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Its very hard to reccomend boots on the net. Try Foils, Scratch, Guns, or Mojo's. Those are all pretty everage fitting boots.
Atomic Race-Tec 150
definately pricey but then again, what are warm feet worth to you? i'm getting a set this year because i sit on a judges' stand every now and again so i want my feet to be warm and i hate riding on the back of a sled to get there.
both rock for pretty much anything now that i've tricked the Atomic with boosters and shock absorbers
ask a local you ride up the chair with where they get their stuff done.
i don't know about lyndon but i think i may take some time off next fall and do the masterfit course when it's in vermont. i don't work in a ski shop full time anymore since i took my rep job but it's definately an investment that can come back 10 fold if you want a higher paying shop job abroad
I dont work in a shop either, and have had minimal fitting experience. Ive picked up alot of wisdom from local shop owners here, and from others on NS. Im by no means an expert fitter, but I have a pretty good idea what going on with ski boots.
And no, I have not, nor have the intention on taking the masterfit course. For now, Im going to concentrate on getting into university and getting my BA in Arts and Education.
the best liner on the market by far is the foam injected liner from conformable. now those are really easy to screw up.
calvin, any shop that sells high end product should be good for footbeds.
With the intuitions, yeah you can do them at home wihtout much of a problem!
I was really meaning that someone with experience fitting them will know how to get the right fit. An inexperienced tech probably won't do things like making a little extra room in the toe box, making a good heel cup, avoid getting creases etc and of course there is the heating issue - Although they can be remoulded plenty of times - for the amount of $ you spend on them, you would want to get done right.
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Subject: Guide On: How to Buy Ski Boots
From the responses of my last two boot threads, its apparent you wanted it as a sticky. Now, just because I such a nice guy, I have made a final copy with pictures describing the process as best as I can. My apologies for making so many of these threads, but I feel its necessary for everyone to know how to properly buy boots in the absence of a professional fitter.
Over the past few weeks or so, I have noticed many threads on boots. "Which boots should I get?", "ZOMGZZZ new SPK's?", How do the Lange FR 120's feel?" and so forth.
I don’t really know how to say this, but we cant possibly recommend you a boot on the internet- however, you can assess and recommend your own boot. This may be a lot of writing, but, hopefully I cover everything. If anyone else has anything to add, please do so.
For a proper fit, you have to try on many different models and styles of boots. The SPK has a completely different fit than a Lange FR 120, as does a Krypton and a Scratch. You must try boots on to see what fits the shape of your foot. Your foot has many dimensions that have to be taken into account when trying them on, including length, width, height, and overall shape.
Keep in mind, if you’re a park skier, you may want to look into more park specific boots. Yet, you don’t NEED a park boot for park. Simon Dumont was riding some rec. boots for quite some time. THE FIT, FLEX, AND CLOSEUR SYSTEM ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT THE BOOT IS DESCRIBED TO DO
When getting a boot fit, try to shop when there is no one else around. That will ensure the fitter's undivided attention is focused on you. Hey, even boot fitters get distracted sometimes too!
Some things to watch out for at a boot fitter are variant. If the fitter asks your shoe, you may want to leave. Your shoe size has nothing to do with boots.
If the fitter isn’t asking you about your skiing, you may want to leave. He/she needs to know what type of skiing you will be doing to effectively recommend a boot.
If you, for ANY reason feel that the fitter isn’t doing their job the best they can, don’t hesitate to leave. Your not being rude, your just looking for the best boot possible.
However, some people don’t have access to a boot fitter. If you CAN'T, here are some things to try.
Getting Started
1. Look at your foot, and get an idea of the shape.
For example, here is my foot. I have a moderately wide middle, narrow heel, and moderately wide toe area. So, I need a moderately wide boot.
People with wider feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Salomon, Rossignol, and Nordica.
People with narrower feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Dalbello, Lange, and Atomic.
(note: different models have different fits. This is just a VERY general guideline.)
2. Fit
Socks
When trying on the boots at the shop, be sure to wear ski socks. Athletic sock, ankle socks, and dress socks are very different. If you don’t have a pair of ski socks, you should really consider in investing in a pair. I use BURTON snowboard socks, just so you know.
[img]http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1637/picture009jr4.jpg /img]
Do your own Shell Fit. Remove the liner from the boot, and put your foot into the empty shell. Push your foot forward until your toes hit the end on the toe box. You should have about 1", to 1 1/2" between the back of your heel and the shell. If this is the case, the shell is generally the right size for you.
The boot should feel snug. Remember, that all boots will pack out, sometimes after a few runs. You can gain up to 1 cm or so in room after this occurs.
Remove the liner carefully. You can rip them if there is sharp plastic, or something of the sort in the boot.
Here is my shell fit. I have exactly 1 inch.
Never go by the manufactures sizing, or your shoe size. Simply use these as guidelines. A 27.5 Salomon Foil and a 27.5 Salomon SPK are different sizes. If I know you’re a size 9.5, I’m going to try on the 27.5, bust to see. Its not like, “There’s a 27.5, I’m buying it!”
