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ON3P received demand to change name of “Great Scott”

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iggyskier
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This post is meant to inform anyone who has to date purchased a “Great Scott” ski from ON3P, or those who are considering a future purchase.  In late October, ON3P received a cease and desist order from SCOTT USA Ltd., and its affiliates SCOTT Sports SA and SCOTT USA Inc., demanding ON3P immediately cease commercialization and sales of all “Great Scott” branded skis for reasons of  trademark infringement. 

We are current exploring the legality of the use of “Scott” in the name of our ski “Great Scott” and should reach a decision in the near future.

Once we have reached a decision, I will post an update on the matter.

Scott Andrus

Nov 1 2009 10:00PM
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Peter.
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this can't be serious.
Nov 2 2009 10:38AM
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Pwn.Mode
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hahaha

corporate BS sick!

I think that Universal pictures should sue too! that's a line straight from the docs mouth in back to the future. oohhhh snap.
Nov 2 2009 10:52AM
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shintastic48
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Ok so i was reading this entire thing and was beginning to understand this. then apparently someone from scott usa comes on here and confuses the fuck out of me. SO this being said. whats the real story? I want to here directly from ON3P and Scott USA.
Nov 2 2009 11:00AM
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iggyskier
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ON3P is totally serious and if need be can provide the documentation to prove it.  But hopefully it won't come to that. 


Nov 2 2009 11:05AM
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willmiller
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Is Scott serious about a lawsuit?
Nov 2 2009 11:12AM
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Peach.
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This is terrible but...

Have you validated the source you recieved the demand from.

Nov 2 2009 11:23AM
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J.D.
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Wow, you've got some balls, buddy. Unbelievable. Yeah, I'm so sure they just made this up for no reason.

Hey Iggy, how about you scan whatever letter they sent you and we post it on the front page, right before that Wallisch article?

Emails:
wintersport@scottusa.com
scott@scottusa.com

Nov 2 2009 11:34AM
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willmiller
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Haha not a bad idea
Nov 2 2009 11:42AM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Agreed
Nov 2 2009 11:48AM
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jksl
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scott's the wackest company anyways. so damn classic goomba skier company.
keep on rippin on3p, you guys are killing it. i really hope this doesn't affect your production at all.
Nov 2 2009 11:49AM
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willmiller
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If anything this might boost sales. Before this a lot of people probably hadn't heard of them.
Nov 2 2009 11:50AM
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J.D.
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^Further proof for everyone that this guy is alive and well.

This has been a pretty fucked up couple of days in ski gabber.
Nov 2 2009 11:50AM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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just rename the skis the corporate bullshits ha, i think thatd be funny.
Nov 2 2009 11:51AM
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willmiller
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haha nice

Nov 2 2009 11:52AM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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except that might not work because if the name corporate was in it than theyd have to be shitty skis, and seeing as its ON3P they cant be shitty skis
Nov 2 2009 11:55AM
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kthnxbai.
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I was thinking about getting a pair of Goggles from Scott this season, but fuck that (yea butt fuck).  Good luck ON3P hope they drop all this non-sense.
Nov 2 2009 12:01PM
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Newschool_Pope
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im not a lawyer, but can they copyright ur name?
it seems pathetic. why cant you even name your skis after yourself?
scott should have learned from wme. now everybody is going to boycott scott.
go ON3P
Nov 2 2009 12:01PM
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InitialG
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Do it.

Shit sucks, hopefully its not the whole company and maybe the legal department is just getting pissy or something. Don't fuck with on3p though, there is just no good reason.
Nov 2 2009 12:03PM
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J.D.
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^Exactly... it's not like anyone's actually going to confuse the two ski makers. I mean the only way you can even buy the Great Scott is on the On3p website, so... are they thinking people are going to suddenly get amnesia when they log on to the site and forget what ski company's website they're on? It's just so pointless.
Nov 2 2009 12:14PM
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JeremyClarkson
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yes but thats not what its about.  its about the big corporate companies keeping the little guys under their thumb. fuck you scott usa
Nov 2 2009 12:35PM
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nickyp
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Yeah, money corrupts.
Nov 2 2009 12:36PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Have you read the rest of his posts?
Nov 2 2009 12:36PM
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pretzels
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Since you work for SCOTT as the snowsports marketing manager, I don't think you would make something like this up.

what if someone was pranking ON3P ?
Nov 2 2009 12:37PM
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J.D.
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It isn't a prank.
Nov 2 2009 12:42PM
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Upgrayedd
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Why would HR have any idea if Legal had sent a cease and desist letter?

