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Subject: ON3P received demand to change name of “Great Scott”
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Nov 1 2009
10:00:56
This post is meant to inform anyone who has to date
purchased a “Great Scott” ski from ON3P, or those who are considering a future purchase. In late October, ON3P received a cease and
desist order from SCOTT USA Ltd., and its affiliates SCOTT Sports SA and SCOTT
USA Inc., demanding ON3P immediately cease commercialization and sales of all “Great
Scott” branded skis for reasons of
trademark infringement.
We are current exploring the legality of the use of “Scott”
in the name of our ski “Great Scott” and should reach a decision in the near
future.
Once we have reached a decision, I will post an update on
the matter.
Scott Andrus
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Nov 2 2009
2:35:48
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freelowda from Nov 2 2009 2:30:40:
Obviously these type of business practices DO NOT belong in skiing, (and hopefully this gets cleared up quickly) I just wanted to say that before everyone gets hyper-reactive and tears this guy and Scott apart.
unfortunately its too late.
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Nov 2 2009
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camsessions from Nov 2 2009 1:25:39:
just more proof that wallisch is a sell out. good luck following dumonts steps.fuck scott there poles suck anyways. rentals ftw.
This lawsuit literally has nothing to do with Tom.
nobody from ON3P feels good about even the IDEA of this hurting Tom in any way. This is 100 percent between them and Scott the company, not the riders.
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Nov 2 2009
2:41:54
It doesn't matter whether it's legit or not legit it will never get decided on the merits; either Scott will retract its demands or On3p will concede to them. There is no way this ever goes to court. On3p can't afford it. 97% of cases are settled, and this will certainly be one of them.
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Nov 2 2009
2:42:05
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TWoods from Nov 2 2009 2:40:35:
This lawsuit literally has nothing to do with Tom.nobody from ON3P feels good about even the IDEA of this hurting Tom in any way. This is 100 percent between them and Scott the company, not the riders.
This should be repeated. No reason this should involve him at all.
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Nov 2 2009
2:43:54
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iggyskier
from Nov 2 2009 2:42:05:
This should be repeated. No reason this should involve him at all.
Thank You!
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Commonwealth from Nov 1 2009 10:18:25:
Poor form Scott. Just when you were about to increase sales tenfold by signing Wallisch, you have to go and do this..
And for most of you saying that it's ridiculous, this is probably the least ridiculous of the copyright infringement lawsuits of recent (WME and Hansen) because Scott is in the ski making business with ON3P and ON3P will be making a profit on the skis.
I'm definitely no lawyer, but I'd say that this, unfortunately, could be a valid lawsuit.
I think it does suck, it is unfortunate, but I asked my business teacher about lawsuits when the WME one first came up, he explained that with trade mark names if the company doesn't have people looking at all times for people missusing the names or w/e that they will loose the rights of their trade mark.
an example that he gave, a kid he knew named Mike row had started a little company that had something to do with a computer program he was making for schools. He was calling it Mike Row Softwear. Because it sounded so similar microsoft sued him to change the name. The company only did it to hold their trademarks and they actually settled outside of court with the kid changing the name of his product and microsoft paid for his university studies, so it actually ended up really cool for the kid.
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Nov 2 2009
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purplejumpsuit from Nov 2 2009 2:59:57:
I think it does suck, it is unfortunate, but I asked my business teacher about lawsuits when the WME one first came up, he explained that with trade mark names if the company doesn't have people looking at all times for people missusing the names or w/e that they will loose the rights of their trade mark.
an example that he gave, a kid he knew named Mike row had started a little company that had something to do with a computer program he was making for schools. He was calling it Mike Row Softwear. Because it sounded so similar microsoft sued him to change the name. The company only did it to hold their trademarks and they actually settled outside of court with the kid changing the name of his product and microsoft paid for his university studies, so it actually ended up really cool for the kid.
Thats a cool story. As much as i hate microsoft. that seems really cool for the kid.
