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I can see how someone might be thrown off if a shop sold the "Great Scott" and "Scott" skis. And thats somewhat a valid concern.
I mean if you made a ski called Great Armada......you might draw a conclusion its even....greater then Armada...right? Just put yourself in a gapers shoes and what he / she might think.
You don't know the product you are buying enough to differentiate them? I mean who sells ON3P skis that also sells Scotts: NOBODY!! It's a completely different market, completely different product, and Scott is the name of a person (the owner of ON3P nonetheless). Shit's whack, no rational thought behind it.
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Subject: ON3P received demand to change name of “Great Scott”
This post is meant to inform anyone who has to date purchased a “Great Scott” ski from ON3P, or those who are considering a future purchase. In late October, ON3P received a cease and desist order from SCOTT USA Ltd., and its affiliates SCOTT Sports SA and SCOTT USA Inc., demanding ON3P immediately cease commercialization and sales of all “Great Scott” branded skis for reasons of trademark infringement.
We are current exploring the legality of the use of “Scott” in the name of our ski “Great Scott” and should reach a decision in the near future.
Once we have reached a decision, I will post an update on the matter.
Scott Andrus
Quoting factory81 from Nov 1 2009 10:50:44:
Rename it "Great Shot"
No, don't rename it. Scott should just pull their heads out of their asses.
Rename it "Great Shot"
this is bullshit.
i can see why this is happening though. as skiing is becoming more popular and new companies are forming, there is more competition for business.
regardless, the only scott item i have ever owned was a pair of mtx goggles and now i plan not to ever use their products again.
i can see why this is happening though. as skiing is becoming more popular and new companies are forming, there is more competition for business.
regardless, the only scott item i have ever owned was a pair of mtx goggles and now i plan not to ever use their products again.
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Dear Scott USA,
It is to my understanding that you are demanding ON3P skis to change the name of their one ski, "Great Scott" because it has the name Scott in it. That ski is not meant to have any relation to Scott USA, it is in fact named after the founder of ON3P, Scott Andrus. It is ridiculous that you are doing this right after gaining all this new respect for signing Tom Wallisch. Until Scott USA drops this case leaving ON3P alone I will purchase or support nothing having to do with Scott. I really hope you take this Email seriously and put it into consideration. Thanks.
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Quoting Commonwealth from Nov 1 2009 10:18:25:
Poor form Scott. Just when you were about to increase sales tenfold by signing Wallisch, you have to go and do this..
And for most of you saying that it's ridiculous, this is probably the least ridiculous of the copyright infringement lawsuits of recent (WME and Hansen) because Scott is in the ski making business with ON3P and ON3P will be making a profit on the skis.
I'm definitely no lawyer, but I'd say that this, unfortunately, could be a valid lawsuit.
Said Correctly, this is just a bad move and thus bad business. They should know better, like even if there was valid reason how much would it affect sales...really? Poor form Scott. Just when you were about to increase sales tenfold by signing Wallisch, you have to go and do this..
And for most of you saying that it's ridiculous, this is probably the least ridiculous of the copyright infringement lawsuits of recent (WME and Hansen) because Scott is in the ski making business with ON3P and ON3P will be making a profit on the skis.
I'm definitely no lawyer, but I'd say that this, unfortunately, could be a valid lawsuit.
I have to say, those lawyers are screwing the companies they work for with these lawsuits against smaller companies
Are there any orange names on NS that are affiliated with Scott, cause if there is we should bombard his inbox with pms (just kidding). But in all seriousness I think its probably an issue that is way up there with the execs in Scott so no one on here could do anything about it.
Goddamnt i was gonna change my username to scott but i dont want to get sued, fucken scott.
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Seriously though, what is it with the ski industry and bullshit lawsuits this year?
Quoting AlexK.$ from Nov 1 2009 10:52:50:
the only scott item i have ever owned was a pair of mtx goggles and now i plan not to ever use their products again.
shit i have scott poles. the only scott item i have ever owned was a pair of mtx goggles and now i plan not to ever use their products again.