DON’T BUY YOUR BOOTS TOO BIG. THIS CAN CAUSE INJURY, AND RUIN YOUR FUN ON THE SLOPES!!
3. Put the boot on, with the liner in, and buckle it up. Get a feel for it by flexing it forward. Keep in mind the boot is going to feel substantially stiffere when your out riding in the cold. If you feel pressure points, you probably don’t want that specific boot.
Some boots have a lot of adjustability. I’ve moved the instep buckle of my foils to the back position. This helps to keep my narrow heel locked into the heel cup, but pulling it downwards and back, much like a snowboard binding, or a Dalbello Krypton boot.
4. Take your time!
Take your time! Take your time! Take your time! I can’t stress this enough! Patience is crucial in buying good fitting boots.
Buying boots isn’t an impulse purchase like a cute handbag or a trashy mini-skirt! A good analogy is dating. Your almost never marry your first girlfriend, and the same with boots. You need to go out with as many girls(boots) as you can, and then marry(purchase) the one that you love(fits) you best. There are plenty of great boots out there, so try on many, and you will find the perfect one!
Another way to improve your experience is to go shopping for boots alone. If your going with a friend/parent, your opinions can actually be swayed by their own. Also, try to leave the look of the boot out of your final decision. Its great to have a good looking boot, but if you are buying more for the looks, you will sacrifice comfort and performance.
Look for boots over the summer. This way, you wont feel any rush to buy them, and, in doing so, may come across another boot, or a better deal later on.
5. Price
Don't let the price of the boot intimidate you. Often, the more you spend, the better quality you are getting. Think of boots as an investment in your skiing, and your comfort on the hill. If you see boots that aren’t in your budget, try to get a deal on them, or buy the boots first, and buy your skis/bindings later. Your cant put a price on comfort! I paid 400$ for my Foils after the final fitting, and I couldn’t be happier with my purchase. I was only planning on spending 200$, but, I’m very glad I spent the extra money.
6. Comfort?
Too comfortable can be a problem. Too many folks look for boots that feel cozy, like a well-worn pair of bedroom slippers. The biggest mistake you can make is buying too big. Boots should fit snugly—like a firm handshake. But, when you ski as little as three runs, the boot will pack out. And, remember, you’re dealing with new, stiff pieces of foam, plastic and leather. It takes a while to break those materials in. If they feel a bit tight in the shop, keep them on for fifteen minutes and let them set into your foot.
7. Cuff
Never buy a boot without cuff adjustment. Practically every boot nowadays does, but just keep that in mind. Macro-Adjust buckles, power-straps, canting, and other cuff and tongue adjustability is great, but not something to be played around with, especially canting.
8. Type of skier?
Think about what kind of skiing you plan to do. Typically, a park skier will want a boot more flexy and forgiving. Someone charging in the backcountry will want a stiffer, more responsive boot.
Flex Guide
These are only a guideline, remember, its all personal preference.
All companies flex indexes are different, and your personal preference varies, but here it goes.
Park- 70-85
All Mtn.- 80-95
BC- 90-110
Charging- 105-120
9. Shape of the boot.
When looking at boots, look for one that traces the same shape as you calf. People with a smaller calf will need a different shape than people with a wider calf. Some boots have adjustments that can be made to increase and decrease volume in this area. It is important that this is not too tight-you may loose circulation and have cold feet, yet it is important it is not too loose- the dreaded shin bang!
10. Final "Steps"
Be sure to try on BOTH boots. Your left foot may be different from your right foot, so be sure to try on both. I cant stress enough to TAKE YOUR TIME. Sit in the shop for 45 minutes with the boots on. I’m sure they wont care, unless the owner secretly hates you.
Liner
Be sure to wear your new boots around after you buy them to break them in. Some models have a heat-moldable liner. This allows for a more custom fit. A heat mold can be done at your shop. They heat the liner, then you put your boot on, buckle it tight, and just sit, and walk around for about 45 minutes.
For some boots that are higher quality, you can swap out various liners. I know you can do this with some Dalbello boots, switching out the stock liner for an ID liner. I can always get another Salomon liner from a boot using the same mold, but I’m content with mine.
You can also invest in custom footbeds and orthotics. These are all fine tweaks you can do to improve the fit of your boots.
If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me and I'll try to help out as much as I can!
Over the past few weeks or so, I have noticed many threads on boots. "Which boots should I get?", "ZOMGZZZ new SPK's?", How do the Lange FR 120's feel?" and so forth.
I don’t really know how to say this, but we cant possibly recommend you a boot on the internet- however, you can assess and recommend your own boot. This may be a lot of writing, but, hopefully I cover everything. If anyone else has anything to add, please do so.
For a proper fit, you have to try on many different models and styles of boots. The SPK has a completely different fit than a Lange FR 120, as does a Krypton and a Scratch. You must try boots on to see what fits the shape of your foot. Your foot has many dimensions that have to be taken into account when trying them on, including length, width, height, and overall shape.
