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rudeboy_87
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i ordered rossi scratch boots off the internet... (yeah i know not good to buy boots online but i dont live in the mountains where there are ski shops out the ass so it was my only option)

i have had them on for a few hours now... walking around my house.... sitting... jumping around... running... i even clicked into my old sticks on the living room floor to test them out with some butters...

the overall fit of the rossi boot is good for my foot shape i believe... it feels snug around my heel and ankle and through the midsection of my foot.. not tight... just snug... there arent any pressure points that are bothering me anywhere or anything like that...

my toe touches the end of the boot... barely... but the toe area seems to have alot of extra space in it... its not like the horizontal length is too big its the vertical space in the toe area... i can really wiggle my toes pretty freely and it worries me... when i had my skis on popping up on the nose and such my heels lifted slightly and when i would pop back on my tails i could notice that extra room in the toe area... but just in the normal skiing position and flexing them they feel good (like i wouldnt want them any smaller it seems)

i have tried  adjusting the buckles in a number of different ways so dont tell me to do that....
i dont have a ski shop close by so dont tell me to go get fitted... and the people that sell boots at my hill's shop are fucking idiots (you wouldnt believe some of the shit ive heard them tell people just to get them to buy something)
i have read the boot fitting thread in its entireity so dont tell me to look there or searchbar...

i just need some opinions based off of what i have told you... do you think i will be upset with the bit of extra room that seems to be in the toe?

i dont know if i should send them back for a size smaller or what cause im afraid if i get a size smaller, then other areas of the boot will be tight and create pressure points like around my ankle or midfoot...

it would be great if i could get some knowledgeable input. not some crap from some kid whos boots dont fit right either...

much thanks...
Nov 19 2007 7:18PM
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Rippy087
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exactly what boot did you get? some boots are supposed to have more room in the toe box. ex: salmon spk kaos's
Nov 19 2007 7:27PM
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rudeboy_87
Posts: 434 - Karma: 10
the scratches.... the all white ones... park boot... ya know
Nov 19 2007 7:30PM
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rudeboy_87
Posts: 434 - Karma: 10
bumpzers...
Nov 19 2007 8:01PM
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RudyGarmisch
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You bought boots without going to a bootfitter. You bought them off the internet. You now are asking advice over the internet. Go to a bootfitter.
Nov 19 2007 8:09PM
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thefilmerguy
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thats exactly what he asked not to be said...you are contributing nothing to this thread

anyhow, if you can get your hands on some superfeet footbeds, buy some and put them in there. or better yet, bring you boots and try a pair as the insole of the boot. it will take up some volume in the boot and pull your foot up and back and add arch and heel support.  if that is still not enough room, (i dont recommend doing this but..) try putting the footbed in WITH the stock insole

Nov 19 2007 8:16PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I think its completely ridiculous, I'm sorry. No matter how good he tries to explain it, its takes a knowledgeable experts eyes and expertise to truly mate your foot to the best boot. Any answer he gets on here is going to be half ass at best, even if its from a solid bootfitter.
Nov 19 2007 8:21PM
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RudyGarmisch
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And dude, I would drive a full day to get to a good fitter. Its worth it.
Nov 19 2007 8:23PM
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rudeboy_87
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fitter is not an option...
Nov 19 2007 8:42PM
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RudyGarmisch
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How far are you from a good one, honestly? Checked the regionals for a good shop?
Nov 19 2007 8:48PM
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rudeboy_87
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i ski in indiana.... k?  yeah no fitter.... alright im not positive... but the only time u ever see or hear the word "ski" in this area is on a sign when u are about 10 miles from the hill.... and even if their was i dont have the extra money for that and i need boots like now...

Nov 19 2007 8:52PM
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thefilmerguy
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do what i said, it will help the most without a proper bootfit
Nov 19 2007 8:54PM
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Silence
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if there is ample room over the top of your foot, and also in the toebox then you could consider putting a second innersole in the boot to fill out the space.

No point going shorter as it really won't decrease the width, mainly length (It sounds right if you are already touching the end).
I guess you could try a shellsize down and get some heel wedges to bring your toes back off the end?..

There really isn't much you can do to minimise the space in the toebox. If you aren't moving side to side (i.e its a good firm fit with the width at your forefoot), then thats not a major problem.
One other method is to take the liner out and put padding inside the shell around the area above your toes, this should then slightly fill up that area when the liner is in the boot..

As you know, and as has been said - there isn't much useful advice you will get on here because nobody is able to see your feet and see the boot in person - its really something a bootfitter needs to see to be able to offer a remedy for.

