So this kid in my english class

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Many people us patriotism as just another way to justify an "us against them" mindset.

Nov 14 2007 9:22PM

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sorry that was harsh and i wanna remove all the curse words

Nov 14 2007 9:23PM

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because half of you fuck bush kids have no idea whats really going on and do it because its a fad and the cool thing to do. notice i said half of you i will say have legit knowledge of whats going on and ipersonally dont mind whats going becuse we rid the world of a horrible man. But it bugs me when people say fuck bush and shit and have no idea why they are saying it and you can tell they are saying it to fit in. it really pisses me off

Nov 14 2007 9:24PM

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so yeah good job for ripping the kid a new one i would have too

Nov 14 2007 9:25PM

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amen, i wouldve been right there with you rippin them a new one.

Nov 14 2007 9:27PM

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How exactly did we have too much patriotism? American flags on every home is too much pride in your country?

Nov 14 2007 9:28PM

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well first of all before you went and made mass generalizations i didnt tear the kid apart my friend did and this paper had to have some facts and like i said the kids paper was completly opinionated. he didnt say anything about supporting the troops or the war and my paper didnt sound like everybody elses so stop making such huge generalizations

Nov 14 2007 9:28PM

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I think that anyone who believes that they are either a conservative or liberal, or a little bit of both, is dumb.

Nov 14 2007 9:29PM

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that actually sounds like myself and Alpine3 in class. The two of us are the only conservative kids in my school and used to sit there in honors english and rip kids apart, and even teachers. good job.

Nov 14 2007 9:29PM

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Um all parties aside, he is right, and you are uneducated.

Nov 14 2007 9:30PM

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thanks

me and this kid are also the only 2 conservatives in my government class it goes down in there

Nov 14 2007 9:31PM

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I love Government. Everyone in my class is either Hardcore conservative or koolaid drinking liberal. I'm probably the only moderate one. I usually pwn in debates though because I have taken debate and you learn good debating skills on NS actually. Alot of people on here are really great at debating.

Nov 14 2007 9:34PM

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its too bad you're closed minded and had to use intimidation to prove a point.

Nov 14 2007 9:37PM

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Waving flags doesn't have anything to do with this. It's about the policies morons support because they feel like they are more important than the rest of the world and like to be on the winning team...war isnt a goddamn sport.

No one benefits from it except the companies making the weapons/stealing resources. I saw an estimate that the war cost a family of 4 $20,000...so far. I wonder where that money went. Oh yea, corporate coffers.

Because a large percentage of our country supported killing hundreds of thousands of people when they really didn't know what the fuck was going on. "Yea, lez kil dem A-rab sand neggers!"

Nov 14 2007 9:39PM

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we all supported the war and were gung-ho america fight until it started costing us money and people

were in the war already we cant back out now even though now we are paying for it

Nov 14 2007 9:41PM

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god finally someone thinks the same way as me. and for the creator, why would you ask him about his paper being opinianated? of course its opiniated. a lot of intelligent literature is. sit down you hick.

Nov 14 2007 9:41PM

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In about ten years you'll run into that kid again and bring this incident up. It'll be like "Hey dude! Remember that time in english class when you wrote that paper and I said it was stupid and we laughed at you? Wasn't that great?" To which he will reply, "Yeah... listen, can I have my Big Mac meal please, I'm kind of in a hurry."

Nov 14 2007 9:42PM

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war is good for the economy its a proven fact so it benifits many people. but my cousin is in he army so i also feel the downside as well.

Nov 14 2007 9:43PM

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unless the paper was on your thoughts on patriotism then it wouldn't necessarilly be an opinion paper. What if it was to write about patriotism and how it has affect the economy? military action? or how "surges" of it come about, maybe defining patriotism, how the rest of the world views a countrys patriotism from the outside....

and I'm willing to bet that either every other kids paper in the class sounded like the others whose parents watch CBS news at night, read the New York Times and are huuuuge fans of what Rosie O'Donnell being lesbian has done for society. Kids listen to what their parents tell them when it comes to politics becasue thats what they hear and form their opinions on.

And again, I'm willing to bet that in a debate the kid would flop because when writing his paper he put in opinion without realizing it because it was in the shitty sources that he used(ie: wiki, google etc.

Nov 14 2007 9:43PM

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What the fuck is with everyone's obsession with siding with a party and staying with them no matter what? I'm so sick of kids that are so anxious to jump on any political debate and shove their opinions down someone's throat, regardless of the party they associate themselves with. I remember this one kid in my English class freshman year who was so concerned with coming off as an "intelligent conservative" that he took every chance he could get, and a couple he had no right taking, to push his own political agenda in everyone's face. Unfortunately for him, he was far from intelligent, and had the hardest time coming off that way. The idiot was so concerned with being the next Rush Limbaugh that even when someone with more knowledge of politics than him completely shut him down with logic, the kid would just say something dumb like, "Well I don't care, that's your problem." He would actually go out of his way to come off as a racist, sexist, bigot. Stop worrying so much about arguing all the issues in favor of your chosen party, take the time to think the issue through, and formulate your own opinion. Then, before you go and get into every argument you can, stop yourself again, say, is this worth it? What will I gain from this? Will I actually sway this person's opinion my way? Is it worth both my time and theirs?