Keep in mind, if you’re a park skier, you may want to look into more park specific boots. Yet, you don’t NEED a park boot for park. Simon Dumont was riding some rec. boots for quite some time. THE FIT, FLEX, AND CLOSEUR SYSTEM ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT THE BOOT IS DESCRIBED TO DO
When getting a boot fit, try to shop when there is no one else around. That will ensure the fitter's undivided attention is focused on you. Hey, even boot fitters get distracted sometimes too!
Some things to watch out for at a boot fitter are variant. If the fitter asks your shoe, you may want to leave. Your shoe size has nothing to do with boots.
If the fitter isn’t asking you about your skiing, you may want to leave. He/she needs to know what type of skiing you will be doing to effectively recommend a boot.
If you, for ANY reason feel that the fitter isn’t doing their job the best they can, don’t hesitate to leave. Your not being rude, your just looking for the best boot possible.
However, some people don’t have access to a boot fitter. If you CAN'T, here are some things to try.
Getting Started
1. Look at your foot, and get an idea of the shape.
For example, here is my foot. I have a moderately wide middle, narrow heel, and moderately wide toe area. So, I need a moderately wide boot.
;)
People with wider feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Salomon, Rossignol, and Nordica.
People with narrower feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Dalbello, Lange, and Atomic.
(note: different models have different fits. This is just a VERY general guideline.)
2. Fit
Socks
When trying on the boots at the shop, be sure to wear ski socks. Athletic sock, ankle socks, and dress socks are very different. If you don’t have a pair of ski socks, you should really consider in investing in a pair. I use BURTON snowboard socks, just so you know.
[img]http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1637/picture009jr4.jpg /img]
Do your own Shell Fit. Remove the liner from the boot, and put your foot into the empty shell. Push your foot forward until your toes hit the end on the toe box. You should have about 1", to 1 1/2" between the back of your heel and the shell. If this is the case, the shell is generally the right size for you.
The boot should feel snug. Remember, that all boots will pack out, sometimes after a few runs. You can gain up to 1 cm or so in room after this occurs.
Remove the liner carefully. You can rip them if there is sharp plastic, or something of the sort in the boot.
;)
Here is my shell fit. I have exactly 1 inch.
;)
Never go by the manufactures sizing, or your shoe size. Simply use these as guidelines. A 27.5 Salomon Foil and a 27.5 Salomon SPK are different sizes. If I know you’re a size 9.5, I’m going to try on the 27.5, bust to see. Its not like, “There’s a 27.5, I’m buying it!”
;)
DON’T BUY YOUR BOOTS TOO BIG. THIS CAN CAUSE INJURY, AND RUIN YOUR FUN ON THE SLOPES!!
3. Put the boot on, with the liner in, and buckle it up. Get a feel for it by flexing it forward. Keep in mind the boot is going to feel substantially stiffere when your out riding in the cold. If you feel pressure points, you probably don’t want that specific boot.
;)
Some boots have a lot of adjustability. I’ve moved the instep buckle of my foils to the back position. This helps to keep my narrow heel locked into the heel cup, but pulling it downwards and back, much like a snowboard binding, or a Dalbello Krypton boot.
;)
4. Take your time!
Take your time! Take your time! Take your time! I can’t stress this enough! Patience is crucial in buying good fitting boots.
Buying boots isn’t an impulse purchase like a cute handbag or a trashy mini-skirt! A good analogy is dating. Your almost never marry your first girlfriend, and the same with boots. You need to go out with as many girls(boots) as you can, and then marry(purchase) the one that you love(fits) you best. There are plenty of great boots out there, so try on many, and you will find the perfect one!
Another way to improve your experience is to go shopping for boots alone. If your going with a friend/parent, your opinions can actually be swayed by their own. Also, try to leave the look of the boot out of your final decision. Its great to have a good looking boot, but if you are buying more for the looks, you will sacrifice comfort and performance.
Look for boots over the summer. This way, you wont feel any rush to buy them, and, in doing so, may come across another boot, or a better deal later on.
5. Price
Don't let the price of the boot intimidate you. Often, the more you spend, the better quality you are getting. Think of boots as an investment in your skiing, and your comfort on the hill. If you see boots that aren’t in your budget, try to get a deal on them, or buy the boots first, and buy your skis/bindings later. Your cant put a price on comfort! I paid 400$ for my Foils after the final fitting, and I couldn’t be happier with my purchase. I was only planning on spending 200$, but, I’m very glad I spent the extra money.
6. Comfort?
Too comfortable can be a problem. Too many folks look for boots that feel cozy, like a well-worn pair of bedroom slippers. The biggest mistake you can make is buying too big. Boots should fit snugly—like a firm handshake. But, when you ski as little as three runs, the boot will pack out. And, remember, you’re dealing with new, stiff pieces of foam, plastic and leather. It takes a while to break those materials in. If they feel a bit tight in the shop, keep them on for fifteen minutes and let them set into your foot.