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Nov 2 2009
3:06:31
stob being a noob and think like a nerd!
rebrand them the "Gr8 5c0tt"
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Nov 2 2009
3:07:27
^Hahaha someone suggested they be re-named the "Cease and Desist" which is actually kind of a cool name for a ski.
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Nov 2 2009
3:09:11
Great Andrus
JUST DOESN'T SOUND THE SAME
HELL'S KITCHEN
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Nov 2 2009
3:09:43
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J.D.$ from Nov 2 2009 3:07:27:
^Hahaha someone suggested they be re-named the "Cease and Desist" which is actually kind of a cool name for a ski.
That would be pretty sick for a ski name.
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Nov 2 2009
3:09:52
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Marshall. from Nov 1 2009 10:29:43:
Well there goes Scotts chance of selling me anything.
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Nov 2 2009
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J.D.$ from Nov 2 2009 3:07:27:
^Hahaha someone suggested they be re-named the "Cease and Desist" which is actually kind of a cool name for a ski.
That is a really sick name for a ski.
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Nov 2 2009
3:14:44
Should be, should also be a news article on the font page. Anytime a company pulls shit kind of shit they should get a front page article.
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Nov 2 2009
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I think with everything going on in the industry lately the name "Cease and Desist" would be a great re-branding for the ski. It would be kind of like an inside joke and would give ON3P stronger ties to the core skier community. We would all take it lightheartedly and it would reinforce the fact that ON3P is a core company, who would rather concentrate on the skis and the skiers then the corporate BS.
I say it it has to be renamed then Cease and Desist is the name!
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Nov 2 2009
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aoe$ from Nov 2 2009 3:36:58:
I think with everything going on in the industry lately the name "Cease and Desist" would be a great re-branding for the ski. It would be kind of like an inside joke and would give ON3P stronger ties to the core skier community. We would all take it lightheartedly and it would reinforce the fact that ON3P is a core company, who would rather concentrate on the skis and the skiers then the corporate BS.
I say it it has to be renamed then Cease and Desist is the name!
I like it, just so this goes away i say you change it to that.
Would be well played against Scott USA.
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Nov 2 2009
3:42:08
Hello, i think I'll have a bowl of "what the fuck" soup with a side of "get these fucking lawyers out of the ski industry" crackers, and for a drink I think ill have some "this is really fucking gaytorade"
("gaytorade is not meant to be degrading in anyway")
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Nov 2 2009
3:44:09
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Chronic_$$ from Nov 2 2009 3:42:08:
Hello, i think I'll have a bowl of "what the fuck" soup with a side of "get these fucking lawyers out of the ski industry" crackers, and for a drink I think ill have some "this is really fucking gaytorade"
("gaytorade is not meant to be degrading in anyway")
Haha i like how he has "gaytorade isnot meant to be degrading in anyway" he's gotta make sure he doesn't get sued for no apparent reason.
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Nov 2 2009
3:44:12
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pretzels from Nov 2 2009 1:33:11:
Given that you already sold many "Great Scott" skis and used that ski in your Freeskier ad, that is a huge pain in the ass for you guys. Good luck in the process and definitely keep NS posted as to what happens and what you decide to do.
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Nov 2 2009
3:44:42
As ridiculous as this lawsuit is, I don't really think that Scott's ski market department probably even knew about it, otherwise they pry wouldn't have sued... As shown by the the Scott rep or whatever who had his post deleted. Probably with Scott being so huge the legal department sued without even looking at ON3P's owners name. I'm guessing that the snow department is fucking pissed at the legal department right now at scott.
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Nov 2 2009
3:52:08
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Charles.823 from Nov 2 2009 3:44:42:
As ridiculous as this lawsuit is, I don't really think that Scott's ski market department probably even knew about it, otherwise they pry wouldn't have sued... As shown by the the Scott rep or whatever who had his post deleted. Probably with Scott being so huge the legal department sued without even looking at ON3P's owners name. I'm guessing that the snow department is fucking pissed at the legal department right now at scott.