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In fact, going further, you can't even register a personal name as a trademark under normal circumstances for precisely this reason: the legal system doesn't want people to be able to go around suing other people for operating under their own name, which is exactly what Scott is doing here. Honestly they could not have less of a case here and I say that based on my own legal knowledge. Of course that doesn't matter because iggyskier has just enough to scrape by and feed himself while making you guys your skis, and can't afford to defend this action, so of course the big company will once again get its way.
What a fucking piss off.
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I can see how someone might be thrown off if a shop sold the "Great Scott" and "Scott" skis. And thats somewhat a valid concern.
I mean if you made a ski called Great Armada......you might draw a conclusion its even....greater then Armada...right? Just put yourself in a gapers shoes and what he / she might think.
Quoting willmiller from Nov 1 2009 10:55:39:
Seriously though, what is it with the ski industry and bullshit lawsuits this year?
I don't know but you'd think they would have fucking LEARNED something after what happened with WME.Seriously though, what is it with the ski industry and bullshit lawsuits this year?
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Quoting factory81 from Nov 1 2009 10:57:45:
I can see how someone might be thrown off if a shop sold the "Great Scott" and "Scott" skis. And thats somewhat a valid concern.
I mean if you made a ski called Great Armada......you might draw a conclusion its even....greater then Armada...right? Just put yourself in a gapers shoes and what he / she might think.
No, this is not the same, because Armada is not anyone's personal name.I can see how someone might be thrown off if a shop sold the "Great Scott" and "Scott" skis. And thats somewhat a valid concern.
I mean if you made a ski called Great Armada......you might draw a conclusion its even....greater then Armada...right? Just put yourself in a gapers shoes and what he / she might think.
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Quoting J.D.$ from Nov 1 2009 10:52:13:
Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. This is by FAR the most ridiculous. Not even close. It is FUNDAMENTAL trademark law that you can use your own proper name as a mark and Scott USA's lawyers know that. They are doing this for the SOLE PURPOSE of using their money advantage as a large multinational company to apply pressure to a smaller competitor. I don't work for on3p but I support what iggyskier is doing and NO ONE should support a company that wants to fuck with the little guy like this. This is every bit as bad as WME vs. Level 1, we are in a tight knit industry and throwing around lawsuits is not above board. I will be sending a letter to Scott USA and I encourage all of you to do likewise, just as you did with WME.
wow, you would think they would learn from WME. its funny that they would do this now and undoubtedly loose a large portion of the freeskiing market that they would have otherwise gained by signing wallisch. Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. This is by FAR the most ridiculous. Not even close. It is FUNDAMENTAL trademark law that you can use your own proper name as a mark and Scott USA's lawyers know that. They are doing this for the SOLE PURPOSE of using their money advantage as a large multinational company to apply pressure to a smaller competitor. I don't work for on3p but I support what iggyskier is doing and NO ONE should support a company that wants to fuck with the little guy like this. This is every bit as bad as WME vs. Level 1, we are in a tight knit industry and throwing around lawsuits is not above board. I will be sending a letter to Scott USA and I encourage all of you to do likewise, just as you did with WME.
Quoting J.D.$ from Nov 1 2009 10:57:52:
I don't know but you'd think they would have fucking LEARNED something after what happened with WME.
Exactly, and like last year with Kiss and the whole Faction thing. Copyright laws piss me off SO much! They're just a cheap-ass way for large corporations and celebrities to make EVEN MORE money!
I don't know but you'd think they would have fucking LEARNED something after what happened with WME.
Well obviously Tom Wallisch has nothing to do with the operational decisions made by the company, he's just a member of the team, so it has almost nothing to do with him, aside from being an interesting situation given that he was closely involved with L1P as well.
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If Scott has an orange name on this site they better get the fuck in here and explain anything they can.
Stuff like this plays a huge part in which companies I buy from and which ones I don't. I'm seeing a trend: the big corporate multinationals get greedy and try to fuck over the underground / grassroots / independent / start-ups. Aka the real progressive companies that are COMPLETELY ORIGINAL (and they always get sued for "not being original (different) enough". It's just a bunch of Bullshit, companies don't realize how much credibility they are losing with people who actually realize what's going on.
Stuff like this plays a huge part in which companies I buy from and which ones I don't. I'm seeing a trend: the big corporate multinationals get greedy and try to fuck over the underground / grassroots / independent / start-ups. Aka the real progressive companies that are COMPLETELY ORIGINAL (and they always get sued for "not being original (different) enough". It's just a bunch of Bullshit, companies don't realize how much credibility they are losing with people who actually realize what's going on.