7. Cuff
Never buy a boot without cuff adjustment. Practically every boot nowadays does, but just keep that in mind. Macro-Adjust buckles, power-straps, canting, and other cuff and tongue adjustability is great, but not something to be played around with, especially canting.
;)
8. Type of skier?
Think about what kind of skiing you plan to do. Typically, a park skier will want a boot more flexy and forgiving. Someone charging in the backcountry will want a stiffer, more responsive boot.
Flex Guide
These are only a guideline, remember, its all personal preference.
All companies flex indexes are different, and your personal preference varies, but here it goes.
Park- 70-85
All Mtn.- 80-95
BC- 90-110
Charging- 105-120
9. Shape of the boot.
When looking at boots, look for one that traces the same shape as you calf. People with a smaller calf will need a different shape than people with a wider calf. Some boots have adjustments that can be made to increase and decrease volume in this area. It is important that this is not too tight-you may loose circulation and have cold feet, yet it is important it is not too loose- the dreaded shin bang!
10. Final "Steps"
Be sure to try on BOTH boots. Your left foot may be different from your right foot, so be sure to try on both. I cant stress enough to TAKE YOUR TIME. Sit in the shop for 45 minutes with the boots on. I’m sure they wont care, unless the owner secretly hates you.
Liner
Be sure to wear your new boots around after you buy them to break them in. Some models have a heat-moldable liner. This allows for a more custom fit. A heat mold can be done at your shop. They heat the liner, then you put your boot on, buckle it tight, and just sit, and walk around for about 45 minutes.
For some boots that are higher quality, you can swap out various liners. I know you can do this with some Dalbello boots, switching out the stock liner for an ID liner. I can always get another Salomon liner from a boot using the same mold, but I’m content with mine.
;)
You can also invest in custom footbeds and orthotics. These are all fine tweaks you can do to improve the fit of your boots.
If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me and I'll try to help out as much as I can!
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Quoting The_Future from Oct 2 2007 8:23:22:
^^ yeah its a tad big on me not much but definitly a little bit... i wish i had the money to just get new boots but im gonna try and make these go for this season.
I guess, just play around with higher insoles, or different socks. What boot is it? ^^ yeah its a tad big on me not much but definitly a little bit... i wish i had the money to just get new boots but im gonna try and make these go for this season.
With my most sincere regards,
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
same exact as you have...
Quoting The_Future from Oct 3 2007 9:57:23:
same exact as you have...
yepyep same exact as you have...
With my most sincere regards,
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
so im a guy whos like 6 foot and weigh about 150-160 pounds, and im looking for a new freestyle boot to suit me, ive got a high arch and a medium width foot and i mostly ski park
which boot would be best for me?
i was kinda lookin at the new spk's and spk pro's as well as the dalbello krypton rampage or somethin like it
which boot would be best for me?
i was kinda lookin at the new spk's and spk pro's as well as the dalbello krypton rampage or somethin like it
Quoting MattWeiss from Oct 18 2007 10:55:35:
so im a guy whos like 6 foot and weigh about 150-160 pounds, and im looking for a new freestyle boot to suit me, ive got a high arch and a medium width foot and i mostly ski park
which boot would be best for me?
i was kinda lookin at the new spk's and spk pro's as well as the dalbello krypton rampage or somethin like it
Why are you looking at SPK's AND Kryptons. SPK's are relatively wide, while Kryptons are rather narrow. Its impossible for both boots to fit you.so im a guy whos like 6 foot and weigh about 150-160 pounds, and im looking for a new freestyle boot to suit me, ive got a high arch and a medium width foot and i mostly ski park
which boot would be best for me?
i was kinda lookin at the new spk's and spk pro's as well as the dalbello krypton rampage or somethin like it
Its very hard to reccomend boots on the net. Try Foils, Scratch, Guns, or Mojo's. Those are all pretty everage fitting boots.
With my most sincere regards,
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
So I have some narrow feet and chicken legs. The other day I picked up a pair of Dalbello Il Moro's for a sick price. I love them, they feel great on my feet and I love the flex. The only thing that bothers me is there is one small pressure point on the top of my right shin, it's not there on my left at all. But it sometimes it will hurt quite a bit while flexing forwards.
I have some pretty fucked up shins, mostly from running, which has led to a lot of shin problems. I think these might help out alot with the new innovative design. Any thing I could try that might help relieve that small pressure on the top of my shin?
I have some pretty fucked up shins, mostly from running, which has led to a lot of shin problems. I think these might help out alot with the new innovative design. Any thing I could try that might help relieve that small pressure on the top of my shin?
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Quoting GLrunner13 from Oct 24 2007 4:56:46:
So I have some narrow feet and chicken legs. The other day I picked up a pair of Dalbello Il Moro's for a sick price. I love them, they feel great on my feet and I love the flex. The only thing that bothers me is there is one small pressure point on the top of my right shin, it's not there on my left at all. But it sometimes it will hurt quite a bit while flexing forwards.