You may be right. And that's one of the big disadvantages when a company gets too big. Often the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. Smaller companies are usually way more maneuverable in the market and more in touch with what customers want. I haven't seen a better example of this then in the ski industry. That being said, is Scott really that big that they can't keep straight what department is doing what? I don't know, it's a question....
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Nov 2 2009
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freelowda from Nov 2 2009 2:30:40:
Don't shoot the messenger here- In defense of Missile (Kevin Kruse, Scott USA marketing manager) Scott as a company invests a lot into our sport from the bottom up and has for a long time, and while this is a bizarre move with the C&D against ON3P, I can personally vouch for Kruse being a very good guy within the industry and he means well. Even having him in here defending his brand says something- you don't see that with many other "corporations" involved in this type of matter. Obviously these type of business practices DO NOT belong in skiing, (and hopefully this gets cleared up quickly) I just wanted to say that before everyone gets hyper-reactive and tears this guy and Scott apart.
I know you're trying to defend him as a person, but his comment was straight up ridiculous. He said that what Scott was claiming "was BS"
You can't justify his actions when he comes in here and says something as stupid as that...and then looks like a fool because he realized that he didn't get all the facts.
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Nov 2 2009
3:59:52
Moral of the story here is. DON"T FUCK WITH NS!
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Nov 2 2009
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WHY CANT WE BE FRIENDS? WHY CANT WE BE FRIENDS
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Nov 2 2009
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shintastic48 from Nov 2 2009 3:59:52:
Moral of the story here is. DON"T FUCK WITH NS!
Not quite but maybe companies will start listening to us more. We have a huge say in our market segment but not the market in general.
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Nov 2 2009
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Marshall. from Nov 2 2009 4:01:50:
Not quite but maybe companies will start listening to us more. We have a huge say in our market segment but not the market in general.
Still. When we get pissed off. Shit Goes Down.
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Nov 2 2009
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they put arguments in perspective, not make dumb ones rightit's a perfectly valid argument not to piss of scott usa with random hate because that will only fuel the firei have nothing against your post, you did not do what i said, it related to ns'ers in general because we've had a rocky past with matters of ns spamming other companies/websites
definitely. I wanted my e-mail to come across so that they actually read it and take it into consideration, not just to piss them off.
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Nov 2 2009
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analogies are supposed to make complicated things seem more simple so idiots like you can understand them.
ever heard of things being over-simplified? there's no reason to create analogies when the facts can easily be understood by everyone, unless they're immature enough to have their full response to an issue be "haha you idiot" without anything to back it up.
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Nov 2 2009
4:41:13
Ski companies should not sue other ski companies. This is crap. I won't be buying anything from Scott again. Oakley / Joystick are better anyway.
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ever heard of things being over-simplified? there's no reason to create analogies when the facts can easily be understood by everyone, unless they're immature enough to have their full response to an issue be "haha you idiot" without anything to back it up.
C'mon fellas could you at least duke it out in PMs or something rather than cunting it up in here.............................for fucks sake.
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Nov 2 2009
4:52:57
when is scott going to grow some balls and actually step up with a real reply to this. pussies
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Nov 2 2009
4:57:33
i wanna read what the scott rep said..can someone sum up the deleted post for me?
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Nov 2 2009
5:02:32
Just a side story to all this - the ski is named after Scott Andrus but there is also a Great Scott Bowl at Alpental which I think was another motivator for the name.
Haya: http://www.alpental.com/greatscott.htm
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Nov 2 2009
5:08:39
haha, AND your name is scott
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Nov 2 2009
5:10:48
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C'mon fellas could you at least duke it out in PMs or something rather than cunting it up in here.............................for fucks sake.
i'm with you on this, minus duking it out in PMs because there's nothing to argue about
in related news, Scott hasn't responded to my e-mail, nor do I expect that they will respond to any e-mails on the issue
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Nov 2 2009
5:15:14
this isn't trademark infringement. its a name. if it was being used solely as scott then they might have a valid issue. this stuff is getting ridiculous lately. its just a bigger company with more money and power doing exacty what J.D. said. bitch move scott. bitch move.
