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Invaders vs. Nothin But Trouble
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Can you guys tell me thevpros and cons of both skis...and witch ski you would get. Thanks
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Those would depend on what you ski. A little info would help...
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^What I do know is:
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PROS
Fun, soft, poppy ski. I really liked them, but too soft for my park ski liking. Symetrical, easy to carve, balanced. Great for the price.
CONS
Have some construction issues. Not a top quality ski. Not as durrable as other offerings from LINE
I have never ridden a dynastar ski, so I cant help with the nothin' but trouble's
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errr good call.. 100% park i ski them pretty hard.
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i don't know anything about Line other than what L^^ but my buddy has the Nothin but troubles and seems to like them. he skis all around though, and likes the versitility so if park really is your thing, idk
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Yea, probably better off with Nothin But Troubles.
Both cheap park-only skis, but if you ski 'em hard, go with Nothin' But Troubles. Bigger company.. probably more experience in the sense that they haven't had issues like the Invaderss.
invaders are known for delam as well as other issues, they claimed to have fixed it last year but there still seemed to be some probblems.
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i've skiied TMs, the NBT's big brother. had no problems with them. the NBT are gonna be a lot stiffer tahn the invaders so you won't wash out as easily. they are also like 100 bucks more than the invader. if you want that super soft buttery ski then invaders. but if you want a little bit more pop and stiffness go with the nbt's
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I have some TMs, they were my first park ski and they're sick. Held up really nice, and are a good entry ski IMO since they're mid stiffness, and offer a great balance between all mtn and park. They hold awesome edge on all mtn, but by all means are awesome even at 100% park.
NBTs are a cheaply made TM from what I understand and I wouldn't really reccomend them. If your gonna go with a TM/NBT go with say 06/07 TM and get them for the same price as you would 07/08 invaders.
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Werd... Go for 06/07 TM and get 'em for the price of 08 invaders.
I got TM's, good skis. Stiff enough to ski anywhere on the mountain.
as for the Nohing But Troubles, as far as I understand its just the insert placed in a different place, making the flex different, probably closer to where the bindings are, making the blaades of the ski more poppy.
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Actually dynastar has been known to intentionally make their park skis of a lesser caliber (thinner edges, etc).. and then when warranties come in they won't honor them b/c of rail damage.. and then the kids buy another pair..(hopefully for them)
LINE on the other hand will just about warranty anything. In this case a bigger company has nothing to do with it. LINE's products are just more durable. (first year invaders being the exception.. and if you're still stuck on that...)
I'd say go with invaders (my 2 cents).
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The Nothing But Troubles are very cheaply made. The edges, base and sidewall are all very weak. If you ski hard you can easily blow an edge out or delam the skis with in two days. Mine have more epoxy, screws and basewelds than actual base.
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thats just anti big company bullshit, dynastar construction is so much more bomber then line construction. your NBT will never lose their flex or snap on you, yes there isan edge issue with dynastar skis but if you really detune your edges. (so that they are round) you will not have a problem with the edges.
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This is true, regardless I'd reccomend the TMs, but still TMs over the Invaders. I skied mine for most likely more than 50+ days (most of them at work), and was on them for about 5+hours each day, and the camber is still pretty strong. Obviously it was more poppier the day I got them, but they still have tons of life left in them.
I've also done a ton of rusty rails and the edges have held up great.
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I forgot to mention that you can get a pair of 175 tm's in really good condition mounted with px12 jibs for $280 from me.
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no base or edge damage. good bindings and good skis at a really good price.
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Dunno, he might have a point.
i'm sure i heard that some guy from dynastar said that they purposely built them weak so that people would buy again.
regardless, i probably won't buy dynastar products again. i'm more interested in supporting companies like moment... and k2, and 4frnt.
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i would say invaders cause i have not rode dynastar
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invaders would deff kill it in the park compared to the nothin but troubs in a performance way...but I dont know how the durability would match up between the 2
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bump...im liking the input...ive skied on nithwards and love there flex...im leaning tworads invaders but im not sure how well they will hold up and the warranty...
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lines warranty is really nice, you don't have to worry about being screwd over
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i think im leaning tworards the vaders...any people against?
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Yeah, he's probably right,
NBT's are probably more durable (slightly) but Line's will probably kill in the park
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