Quoting Taylorm from Aug 16 2008 12:46:04:
hahah owned good issue got it yesterday so stoke for the season

Quoting Taylorm from Aug 16 2008 1:26:19:
i dont have a scanner but they just get ripped on for the whole poaching thing and how "rebellious" they are as a company when everyone who wears there expensive stuff looks the exact same. there are some other points too its pretty good

Quoting AALT from Aug 16 2008 1:57:50:
Dear Jake Burton Carpenter,

On behalf of all your upper class, white costumers, i would like to thank you and your giant corporation for fighting the "fascist" depredations of four ski areas.  Thanks for taking a break from making american express ads to take on this massive soure of human suffering and injustice. 

a $5,000 prize to any snowboarder who provides video documentation of poaching the four ski resorts that as of last winter didnt allow snowboarding?  that is impressive. I bet you make that much in 15 minutes of filming for your Hewlett-Packard commercials.



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Quoting AALT from Aug 16 2008 1:03:10:
They did get owned.

Quoting artfullydodged from Aug 16 2008 3:07:43:
Dear Jake Burton Carpenter,              On Behalf of all your upper class, white cutomers, i would like to thank you and your gian corporation for fighting the "fascist" depredations of four ski areas. Thanks for takin a break from making American Express ads to take on this massive source of human suffering and in justice.            A 5,000$ prize to any snowboarder who provides video documentation of poaching the four ski resorts that of last winter didnt allow snowboarding? That is impressive. I bet you make that much in 15 minutes of filming for your Hewlett-Packard commercials.            Trying to create division where there is none in order to keep your brand "anti establishment" reminds me of Chevron talking about all the great things they do for the enviroment: it's self serving trash from the rich and powerful. Now that your monopolistic corporation has crushed all the small, rider-owned companies, its time to Fight the Man!                 When you catagorize these cki resorts as "facist" your likening them to dictorial regimes that systematically exploit and murder people. Considering that snowboarders as a demographic are among the wealthiest, freest, most privelaged on the planet, and that your sport and your fortune wouldn't exist without skiing, i think you can find a better cause. If you want to fight for human rights, start by moving all production out of china.            The arguement for your cause is the same time and agian: "It's discriminatory! what if they didnt let black people ski there?"                This arguement, besides insulting anyone who has benn opressed due to race, gender, religion, etc.. is pathetically shallow. You're as free to ski at Alta as anyone else. NO, you don't get to take your board on the lift, but you cant play Frisbee golf at a golf course, either.             For the sake of brevity, let's say you can have Deer Valley as far as i'm concerned. Taos needed the buisness and I support their decision. Mad river Glen is owned by a cooperative of shareholders that govers as a collective body. You want to ride at MRG, either by snowboard or toboggan? Buy a share and bring it up before the board.                Alta, on the other hand, is hallowed ground. It is the home and spiritual  heart of powder skiing in America. Alta's pioneers of avalanche science, men like Monty Atwater, Ed LaChappelke, and Svere Engen had their lives on the line daily while creating the avalanche protocol that allows all of us, including you, to ride safely. In fact, Atwater was wounded while fighting actual fascism in the Army's 10th Mountain Division during World War II.                  The ski vs. snowboard fued was always propogated by gapers on both sides. You're ressurecting it now because you know that your company has become a mainstrem, corporate, static, conformist fashion show.                     When the kids who've been lining your pocket cease feeling rebellious because they all look the same wearing your expensive products, Burton is smoked. And for the same reason that China would be better off without a brutal monolithic regime running the show, snowboarding might be better of without Burton.  - Hans Ludwig

Quoting lowrider_dave from Aug 16 2008 3:12:30:
this should be more aesthetically attractive

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Dear Jake Burton Carpenter,

On Behalf of all your upper class, white cutomers, i would like to thank you and your gian corporation for fighting the "fascist" depredations of four ski areas. Thanks for takin a break from making American Express ads to take on this massive source of human suffering and in justice.

A 5,000$ prize to any snowboarder who provides video documentation of poaching the four ski resorts that of last winter didnt allow snowboarding? That is impressive. I bet you make that much in 15 minutes of filming for your Hewlett-Packard commercials.

Trying to create division where there is none in order to keep your brand "anti establishment" reminds me of Chevron talking about all the great things they do for the enviroment: it's self serving trash from the rich and powerful. Now that your monopolistic corporation has crushed all the small, rider-owned companies, its time to Fight the Man!

When you catagorize these cki resorts as "facist" your likening them to dictorial regimes that systematically exploit and murder people. Considering that snowboarders as a demographic are among the wealthiest, freest, most privelaged on the planet, and that your sport and your fortune wouldn't exist without skiing, i think you can find a better cause. If you want to fight for human rights, start by moving all production out of china.

The arguement for your cause is the same time and agian: "It's discriminatory! what if they didnt let black people ski there?"

This arguement, besides insulting anyone who has benn opressed due to race, gender, religion, etc.. is pathetically shallow. You're as free to ski at Alta as anyone else. NO, you don't get to take your board on the lift, but you cant play Frisbee golf at a golf course, either.