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Nov 2 2009
5:17:35
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Nov 2 2009
5:17:36
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Skillz from Nov 2 2009 5:02:32:
Just a side story to all this - the ski is named after Scott Andrus but there is also a Great Scott Bowl at Alpental which I think was another motivator for the name.
Haya:
http://www.alpental.com/greatscott.htm
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pretzels from Nov 2 2009 1:33:11:
That's legit then....if he didn't know he didn't know. People make mistakes.
Anyway that sucks about the cease and desist order for ON3P. I know the "GREAT SCOTT" is referencing an owner of ON3P and in no way related to SCOTT SKIS, but If I am not mistaken, SCOTT USA was named after Ed Scott, an engineer/ skier from Sun Valley, ID in the 50s that started making ski poles. Since Ed Scott affixed his name to poles, skis, goggles, outwear and many things ski related since the 50s, Scott USA he may have a legitimate trademark claim. By affixing his name to the product, Ed Scott did the same thing Scott Andrus did to ON3P's "Great Scott" ski. It sounds like a legit claim.
Given that you already sold many "Great Scott" skis and used that ski in your Freeskier ad, that is a huge pain in the ass for you guys. Good luck in the process and definitely keep NS posted as to what happens and what you decide to do.
Ugh don't make me point out your logic flaws. Please. Just reread what you wrote, and think about how Scott is a company name, and the great scott is the name of a singular product.
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Nov 2 2009
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titsLOL from Nov 2 2009 3:06:31:
stob being a noob and think like a nerd!
rebrand them the "Gr8 5c0tt"
ive always wanted a ski with 1337 H4X. cause you know... if only i were a video game character i'd never fall. never. and ... and with 1337 H4X i could totally cheat at skiing. like, faceshots every time ya know? yeah.
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Nov 2 2009
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That's it!!!! I'm scratchin' off the scott logo from my stolen rental poles, lol jk im too lazy to do that. I like the P3 countersuit idea though, send them their own cease and desist letter, just reworded. The Scott brand is always getting plugged in Bonnier media too. Fuck em' all.
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Nov 2 2009
5:41:00
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willmiller from Nov 1 2009 11:13:59:
Don't do this bro. Every company fucks up, but don't boycott them for it. In the long run this just ends up hurting their riders A.K.A. Tom Wallisch
Tom's got enough skill that someone is bound to sign him when Scott USA has no need to keep a newschool skier because they are no longer in that market...Hopefully that's ASAP at this point, fuck them.
Armada poles are in the mail after a last minute mind change, thanks for the heads up Kim.
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Nov 2 2009
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debrickshaw from Nov 2 2009 4:57:33:
i wanna read what the scott rep said..can someone sum up the deleted post for me?
He said that what iggy was saying "was BS" and that there was no such thing as a company called Scott USA Ltd., but that the real company is called Scott USA Inc. or something like that.
Basically, he said that either iggy was making it up or it was a prank. He said that he is in the HR department at Scott and none of them heard of anything. Apparently, he didn't check too hard.
scott and WME are friends now... what?!?!
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Nov 2 2009
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Static from Nov 2 2009 5:36:46:
The Scott brand is always getting plugged in Bonnier media too. Fuck em' all.
Hahahahaha it's a Scott - WME conspiracy to sue everyone! Does Gene Simmons have anything to do with all of this?
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Nov 2 2009
5:52:20
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J.D.$ from Nov 2 2009 5:51:00:
Hahahahaha it's a Scott - WME conspiracy to sue everyone! Does Gene Simmons have anything to do with all of this?
He probably has a copyright or two in there knowing that guy.
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Nov 2 2009
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Nov 2 2009
6:06:39
fuck that and Scott I'm setting fire to my pair later tonight
oh, thats rather a spot of bother!
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