Nov 14 2007 9:45PM

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not when its guerilla war, neither Iraq or Vietnam did wonders for the economy.

Nov 14 2007 9:46PM

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we need tanks, bullets, guns ect. in large amounts which will create more jobs which increases spending which helps the economy.

Nov 14 2007 9:47PM

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I understand that, its been proven in WWI and WWII.

But hows the economy doing during the war in Iraq war?
How was it after Vietnam?

It doesn't work with no declared enemy.
Communism& Terrorism are not physical enemies. So it doesn't really apply for the war on Iraq.

Nov 14 2007 9:51PM

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See, I dont have a problem with somebody having a differing opinion than me. good for them. I just cant stand when people jump on a ban wagon without understanding what people are arguing or fighting about. Truthfully, of all of the people that hate our administration right now, how many do you thing actually bother to understand what is happening? not a whole not, and its a shame.

I dont get mad when people have a differing opinion, I respect their opinion, as lopng as they stick to it and have a reason for it.

Nov 14 2007 9:51PM

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this isn't really a debate...this is more of killing the people who posted their thoughts and ideas Oh yeah, and alot of cussing. Just because you are liberal or conservative dosn't mean you support or neglect the conflict in iraq. Those are generlizations, as for me i'm conservative and know alot of people that have gotten shot in iraq. But we can't exactly pull out because if we do the exact same thing that happened to vietnam will happen to iraq. Like it or not, were in it. but i understand it would be a good idea to pull out, but I just don't even want to imagine the outcome of the innocent people who are sunni and shiet, it will be a civil war like you wouldn't belive

Nov 14 2007 9:52PM

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we have a winner

Nov 14 2007 9:52PM

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haha wow this isnt WWII where its a nation wide effort to support the war...where mothers are going to work in B-52 factories. It is all private weapons contractors which puts money in the rich owners pockets. You think 3.5 trillion in debt is a great thing for the economy?Â

Nov 14 2007 9:53PM

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Believe it or not some people had enough sense to oppose the Iraq war from the start. The International Atomic Energy Agency told you Iraq did not have WMDs, but you believed a trustfund baby with a resume that looks like this...

Past work experience:

Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.
Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

And his oil man croney that looks like this...

All you have to do is look at history and realize that except in the case of ongoing mass genocide that no wars that I can think of have actually benefited the people.

Nov 14 2007 9:54PM

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Pretty much what I was saying, just used a different example.

Nov 14 2007 10:01PM

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The economy we participate in today is vastly different than the one we had in WWII.

Then it took a workforce of millions and millions of people to get all our equipment made and shipped out. Factories were hiring anyone willing to work. Everyone was getting a piece of that war money.

Today with IT technology, mechanization, and tight supply chain management there isn't that huge labor class sharing in the $$. They don't need human labor like they used to. It goes straight to management/CEO. This is basically the direction capitolism will continue to go will massive corporate mergers and multinationals. They cut out the middleman.

Nov 14 2007 10:02PM

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LIBERAL rules

Nov 14 2007 10:05PM

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pDails

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why you gotta go and make cool-aid sound like something bad? come on bro...leave the cool-aid out of it!

Nov 14 2007 10:06PM

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OH YEAH!!! sorry for bringing my favorite soft drink into this.

Oooh I got a good burn
Your moms pussy has seen more black lips than purple kool aid.

Nov 14 2007 10:24PM

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i dont know how any reasonable person could be a patriot of this country, the whole thing that america cares about the world and only wants to help is bullshit, america is like a little fucking bratt that nobody likes but he has lots of guns so he takes out his aggression by shooting foreigners

Nov 14 2007 10:45PM

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Word

Nov 15 2007 12:39AM

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bahaha if you're going to bash something, at least spell things right, aka Cheney and Condoleezza (which you probably didn't know how to spell in the first place, hence the nickname).
personally, i consider myself a fiscal conservative

Nov 15 2007 4:18PM

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I'm consrevative and I've noticed the general trend is an anti-war, liberal, hate bush thing. But most people say they hate bush but they just say it almost like a popularity thing.

Nov 15 2007 4:26PM

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Maybe he knew something the IAEA didn't

Maybe he knew Iraq had WMDs because Regan gave him the receipts.

GW's mistake was giving Saddam four months notice ahead of time to send them to Sudan.

Nov 15 2007 4:42PM

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Oh my God. Some of you guys are so ignorant and dwell too much in one area. We needed to check on Iraq because Horney Clinton didn't. Clinton wanted to be popular which he succeeded in because he didn't invade Iraq OR Afghanistan. Clinton even said they had the same exact intelligence. Did you see what happened? There was a fucking terrorist attack. No one likes our guys over there being killed. You make it seem as though Bush is some kind of murdurer. But they need to be over there for order, AND they are training their police. People, stop looking at this war as something so negative and evil. My dad showed me a video last night of an A-10 pilot taking down 4 terrorists two miles above, and to tell you the truth it was very disturbing. Whoever doesn't appreciate what the troops are doing for you need to rot in hell. Bush is just doing the job Clinton didn't do.

Nov 15 2007 5:18PM

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even if you dont like the war you need to support the troops

Nov 15 2007 5:46PM

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