I have some pretty fucked up shins, mostly from running, which has led to a lot of shin problems. I think these might help out alot with the new innovative design. Any thing I could try that might help relieve that small pressure on the top of my shin?
Try to get back to your shop. They should be able to pin-point the problem, and grind it down for you. So I have some narrow feet and chicken legs. The other day I picked up a pair of Dalbello Il Moro's for a sick price. I love them, they feel great on my feet and I love the flex. The only thing that bothers me is there is one small pressure point on the top of my right shin, it's not there on my left at all. But it sometimes it will hurt quite a bit while flexing forwards.
I have some pretty fucked up shins, mostly from running, which has led to a lot of shin problems. I think these might help out alot with the new innovative design. Any thing I could try that might help relieve that small pressure on the top of my shin?
With my most sincere regards,
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
Quoting lyndon from Oct 24 2007 9:01:46:
Try to get back to your shop. They should be able to pin-point the problem, and grind it down for you.
Ya I have to still get them heat molded. It's really annoying because other than that little pressure point, they are amazing and I love them. I think it is also probably just me, I was on the verge of stress fracturing my shins a few years ago from over running like I said and of the 4 stress fractures I've had none of them have healed to completion. It's an annoying problem that has plagued me every season with terrible shin bang. We'll see what they say at the shop I guess. Try to get back to your shop. They should be able to pin-point the problem, and grind it down for you.
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sorry a noob question but what does packing out mean???? thanks guys
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Quoting mz2288 from Oct 25 2007 3:18:08:
sorry a noob question but what does packing out mean???? thanks guys
When you buy a boot, the liner will be very thick and fluffy. After a while, it "Packs" down. Imagine a matress. When you first buy it, its fluffy and soft, yet, as time goes on, it becomes harder and more firm. sorry a noob question but what does packing out mean???? thanks guys
With my most sincere regards,
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
Thanks, this guide helped me a lot in going into a boot fitting. Now I have to choose if I want to buy a park boot or boot more focused on actual "skiing".
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Some people are trying to snowboard here!
Oh I get it. Sorry to ruin your day.
what are teh stiffest boots that you guys know of ?
Quoting DUBIE from Nov 1 2007 1:33:09:
what are teh stiffest boots that you guys know of ?
Look into some world-cup level race boots. Lange 120's are rather stiff. what are teh stiffest boots that you guys know of ?
With my most sincere regards,
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
i have those boots their pretty nice
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Quoting DUBIE from Nov 1 2007 1:33:09:
what are teh stiffest boots that you guys know of ?
Lange World Cup 150 ZA-ZAwhat are teh stiffest boots that you guys know of ?
Atomic Race-Tec 150
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what are teh stiffest boots that you guys know of ?
Technica Diablo Magma's from about 4 years ago. Ridiculously stiff. But from boots that are out right now, pretty much everyone hit it on the head with Lange. Their WC 120 is very stiff.
Technica Diablo Magma's from about 4 years ago. Ridiculously stiff. But from boots that are out right now, pretty much everyone hit it on the head with Lange. Their WC 120 is very stiff.
Quoting DroppinMercury from Nov 6 2007 10:02:58:
what are teh stiffest boots that you guys know of ?
Technica Diablo Magma's from about 4 years ago. Ridiculously stiff. But from boots that are out right now, pretty much everyone hit it on the head with Lange. Their WC 120 is very stiff.
look above you what are teh stiffest boots that you guys know of ?
Technica Diablo Magma's from about 4 years ago. Ridiculously stiff. But from boots that are out right now, pretty much everyone hit it on the head with Lange. Their WC 120 is very stiff.
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first off, great thread guys, really good to know.
i'm in the market for some new boots and im going to get them custom fitted.
i,ve got really bad circulation in my feet especially and am therefore looking into getting the soles that become heated, has anyone heard about them, or know anything about them, they are quite expensive but worth the money in my opinion.
shed some light
i'm in the market for some new boots and im going to get them custom fitted.
i,ve got really bad circulation in my feet especially and am therefore looking into getting the soles that become heated, has anyone heard about them, or know anything about them, they are quite expensive but worth the money in my opinion.
shed some light
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"What else are you going to do on a Saturday? Sit in your fucking armchair wanking off to pop idols, then trying to avoid your wifes gaze as you try to come to terms with you sexless marriage, then go and spend your wages on kebabs, fruit machines and brasses. Fuck that for a laugh. I know what i'd rather do. Tottenham away. LOVE IT"
Danny Dyer, Football Factory
watever's comfortable and fits?
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Quoting *monsterskier* from Nov 12 2007 9:02:03:
watever's comfortable and fits?
bangarang watever's comfortable and fits?
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thanks bro this really helped
Quoting pDails from Sep 30 2007 11:47:05:
wow. i wish i could make favorites for threads
luckily its a sticky but yawow. i wish i could make favorites for threads
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Quoting *monsterskier* from Nov 12 2007 9:02:03:
watever's comfortable and fits?
watever's comfortable and fits?