All in all, if you are going to keep the boots, buy some rubber strips that shops use to pad out liners/shells with, and then maybe try to fill out the toebox area so there isn't as much space.
Sucks that you don't have a bootfitter within an hours drive.
Why not take a big drive to a different mountain one day and stop off at a bootfitter on the way?
Nov 19 2007 8:57PM
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720skiguy
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you said you adjusted the buckles... were you cranking them down hard?

if so, your prolly in a shell size that is too big. the buckles are not there to hold you in tight, just to wrap the boot around your leg. the shell itself if it fits right you shouldn't have to clamp the buckles down hard.


take out the liner, move your toe to the front. how many fingers can you fit behind your heel?
generally 1 for a race fit, 1.5 for performance, 2 for recreational.

like someone said certain boots like the spk have a wider toe box for balance on rails

otherwise i'm pretty sure your shell is too big, and if going down in shell size is going to give you pressure points and shit your in the wrong boot.
Nov 19 2007 9:00PM
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rudeboy_87
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cool thanks for the input looks like im gonna send them back and get a smaller shell...

i was cranking the buckles down pretty far...
Nov 19 2007 9:17PM
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thefilmerguy
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no the shell size isnt too big, his toes should be grazing the end of the boot when he is standing up normally like he would be in the lift line or something, and if that is the case then dont send the boots back.  what size did you get by the way? because a 27 and a 27.5 have the same shell, so if you have a 27.5 or some half size, then it would be pointless to get a 27 because it just has a smaller liner that will end up expanding to fit like a 27.5

pm me if you want and we could talk more
Nov 19 2007 9:25PM
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WoodyE
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what you have explained to us is not a big deal if your doing park and "gentle skiing". What I mean by that is that the extra toe room may affect like a super g carve balls. but if your heel comes up a little bit, thats not a big problem.  what would be a problem is if your foot can move lateraly (like stand up and try to move just your foot left and right only from your ankle without moving your leg). if your foot does move laterally thats no good and will take a tremendous amount of energy out of your turns and it will fuck up your balance. but when you walk around and it doenst hurt, feels good, and secure.  it should kinda fit like a glove. im srry thats pretty vauge though.  but ya dude, toe room isnt that much of a problem, it will aid your balance and keep your toes warmer.  shit that was kinda long but hope that helps.
Nov 19 2007 9:46PM
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720skiguy
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he shouldn't have to crank his buckles down like that though. also keep in mind that the liner is going to pack out.

and word on the 27/27.5 thing, same thing just the 27.5 has a thinner footbed

so if you do send them back, make sure you actually go down a shell size

i know there is one company online that will send you two different sizes of the same boot and give you a free return label so you can try them both on and send one back. untracked.com? als ski barn?
Nov 19 2007 10:40PM
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Celone
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just add some extra soles... it will raise your foot more and give you extra padding... thats what sounds like a good thing to do to me...
Nov 19 2007 11:01PM
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Silence
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thats a pretty good idea to get online boot sales happening..

there will never be a substitute for a good bootfitter though
Nov 19 2007 11:02PM
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720skiguy
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that's like wearing two condoms haha
Nov 19 2007 11:04PM
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*Koolaid*
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Yup, Als is correct. Such a smart thing to do.
Nov 19 2007 11:04PM
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yeahitsdave
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custom footbeds would help a lot.

what type of skiing are u doing? if its all park and some general cruising, dont sweat it.
Nov 19 2007 11:20PM
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WoodyE
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wut i mean to say ^
Nov 19 2007 11:23PM
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thefilmerguy
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he doesnt need to go down a shell size though, the length is correct in the boots he is in now. if he goes down a shell size, it may require shell grinding or special work to the boot to get the length right. stay with the same size...having room in the toe isnt much of a deal either. better stabilty on landings and rails, and as long as you dont have room to move your foot from side to side then you are going to be ok. its not a HUGE problem
Nov 19 2007 11:41PM
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Silence
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i think if he's just grazing the end, then it's definitely possible to get into a smaller shell size. that liner will pack out, and usually with an agressive fit, there can be quite a lot of pressure on the end..

Ultimately, its best to go as small as possible. Boots can be expanded to a certain degree, but not shrunk, and they WILL pack out
Nov 19 2007 11:44PM
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BrigadeBC
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Hey dude, sorry about the boots. Speaking from a shop employee's point of view, take them into any shop that seems to have some people who can actually fit boots well and tell them whats up. They should have somethings in the back called "shims" we use them to take up some extra space in the boot to make it a little more tight. its like an extra foot bed pretty much. it doesnt seem like you are in a completely wrong size i just think they need adjusted a tad more to ur foot so take them into a shop!
Nov 19 2007 11:49PM
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Freestyla_01
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With my old boots I used to cut the toes off of a pair socks, somewhere around middle of my foot, and wear those underneath my ski socks, just to beef up the space around my toes. Also kept my feet a bit more cushioned.

Nov 20 2007 5:35AM
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