For the sake of brevity, let's say you can have Deer Valley as far as i'm concerned. Taos needed the buisness and I support their decision. Mad river Glen is owned by a cooperative of shareholders that govers as a collective body. You want to ride at MRG, either by snowboard or toboggan? Buy a share and bring it up before the board.

Alta, on the other hand, is hallowed ground. It is the home and spiritual heart of powder skiing in America. Alta's pioneers of avalanche science, men like Monty Atwater, Ed LaChappelke, and Svere Engen had their lives on the line daily while creating the avalanche protocol that allows all of us, including you, to ride safely. In fact, Atwater was wounded while fighting actual fascism in the Army's 10th Mountain Division during World War II.

The ski vs. snowboard fued was always propogated by gapers on both sides. You're ressurecting it now because you know that your company has become a mainstrem, corporate, static, conformist fashion show.

When the kids who've been lining your pocket cease feeling rebellious because they all look the same wearing your expensive products, Burton is smoked. And for the same reason that China would be better off without a brutal monolithic regime running the show, snowboarding might be better of without Burton.

- Hans Ludwig

Quoting pretzels from Aug 16 2008 3:55:06:
burton is a big coreperate company and i bet they take over some of the small companies to. but what i wanna know is if a ski company does this??? like now with snowboarding a lot of my friends boycott burton cuz its to big of a coreperate and buy snowboards from small companies. do you think this can hapen in skiing? will a company like 4front get so big that they arnt cool any more and people will buy other stuff? strange to think about to cuz like, burton kinda invented snowboarding (i think) and probalby started off as a small "cool" thing. now they make to much money so their not cool? so does that mean that small ski companies like moment won't be cool anymore if they make a lot of money form skiing?

Quoting ryanb$ from Aug 16 2008 3:11:39:
wow that was amazing

Quoting pretzels from Aug 16 2008 3:55:06:
burton is a big coreperate company and i bet they take over some of the small companies to. but what i wanna know is if a ski company does this??? like now with snowboarding a lot of my friends boycott burton cuz its to big of a coreperate and buy snowboards from small companies. do you think this can hapen in skiing? will a company like 4front get so big that they arnt cool any more and people will buy other stuff? strange to think about to cuz like, burton kinda invented snowboarding (i think) and probalby started off as a small "cool" thing. now they make to much money so their not cool? so does that mean that small ski companies like moment won't be cool anymore if they make a lot of money form skiing?

Quoting lowrider_dave from Aug 16 2008 3:12:30:
If you want to fight for human rights, start by moving all production out of china.

Quoting pretzels from Aug 16 2008 3:55:06:
burton is a big coreperate company and i bet they take over some of the small companies to. but what i wanna know is if a ski company does this??? like now with snowboarding a lot of my friends boycott burton cuz its to big of a coreperate and buy snowboards from small companies. do you think this can hapen in skiing? will a company like 4front get so big that they arnt cool any more and people will buy other stuff? strange to think about to cuz like, burton kinda invented snowboarding (i think) and probalby started off as a small "cool" thing. now they make to much money so their not cool? so does that mean that small ski companies like moment won't be cool anymore if they make a lot of money form skiing?

Quoting negativenelly from Aug 16 2008 4:45:04:
lib is owned by rossignol

Quoting XtRemE11 from Aug 16 2008 4:01:51:
that was cool, he definatly destroyed burton. im all for snowboarders poaching these uptight ski resorts, i think its awesome, if you think about it, newschool skiing is much more similar to snowboarding than it is to the normal 50 year old groomer ripper's definition of skiing. so really we are more against these resorts banning snowboarding than with them.the thing that pisses me off about burton's little contest is exactly what this guy pointed out, burton could be the biggest company in snow sports, its probably run by a bunch of old men who hire 25 year old kids to tell them what's cool. they are the opposite of a core "fight the big corperations" company. and they are trying to be all cool by telling kids to rise up against the big corperations. so yeah this guy had a really good point, burton is the last company that should have a contest like this. but if it was some smaller core snowboard company i would be all for it and back the snowboarders 100%plus i bet the guy that wrote that was like 50 years old and has never touched a park, us park skier's and snowboarders are all for each other, not against each other. you will never see a skier or snowboarder telling the other sport to get out of the park or call them fags for not being on their favorite amount of boards. but you will see conflicts between these old gapers riding through the park doing sick slalom turns infront of jumps and us park skier's and snowboarders. and the people banning snowboarders from their mountain are just that type of people that you see in the park getting yelled at or yelling at all the kids.so all im saying is we are closer to snowboarding than we are to what these old men's definition of skiing is.

Quoting XtRemE11 from Aug 16 2008 4:01:51:
so yeah this guy had a really good point, burton is the last company that should have a contest like this. but if it was some smaller core snowboard company i would be all for it and back the snowboarders 100%

Quoting XtRemE11 from Aug 16 2008 4:01:51:
if you think about it, newschool skiing is much more similar to snowboarding than it is to the normal 50 year old groomer ripper's definition of skiing.

Quoting Caveman.$ from Aug 16 2008 5:06:21:
ughh no