Yeah...if you're a snowboarder that would make sense.
btw, this is one of the better threads on proper boot fitting
Sure an Ipod is great, until you realize you just bought an Apple Product...
i hear 32 lashed is pretty good too
Quoting ValPow from Nov 7 2007 1:00:18:
first off, great thread guys, really good to know.
i'm in the market for some new boots and im going to get them custom fitted.
i,ve got really bad circulation in my feet especially and am therefore looking into getting the soles that become heated, has anyone heard about them, or know anything about them, they are quite expensive but worth the money in my opinion.
shed some light
get the Thermic heaters.first off, great thread guys, really good to know.
i'm in the market for some new boots and im going to get them custom fitted.
i,ve got really bad circulation in my feet especially and am therefore looking into getting the soles that become heated, has anyone heard about them, or know anything about them, they are quite expensive but worth the money in my opinion.
shed some light
definately pricey but then again, what are warm feet worth to you? i'm getting a set this year because i sit on a judges' stand every now and again so i want my feet to be warm and i hate riding on the back of a sled to get there.
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yep i have the atomic race tec 150 for racing, got those last year its fuckin stiff.
i also just bought technica the agent 120 for freeriding.
i dont race anymore, but i might like 3 yrs from now so im going to keep the atomic for now...
- Nic
i also just bought technica the agent 120 for freeriding.
i dont race anymore, but i might like 3 yrs from now so im going to keep the atomic for now...
- Nic
Quoting Sknsnw9 from Dec 4 2007 2:27:15:
yep i have the atomic race tec 150 for racing, got those last year its fuckin stiff.
i also just bought technica the agent 120 for freeriding.
i dont race anymore, but i might like 3 yrs from now so im going to keep the atomic for now...
good call. i ride either an Atomic X-130 or a Lange Freeride 120.yep i have the atomic race tec 150 for racing, got those last year its fuckin stiff.
i also just bought technica the agent 120 for freeriding.
i dont race anymore, but i might like 3 yrs from now so im going to keep the atomic for now...
both rock for pretty much anything now that i've tricked the Atomic with boosters and shock absorbers
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i have a 2 year old pair of nordica beasts that i had customed fitted just like you recommended (i actually read the ski magazines not just look at the pictures). anyway, even with this knowledge i feel that i should have shopped better. The boots fitting better allowed my skiing to progress but now i wish i would have been more aggressive with my fit. i went for comfort and probably paid the price with power transfer now that these bad boys have packed out to the fullest. so here's my question...
can i breathe new life into the shells which were fitted well i think/flex is ok/etc with some custom liners? if so, any pointers on going through that process? can i take my footbeds into the new liners (they were custom cork too)? any ballpark on price? or should bite the bullet and go for a whole new setup (which i dont really want to do?
thanks for your time, info, and wisdom.
can i breathe new life into the shells which were fitted well i think/flex is ok/etc with some custom liners? if so, any pointers on going through that process? can i take my footbeds into the new liners (they were custom cork too)? any ballpark on price? or should bite the bullet and go for a whole new setup (which i dont really want to do?
thanks for your time, info, and wisdom.
Can anyone name the best bootfitter(s) in Aspen village, or just outside (I'll be staying in Basalt). I'm sure I could probably ask someone when I got there, but then what would I talk about on the forums?
To the dude who had his boots fitted badly and now has deformed feet, I feel your pain. I had some X Wave 8s fitted badly a few years ago, and had pressure points just behind my little toe on the outside of both feet - they got inflamed and grew into bony knobs. I probably left it too long to eventually get the points blown out and get custom footbeds, but when I did, it was well worth it. When they were at their worst, they looked like a 6th toe wanting to grow out of my foot or something (I'm only exaggerating a bit). They stopped getting swollen and have shrunk over time, but they're still there and I'll probably never get rid of them.
To the dude who had his boots fitted badly and now has deformed feet, I feel your pain. I had some X Wave 8s fitted badly a few years ago, and had pressure points just behind my little toe on the outside of both feet - they got inflamed and grew into bony knobs. I probably left it too long to eventually get the points blown out and get custom footbeds, but when I did, it was well worth it. When they were at their worst, they looked like a 6th toe wanting to grow out of my foot or something (I'm only exaggerating a bit). They stopped getting swollen and have shrunk over time, but they're still there and I'll probably never get rid of them.
im pretty sure there is a surefoot shop in aspen village. they are banging.
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lyndon you ever take the masterfit university course?