Douches
Nov 2 2009 12:57PM
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iggyskier
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 Who removed that post??
Nov 2 2009 1:18PM
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Cincher
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^Yeah what happened?
Nov 2 2009 1:19PM
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SkierX
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Not I.

Wonder if someone was back peddling and requested it be deleted?
Nov 2 2009 1:19PM
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J.D.
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It was removed at the request of the guy who posted it (from Scott) who apparently legitimately had no idea what was going on, he doesn't have anything to do with their legal dept.
Nov 2 2009 1:21PM
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shintastic48
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He probably realized he was wrong and got schmuck or mac to delete it for him.
Nov 2 2009 1:21PM
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Cincher
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ohh....
Nov 2 2009 1:22PM
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chickenwang
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just more proof that wallisch is a sell out. good luck following dumonts steps.

fuck scott there poles suck anyways. rentals ftw.
Nov 2 2009 1:25PM
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shintastic48
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Joystick poles ftw
Nov 2 2009 1:26PM
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East.
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just spell scott differently..
Nov 2 2009 1:31PM
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Balto
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why? its iggy's name, he shouldnt have to
Nov 2 2009 1:32PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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Get all guerrilla marketing on em and make em pay.

ON3P Cash For Clunkers:

Trade in a pair of SCOTT sticks and get 50 bones off a new pair of on3p's.
Nov 2 2009 1:32PM
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pretzels
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That's legit then....if he didn't know he didn't know. People make mistakes.

Anyway that sucks about the cease and desist order for ON3P. I know the "GREAT SCOTT" is referencing an owner of ON3P and in no way related to SCOTT SKIS, but If I am not mistaken, SCOTT USA was named after Ed Scott, an engineer/ skier from Sun Valley, ID in the 50s that started making ski poles. Since Ed Scott affixed his name to poles, skis, goggles, outwear and many things ski related since the 50s, Scott USA he may have a legitimate trademark claim. By affixing his name to the product, Ed Scott did the same thing Scott Andrus did to ON3P's "Great Scott" ski. It sounds like a legit claim. 

Given that you already sold many "Great Scott" skis and used that ski in your Freeskier ad, that is a huge pain in the ass for you guys. Good luck in the process and definitely keep NS posted as to what happens and what you decide to do.
Nov 2 2009 1:33PM
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J.D.
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Hahahaha I definitely think On3p would get sued for THAT.
Nov 2 2009 1:40PM
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no_steeze
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they put arguments in perspective, not make dumb ones right

it's a perfectly valid argument not to piss of scott usa with random hate because that will only fuel the fire

i have nothing against your post, you did not do what i said, it related to ns'ers in general because we've had a rocky past with matters of ns spamming other companies/websites
Nov 2 2009 1:43PM
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rYb
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its all about electric and oakley anyways
Nov 2 2009 2:00PM
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Calb3rt
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well said
Nov 2 2009 2:09PM
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kepler.
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Wow, this sounds like WME all over again. I can't believe they are suing you. Probably because they are pissed they didn't think of the great name for themselves first. I'll proudly be dissing all Scott products at the ski shop I work at this season.
Nov 2 2009 2:14PM
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freelowda
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Don't shoot the messenger here- In defense of Missile (Kevin Kruse, Scott USA marketing manager) Scott as a company invests a lot into our sport from the bottom up and has for a long time, and while this is a bizarre move with the C&D against ON3P, I can personally vouch for Kruse being a very good guy within the industry and he means well. Even having him in here defending his brand says something- you don't see that with many other "corporations" involved in this type of matter. Obviously these type of business practices DO NOT belong in skiing, (and hopefully this gets cleared up quickly) I just wanted to say that before everyone gets hyper-reactive and tears this guy and Scott apart.
Nov 2 2009 2:30PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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It has NOTHING to do with Wallisch.
Nov 2 2009 2:32PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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It doesn't sound like a legit claim at all.
Nov 2 2009 2:35PM
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Tinga
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unfortunately its too late. 
Nov 2 2009 2:35PM
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TWoods
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This lawsuit literally has nothing to do with Tom.

nobody from ON3P feels good about even the IDEA of this hurting Tom in any way. This is 100 percent between them and Scott the company, not the riders.
Nov 2 2009 2:40PM
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J.D.
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It doesn't matter whether it's legit or not legit it will never get decided on the merits; either Scott will retract its demands or On3p will concede to them. There is no way this ever goes to court. On3p can't afford it. 97% of cases are settled, and this will certainly be one of them.
Nov 2 2009 2:41PM
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iggyskier
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This should be repeated.  No reason this should involve him at all.
Nov 2 2009 2:42PM
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willmiller
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Thank You!
Nov 2 2009 2:43PM
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