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Quoting J.D.$ from Nov 1 2009 11:00:44:
Well obviously Tom Wallisch has nothing to do with the operational decisions made by the company, he's just a member of the team, so it has almost nothing to do with him, aside from being an interesting situation given that he was closely involved with L1P as well.
word, i was just commenting on how signing wallisch would've increased scott's sales alot in the newschoolers demographic, but after this move scott's sales probably will be worse in the ns crowdWell obviously Tom Wallisch has nothing to do with the operational decisions made by the company, he's just a member of the team, so it has almost nothing to do with him, aside from being an interesting situation given that he was closely involved with L1P as well.
^I should god damn well hope they'll be worse in the NS crowd; the community cannot support companies that act this way, it is harmful to the sport, no matter how unbelievably sick their riders are.
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from Nov 1 2009 10:29:57:
scott towels? they should sue them too.
lol good shit from Nov 1 2009 10:29:57:scott towels? they should sue them too.
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just change the skis name to "Sue Me Nows" or something.
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Quoting B-Rent from Nov 1 2009 10:55:34:
I think its probably an issue that is way up there with the execs in Scott
Who are probably as equally clueless as the WME exes that brought suit against Level 1 - Couple well written emails should be able to end this.I think its probably an issue that is way up there with the execs in Scott
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Quoting J.D.$ from Nov 1 2009 10:52:13:
Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. This is by FAR the most ridiculous. Not even close. It is FUNDAMENTAL trademark law that you can use your own proper name as a mark and Scott USA's lawyers know that. They are doing this for the SOLE PURPOSE of using their money advantage as a large multinational company to apply pressure to a smaller competitor. I don't work for on3p but I support what iggyskier is doing and NO ONE should support a company that wants to fuck with the little guy like this. This is every bit as bad as WME vs. Level 1, we are in a tight knit industry and throwing around lawsuits is not above board. I will be sending a letter to Scott USA and I encourage all of you to do likewise, just as you did with WME.
Amen to all. End thread. (But keep bumping it!)
Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. This is by FAR the most ridiculous. Not even close. It is FUNDAMENTAL trademark law that you can use your own proper name as a mark and Scott USA's lawyers know that. They are doing this for the SOLE PURPOSE of using their money advantage as a large multinational company to apply pressure to a smaller competitor. I don't work for on3p but I support what iggyskier is doing and NO ONE should support a company that wants to fuck with the little guy like this. This is every bit as bad as WME vs. Level 1, we are in a tight knit industry and throwing around lawsuits is not above board. I will be sending a letter to Scott USA and I encourage all of you to do likewise, just as you did with WME.
Quoting factory81 from Nov 1 2009 10:57:45:
I can see how someone might be thrown off if a shop sold the "Great Scott" and "Scott" skis. And thats somewhat a valid concern.
I mean if you made a ski called Great Armada......you might draw a conclusion its even....greater then Armada...right? Just put yourself in a gapers shoes and what he / she might think.
Dude, for real?I can see how someone might be thrown off if a shop sold the "Great Scott" and "Scott" skis. And thats somewhat a valid concern.
I mean if you made a ski called Great Armada......you might draw a conclusion its even....greater then Armada...right? Just put yourself in a gapers shoes and what he / she might think.
You don't know the product you are buying enough to differentiate them? I mean who sells ON3P skis that also sells Scotts: NOBODY!! It's a completely different market, completely different product, and Scott is the name of a person (the owner of ON3P nonetheless). Shit's whack, no rational thought behind it.
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Quoting AlexK.$ from Nov 1 2009 10:52:50:
this is bullshit.
i can see why this is happening though. as skiing is becoming more popular and new companies are forming, there is more competition for business.
regardless, the only scott item i have ever owned was a pair of mtx goggles and now i plan not to ever use their products again.