Quoting illianceblock from Dec 26 2007 7:56:51:
im pretty sure there is a surefoot shop in aspen village. they are banging.
be careful when going to surefoot. they know their stuff but you're going to pay a lot of money for smoke and mirrors. im pretty sure there is a surefoot shop in aspen village. they are banging.
ask a local you ride up the chair with where they get their stuff done.
i don't know about lyndon but i think i may take some time off next fall and do the masterfit course when it's in vermont. i don't work in a ski shop full time anymore since i took my rep job but it's definately an investment that can come back 10 fold if you want a higher paying shop job abroad
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Quoting Pipe_Munky$ from Jan 2 2008 12:25:19:
i don't know about lyndon but i think i may take some time off next fall and do the masterfit course when it's in vermont. i don't work in a ski shop full time anymore since i took my rep job but it's definately an investment that can come back 10 fold if you want a higher paying shop job abroad
Im still in Highschool right now, but Im planning on being a history teacher at the highschool level. I would like to open my own shop, or to work in one, but it just doesnt seem to be the career for me. I want something a little more stable, and hell, with summers off, I could easily look into starting my own business.i don't know about lyndon but i think i may take some time off next fall and do the masterfit course when it's in vermont. i don't work in a ski shop full time anymore since i took my rep job but it's definately an investment that can come back 10 fold if you want a higher paying shop job abroad
I dont work in a shop either, and have had minimal fitting experience. Ive picked up alot of wisdom from local shop owners here, and from others on NS. Im by no means an expert fitter, but I have a pretty good idea what going on with ski boots.
And no, I have not, nor have the intention on taking the masterfit course. For now, Im going to concentrate on getting into university and getting my BA in Arts and Education.
With my most sincere regards,
Lyndon
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NIce write-up, but as far as shell fitting goes you may want to add that it's easy to guestimate that inch of space (1.5 inches seems a bit much) but using your fingers. If you can slid two fingers behing your heel (stacked on top of eachother, not side by side) that's about an inch, and that's a comfy fit. If you want a snug fit, a little more than one finger will provide that for you.
Also, if you're going with head mold liners, go with Intuition. Also note that not all Intuition liners are the same. For example, Scarpa makes a Universal Intuition liner that is not the same as the liner that comes in a Spirit 4 boot. Same goes with Dalbello, they have their Gold/Silver etc. liners. Be sure to get the best liner you can, and fit your boot SNUG and get them heated up and make sure your boot fitter has you wearing foam or plastic toe cups over your toes.
I've fitted quite a few pairs of Scarpa and Dalbello boots with Intuition liners, and I'm not a boot fitter, but my customers love the fit of their boots. From what I've tried on myself, too, Dalbello boots are extremely comfortable with the Gold Intuition liner, and I'd recommend them to anyone who wants a pair of boots that'll last them for years.
Also, if you're going with head mold liners, go with Intuition. Also note that not all Intuition liners are the same. For example, Scarpa makes a Universal Intuition liner that is not the same as the liner that comes in a Spirit 4 boot. Same goes with Dalbello, they have their Gold/Silver etc. liners. Be sure to get the best liner you can, and fit your boot SNUG and get them heated up and make sure your boot fitter has you wearing foam or plastic toe cups over your toes.
I've fitted quite a few pairs of Scarpa and Dalbello boots with Intuition liners, and I'm not a boot fitter, but my customers love the fit of their boots. From what I've tried on myself, too, Dalbello boots are extremely comfortable with the Gold Intuition liner, and I'd recommend them to anyone who wants a pair of boots that'll last them for years.
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If you are going to get intuition liners make sure they are moulded by someone that knows what they are doing - its VERY easy to screw that process up and waste a shitload of money.
And, Lyndon - I hadn't read this thread until now, but great work.
And, Lyndon - I hadn't read this thread until now, but great work.
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I'll be sure to remember this thread next time I can afford new boots!
so i realize that canada is a monarchy, but how are each individual provinces governed and how are they connected to britain? im so confused about the information that i read on the way the canadian government was run. can someone please enlighten me via laments terms?
where would you get custom footbeds?
Quoting Silence$$ from Jan 2 2008 10:32:44:
If you are going to get intuition liners make sure they are moulded by someone that knows what they are doing - its VERY easy to screw that process up and waste a shitload of money.
And, Lyndon - I hadn't read this thread until now, but great work.
Intuition liners are actually really hard to screw up unless of course you burn them in the heating process.If you are going to get intuition liners make sure they are moulded by someone that knows what they are doing - its VERY easy to screw that process up and waste a shitload of money.
And, Lyndon - I hadn't read this thread until now, but great work.
the best liner on the market by far is the foam injected liner from conformable. now those are really easy to screw up.
calvin, any shop that sells high end product should be good for footbeds.
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Quoting Pipe_Munky$ from Jan 7 2008 11:54:09:
Intuition liners are actually really hard to screw up unless of course you burn them in the heating process.
the best liner on the market by far is the foam injected liner from conformable. now those are really easy to screw up.
Oh yeah foam is a different story. I went to a conformab'le tech night and they showed the process and i'm defnitely not comfortable taking someones money to do that for them just yet!
Intuition liners are actually really hard to screw up unless of course you burn them in the heating process.
the best liner on the market by far is the foam injected liner from conformable. now those are really easy to screw up.
