say. People dont realize how terrible war actually is. they see it in the movies and it looks like a good time shooting a bunch of bad guys just like in video games. and then when they get there they go crazy from everything they have to witness. yes they volunteer, but they have no idea what they are getting themselves into and most people regret going to war, becuase they see other HUMAN BEINGS both allies and enemies being killed. and it really doesnt matter who it is you see being killed, becuase its still gunna have an affect on you.

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Nov 16 2003 3:11PM
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i wasnt neccesarily talking to you whoever said something about me
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