Don't do this bro. Every company fucks up, but don't boycott them for it. In the long run this just ends up hurting their riders A.K.A. Tom Wallisch
this is bullshit.
i can see why this is happening though. as skiing is becoming more popular and new companies are forming, there is more competition for business.
regardless, the only scott item i have ever owned was a pair of mtx goggles and now i plan not to ever use their products again.
wow serious lameness in the ski industry lately. The whole Level 1 and WME thing and now THIS?!?!?!?! wow
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Quoting J.D.$ from Nov 1 2009 10:52:13:
Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. This is by FAR the most ridiculous. Not even close. It is FUNDAMENTAL trademark law that you can use your own proper name as a mark and Scott USA's lawyers know that. They are doing this for the SOLE PURPOSE of using their money advantage as a large multinational company to apply pressure to a smaller competitor. I don't work for on3p but I support what iggyskier is doing and NO ONE should support a company that wants to fuck with the little guy like this. This is every bit as bad as WME vs. Level 1, we are in a tight knit industry and throwing around lawsuits is not above board. I will be sending a letter to Scott USA and I encourage all of you to do likewise, just as you did with WME.
Pretty much sums it up right there Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. This is by FAR the most ridiculous. Not even close. It is FUNDAMENTAL trademark law that you can use your own proper name as a mark and Scott USA's lawyers know that. They are doing this for the SOLE PURPOSE of using their money advantage as a large multinational company to apply pressure to a smaller competitor. I don't work for on3p but I support what iggyskier is doing and NO ONE should support a company that wants to fuck with the little guy like this. This is every bit as bad as WME vs. Level 1, we are in a tight knit industry and throwing around lawsuits is not above board. I will be sending a letter to Scott USA and I encourage all of you to do likewise, just as you did with WME.
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you're making a big deal of that fact that he said "nigga"... He didn't say -er he said "nigga" in a non-demeaning way. it's pretty much the equivalent of saying "bro". -aredfield
it's almost insulting to their customers that SCOTT USA thinks their consumers are stupid enough to get these things confused.
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Copyright lawsuits piss me off so much!! They are just a way for big corporations and celebrities to make EVEN MORE money!
Quoting J.D.$ from Nov 1 2009 10:52:13:
Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. This is by FAR the most ridiculous. Not even close. It is FUNDAMENTAL trademark law that you can use your own proper name as a mark and Scott USA's lawyers know that. They are doing this for the SOLE PURPOSE of using their money advantage as a large multinational company to apply pressure to a smaller competitor. I don't work for on3p but I support what iggyskier is doing and NO ONE should support a company that wants to fuck with the little guy like this. This is every bit as bad as WME vs. Level 1, we are in a tight knit industry and throwing around lawsuits is not above board. I will be sending a letter to Scott USA and I encourage all of you to do likewise, just as you did with WME.
word, ifits named after himself than there is really nothing scott can do. It is really just an inflated version of childhood bullying. Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. This is by FAR the most ridiculous. Not even close. It is FUNDAMENTAL trademark law that you can use your own proper name as a mark and Scott USA's lawyers know that. They are doing this for the SOLE PURPOSE of using their money advantage as a large multinational company to apply pressure to a smaller competitor. I don't work for on3p but I support what iggyskier is doing and NO ONE should support a company that wants to fuck with the little guy like this. This is every bit as bad as WME vs. Level 1, we are in a tight knit industry and throwing around lawsuits is not above board. I will be sending a letter to Scott USA and I encourage all of you to do likewise, just as you did with WME.
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there skis are pieces are shit, even gapers dont like em
im bummed wallisch joined them
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Quoting debrickshaw from Nov 1 2009 11:20:30:
fuck scott usathere skis are pieces are shit, even gapers dont like emim bummed wallisch joined them
Haha f'sho
fuck scott usathere skis are pieces are shit, even gapers dont like emim bummed wallisch joined them
are they gonna sue Scott, the toilet paper company, too?
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how about ON3P sues Scott for the P3, I mean it has 3 in the name just like ON3P
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Quoting Thomson.$ from Nov 1 2009 11:24:06:
are they gonna sue Scott, the toilet paper company, too?
i hope not, they make toilet paper which is sensative to my birttle bum cheeks. are they gonna sue Scott, the toilet paper company, too?
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Quoting Tingas_Hats$ from Nov 1 2009 11:18:27:
it's almost insulting to their customers that SCOTT USA thinks their consumers are stupid enough to get these things confused.