With the intuitions, yeah you can do them at home wihtout much of a problem!
I was really meaning that someone with experience fitting them will know how to get the right fit. An inexperienced tech probably won't do things like making a little extra room in the toe box, making a good heel cup, avoid getting creases etc and of course there is the heating issue - Although they can be remoulded plenty of times - for the amount of $ you spend on them, you would want to get done right.
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I think I do need new boots, as my feet kind of move around in my current ones. although they were bad to begin with and I bought them at sport chek.
also what is the difference between the walk setting and the ski setting? like what changes does it make in the boot? I can't tell any significant difference.. I just assumed it was a feature on cheap boots that does nothing.
also what is the difference between the walk setting and the ski setting? like what changes does it make in the boot? I can't tell any significant difference.. I just assumed it was a feature on cheap boots that does nothing.
so i realize that canada is a monarchy, but how are each individual provinces governed and how are they connected to britain? im so confused about the information that i read on the way the canadian government was run. can someone please enlighten me via laments terms?
Quoting ema from Jan 8 2008 3:44:23:
I think I do need new boots, as my feet kind of move around in my current ones. although they were bad to begin with and I bought them at sport chek.
also what is the difference between the walk setting and the ski setting? like what changes does it make in the boot? I can't tell any significant difference.. I just assumed it was a feature on cheap boots that does nothing.
I think I do need new boots, as my feet kind of move around in my current ones. although they were bad to begin with and I bought them at sport chek.
also what is the difference between the walk setting and the ski setting? like what changes does it make in the boot? I can't tell any significant difference.. I just assumed it was a feature on cheap boots that does nothing.
you my dear are correct!
ski/walk features for the most part are nothing but gimmicks to make old people buy boots. some work but must don't.
if you're moving around in your boot it's time for new ones. for the love of god do not go to sport chek! you're in Vancouver so go see the guys at Snowcovers. they'll get you all set up proper
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the silver buckle can be moved towards the vertical part of the boot. this puts more pressure closer to you ankle, I found this helped a lot with locking my ankle in. Use this in conjunction with the instep buckle back placement,
the silver buckle can be moved towards the vertical part of the boot. this puts more pressure closer to you ankle, I found this helped a lot with locking my ankle in. Use this in conjunction with the instep buckle back placement,
damn did you type all of this or just copy-paste? thats nuts if you typed it, but mad good info none the less. A+
Quoting Dr_Feelgood from Jan 29 2008 6:04:40:
damn did you type all of this or just copy-paste? thats nuts if you typed it, but mad good info none the less. A+
Im sure he typed every bit of it... damn did you type all of this or just copy-paste? thats nuts if you typed it, but mad good info none the less. A+
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I can totally attest to getting a good ski sock. Last year I forgot socks and ended up buying some X-Socks at the mountain for $40... I swore I'd never pay that much for a sock, EVER.
Holy crap was I wrong, these socks rule and now I want another pair (cause I ski 3 times a week).
So now the only problem is that I have to convince myself that I should spend $40 again.
Holy crap was I wrong, these socks rule and now I want another pair (cause I ski 3 times a week).
So now the only problem is that I have to convince myself that I should spend $40 again.
Quoting newengland72 from Jan 29 2008 11:56:40:
I can totally attest to getting a good ski sock. Last year I forgot socks and ended up buying some X-Socks at the mountain for $40... I swore I'd never pay that much for a sock, EVER.
Holy crap was I wrong, these socks rule and now I want another pair (cause I ski 3 times a week).
So now the only problem is that I have to convince myself that I should spend $40 again.
X-socks are great but imo the price is a little high. look at getting a wool ski-d sock from DeFeet. they're a lot less than a pair of x-socks and i can honestly say you wont be disapointed.I can totally attest to getting a good ski sock. Last year I forgot socks and ended up buying some X-Socks at the mountain for $40... I swore I'd never pay that much for a sock, EVER.
Holy crap was I wrong, these socks rule and now I want another pair (cause I ski 3 times a week).
So now the only problem is that I have to convince myself that I should spend $40 again.
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I live in London Ontario for the moment and have a pair of salomon foils
Does anyone know a shop where I can go get these custom fitted? Every now and then my boots start to hurt the top of my feet on the middle-outside area. I think its something in the boot shell or a tab on the liner that is causing the uncomfortableness. However it only happens when I am skiing the steeps, never in the park.
Does anyone know a shop where I can go get these custom fitted? Every now and then my boots start to hurt the top of my feet on the middle-outside area. I think its something in the boot shell or a tab on the liner that is causing the uncomfortableness. However it only happens when I am skiing the steeps, never in the park.
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I know it's alittle off topic, but how do you store your boots for a long period of time?(unbuckled fully, partially buckled, buckled to where you usually buckle them to, fully buckled, etc)
-so imagine if someone called you an idiot or something of that sort, what would you do?
-well I would probably tell said person to f*ck off
-what if that person was yourself?
-well then I would obviously tell myself to f*ck off.. if that answers your question..
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