Ya, for real, then again, by assuming their customers are even smart enough (at least about the ski industry) to know about ON3P, they are assuming too much haha. Most of their customers probably don't. I don't really think of Scott as a ski company, more like an "everything else company," do they even make pow skis??it's almost insulting to their customers that SCOTT USA thinks their consumers are stupid enough to get these things confused.
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Quoting tinkytwinky from Nov 1 2009 11:26:29:
i hope not, they make toilet paper which is sensative to my birttle bum cheeks.
Haha total WIN!! karma bro
i hope not, they make toilet paper which is sensative to my birttle bum cheeks.
how is scott named scott if the law prohibits trademarking a personal name?
and this is confusing me since iggyskier's name is Scott for those of you who didn't know
and this is confusing me since iggyskier's name is Scott for those of you who didn't know
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This is a bit ridiculous
just rename it "great warren miller" and be done with it
Don't worry, Tod Walrus will fix this
Quoting no_steeze from Nov 1 2009 11:32:57:
just rename it "great warren miller" and be done with it
That's pretty good but I was thinking he should call it the Gene Simmons Pro Model... no way that could go wrong, right? from Nov 1 2009 11:32:57:just rename it "great warren miller" and be done with it
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Mailing address:
PO Box 2030
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Emails?(I imagine the non wintersport one is a better email for legal, but I don't know. Send to both):
wintersport@scottusa.com
scott@scottusa.com
Mailing address:
PO Box 2030
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Emails?(I imagine the non wintersport one is a better email for legal, but I don't know. Send to both):
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Quoting J.D.$ from Nov 1 2009 11:35:47:
That's pretty good but I was thinking he should call it the Gene Simmons Pro Model... no way that could go wrong, right?
i assume it'll be fine, i mean nothing has happened in the past that would make me think otherwiseThat's pretty good but I was thinking he should call it the Gene Simmons Pro Model... no way that could go wrong, right?
kiss seems pretty chill about that
also guys make sure your messages of hate towards scott (company scott) are crafted in a way so that they merely raise the issue. i think it'd be better to hold off on them all together but just don't do anything that represents on3p in an immature and dumb way. that's the last thing scott (andrus) wants to deal with. it'll be a lot smoother and easier if you guys don't send dumb hate mail to scott usa and make them pissed off at on3p. despite the fact that scott usa can't actually do this, i think on3p should just change the name. there's not point spending money on lawyers and hearings and shit even if it goes nowhere, which it will
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Scott USA please... For a long time I haven't touched your product. Your skis on the rack at the store used to be a joke and just because you got some flash in your new marketing campaign stupid corporate moves like this cease and desist order won't win you any favor in our niche market. Unlike are uninformed parents generation when shopping for products news in our generation spreads like wildfire.
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As a consumer I feel it's important to be behind the products I use. In a market flooded with options you just made my decisions as a consumer a little easier. P.S. I was digging your goggles
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hopefully it doesn't suck
Hello,
I've been a supporter of the skis that SCOTT USA produces for many years and have always thought that you guys are one of the most under-recognized manufacturers in the ski industry. Because of this, I was very excited to hear that SCOTT had signed Tom Wallisch to its team. I saw this as an opportunity for SCOTT to gain the recognition it deserves.
However, just a few hours later, I was shocked to hear that SCOTT USA is suing ON3P Skis on the claim of copyright infringement due to their "Great Scott" model ski. I view this as absolute absurdity and can not justify supporting SCOTT anymore. I enjoy your skis but am not willing to funnel my money toward a company that will ultimately damage the ski industry and the smaller ski manufacturers within it. Furthermore, I can not understand how ON3P's naming of the "Great Scott" ski is damaging your brand. I am, however, hoping to hear back with your point of view on the matter.
Has nothing been learned from the Warren Miller Entertainment vs. Level 1 Productions lawsuit? Please reconsider you actions against ON3P skis.
Thanks,
Jon
hopefully it doesn't suck
Hello,
I've been a supporter of the skis that SCOTT USA produces for many years and have always thought that you guys are one of the most under-recognized manufacturers in the ski industry. Because of this, I was very excited to hear that SCOTT had signed Tom Wallisch to its team. I saw this as an opportunity for SCOTT to gain the recognition it deserves.
However, just a few hours later, I was shocked to hear that SCOTT USA is suing ON3P Skis on the claim of copyright infringement due to their "Great Scott" model ski. I view this as absolute absurdity and can not justify supporting SCOTT anymore. I enjoy your skis but am not willing to funnel my money toward a company that will ultimately damage the ski industry and the smaller ski manufacturers within it. Furthermore, I can not understand how ON3P's naming of the "Great Scott" ski is damaging your brand. I am, however, hoping to hear back with your point of view on the matter.
Has nothing been learned from the Warren Miller Entertainment vs. Level 1 Productions lawsuit? Please reconsider you actions against ON3P skis.
Thanks,
Jon
Quoting J.D.$ from Nov 1 2009 10:52:13:
Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. This is by FAR the most ridiculous. Not even close. It is FUNDAMENTAL trademark law that you can use your own proper name as a mark and Scott USA's lawyers know that. They are doing this for the SOLE PURPOSE of using their money advantage as a large multinational company to apply pressure to a smaller competitor. I don't work for on3p but I support what iggyskier is doing and NO ONE should support a company that wants to fuck with the little guy like this. This is every bit as bad as WME vs. Level 1, we are in a tight knit industry and throwing around lawsuits is not above board. I will be sending a letter to Scott USA and I encourage all of you to do likewise, just as you did with WME.
very well said and i fully agree. Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. This is by FAR the most ridiculous. Not even close. It is FUNDAMENTAL trademark law that you can use your own proper name as a mark and Scott USA's lawyers know that. They are doing this for the SOLE PURPOSE of using their money advantage as a large multinational company to apply pressure to a smaller competitor. I don't work for on3p but I support what iggyskier is doing and NO ONE should support a company that wants to fuck with the little guy like this. This is every bit as bad as WME vs. Level 1, we are in a tight knit industry and throwing around lawsuits is not above board. I will be sending a letter to Scott USA and I encourage all of you to do likewise, just as you did with WME.
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Quoting Jon63 from Nov 1 2009 11:47:08:
here's what I sent...
hopefully it doesn't suck
Hello,
I've been a supporter of the skis that SCOTT USA produces for many years and have always thought that you guys are one of the most under-recognized manufacturers in the ski industry. Because of this, I was very excited to hear that SCOTT had signed Tom Wallisch to its team. I saw this as an opportunity for SCOTT to gain the recognition it deserves.
However, just a few hours later, I was shocked to hear that SCOTT USA is suing ON3P Skis on the claim of copyright infringement due to their "Great Scott" model ski. I view this as absolute absurdity and can not justify supporting SCOTT anymore. I enjoy your skis but am not willing to funnel my money toward a company that will ultimately damage the ski industry and the smaller ski manufacturers within it. Furthermore, I can not understand how ON3P's naming of the "Great Scott" ski is damaging your brand. I am, however, hoping to hear back with your point of view on the matter.
Has nothing been learned from the Warren Miller Entertainment vs. Level 1 Productions lawsuit? Please reconsider you actions against ON3P skis.
Thanks,
Jon
It's gonna go to some clueless customer service person, they won't know who Level 1 or WME are. Best hope is that it gets passed on to somebody important. Who realizes our concern.here's what I sent...
hopefully it doesn't suck
Hello,
I've been a supporter of the skis that SCOTT USA produces for many years and have always thought that you guys are one of the most under-recognized manufacturers in the ski industry. Because of this, I was very excited to hear that SCOTT had signed Tom Wallisch to its team. I saw this as an opportunity for SCOTT to gain the recognition it deserves.
However, just a few hours later, I was shocked to hear that SCOTT USA is suing ON3P Skis on the claim of copyright infringement due to their "Great Scott" model ski. I view this as absolute absurdity and can not justify supporting SCOTT anymore. I enjoy your skis but am not willing to funnel my money toward a company that will ultimately damage the ski industry and the smaller ski manufacturers within it. Furthermore, I can not understand how ON3P's naming of the "Great Scott" ski is damaging your brand. I am, however, hoping to hear back with your point of view on the matter.
Has nothing been learned from the Warren Miller Entertainment vs. Level 1 Productions lawsuit? Please reconsider you actions against ON3P skis.
Thanks,
Jon
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