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He was responsive in replying, but did not do much to actually recognize that he made a mistake. There was no apology. He did show one link for someone looking to buy the pants (not "many ways"), but I wasn't trying to sell, I was looking for him to recognize that he'd made a mistake and acknowledge that he would be more careful in the future.
In terms of resolving the issue. He said that a rep gave them to him and that I could try for warantee. However, this does not make sense because warantees only work with proof of purchase from an authorized dealer. He also said that the pants may be a "factory second." When selling, one should always check for condition... check for possible reasons why it may be a second rather than passing it off and new and perfect.
Price is not the issue and has nothing to do with why I am bringing this up.
Saying the pants are of poor quality is not an excuse for not accurately stating condition. Yes wear and tear happens eventually, but I like to receive things I buy in the condition stated.
In terms of being put on the BAD list, like I said I was hesitant to bring up the case because Bp. has a solid reputation on the site... and note the last few lines of what I said before...
"He did refer me to people who were looking for the pants in case I wanted to sell them, so I don't think he intended poorly as a seller. I'd just recommend anyone who may deal with him in the future to make sure he is being up front about the condition of the product being sold."
So I think it's totally Rowen's call. I just wanted to make the case known, not necessarily demanding Bp. be put on the list - it's just a complicated case.
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Subject: Official Good Seller/Buyer List
Not sure if this has been done before(if so please forgive me), but name all the members you have dealt with who were excellent.
Mine so far:
Vicious*
Snoopy*
Mine so far:
Vicious*
Snoopy*
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Yours Truly:
Sir Steven
Black Ladies WatchMen
Yours Truly:
Sir Steven
Black Ladies WatchMen
Ok, new page, update the NSTOR file! (NewSchooler Trade Organization Rating... file)
So, here it is:
http://www.mediafire.com/?4jmmjnmd2ez
Alright, and remember:
- "____ is legit!" doesnt help the member you bought/sold from ratings as much as "_____ sold me ____!!" Its better for everyone if your specific!
- This is your list: use it! If you buy from someone, check their rating! See if they have bad deals! Do this before buying so you get to know who you're dealing with better.
- If you change your username, PM me, I'll change it in the file on the next version.
Thanks, and I'll be back next page!
So, here it is:
http://www.mediafire.com/?4jmmjnmd2ez
Alright, and remember:
- "____ is legit!" doesnt help the member you bought/sold from ratings as much as "_____ sold me ____!!" Its better for everyone if your specific!
- This is your list: use it! If you buy from someone, check their rating! See if they have bad deals! Do this before buying so you get to know who you're dealing with better.
- If you change your username, PM me, I'll change it in the file on the next version.
Thanks, and I'll be back next page!
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“To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity.” --Douglas Adams
“To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity.” --Douglas Adams
Quoting [BP]
from May 10 2007 9:16:43:
as everyone can do im gonna cover myself on this,
These pants were never used, and were bagged until i got them, Where i took the picture, I never wore these pants, but I own alot of oakley gear including pants, and the same size which is how i knew the fit of the pants.
secondly I never saw any rips or tears, and was very responsive to the issue, showed many ways to resell the pants and worked to resolve the issue, however i let a pair of Antifrezze pants go for REDONK cheap.
and to all of you who know the Puffy 3.5 pants you know you buy these pants for looks not at all qaulity, there are numerous infact pages of threads that mention how easily the pants rip.
I dont really think it fair to be put on the BAD list, however I do appreciate the concern.
I'd like to clarify on a few of the points above: from May 10 2007 9:16:43:as everyone can do im gonna cover myself on this,
These pants were never used, and were bagged until i got them, Where i took the picture, I never wore these pants, but I own alot of oakley gear including pants, and the same size which is how i knew the fit of the pants.
secondly I never saw any rips or tears, and was very responsive to the issue, showed many ways to resell the pants and worked to resolve the issue, however i let a pair of Antifrezze pants go for REDONK cheap.
and to all of you who know the Puffy 3.5 pants you know you buy these pants for looks not at all qaulity, there are numerous infact pages of threads that mention how easily the pants rip.
I dont really think it fair to be put on the BAD list, however I do appreciate the concern.
He was responsive in replying, but did not do much to actually recognize that he made a mistake. There was no apology. He did show one link for someone looking to buy the pants (not "many ways"), but I wasn't trying to sell, I was looking for him to recognize that he'd made a mistake and acknowledge that he would be more careful in the future.
In terms of resolving the issue. He said that a rep gave them to him and that I could try for warantee. However, this does not make sense because warantees only work with proof of purchase from an authorized dealer. He also said that the pants may be a "factory second." When selling, one should always check for condition... check for possible reasons why it may be a second rather than passing it off and new and perfect.
Price is not the issue and has nothing to do with why I am bringing this up.
Saying the pants are of poor quality is not an excuse for not accurately stating condition. Yes wear and tear happens eventually, but I like to receive things I buy in the condition stated.
In terms of being put on the BAD list, like I said I was hesitant to bring up the case because Bp. has a solid reputation on the site... and note the last few lines of what I said before...
"He did refer me to people who were looking for the pants in case I wanted to sell them, so I don't think he intended poorly as a seller. I'd just recommend anyone who may deal with him in the future to make sure he is being up front about the condition of the product being sold."
So I think it's totally Rowen's call. I just wanted to make the case known, not necessarily demanding Bp. be put on the list - it's just a complicated case.
Actually, its up to the both of you whether BP should have a bad action sidenote. The way bad actions are resolved and taken off the list is such:
Both members need to publically or privately (via PM with me) agree that the dispute over said item transacted over the site is settled. Both members have to conceed that the name should be taken off the list. Only then will it be removed. Whatever kind of deals or negotiations that go on behind the scenes, both members need to give the OK for the name to be removed. I say both because consent is needed from all members involved in the dispute.
(I realize that by this, people can pull the asshole card and give someone a bad rap and never agree to let them off the list. However, this is already a trust based system, and if you are found to be doing this with no proof, action will be taken against you through the site admins.)
So BP, Steph: If both of you agree his name should be down and the dispute considered settled, then PM or post. If the NSTOR file would better serve people with that information remaining on there, then keep it that way.
Both members need to publically or privately (via PM with me) agree that the dispute over said item transacted over the site is settled. Both members have to conceed that the name should be taken off the list. Only then will it be removed. Whatever kind of deals or negotiations that go on behind the scenes, both members need to give the OK for the name to be removed. I say both because consent is needed from all members involved in the dispute.
(I realize that by this, people can pull the asshole card and give someone a bad rap and never agree to let them off the list. However, this is already a trust based system, and if you are found to be doing this with no proof, action will be taken against you through the site admins.)
So BP, Steph: If both of you agree his name should be down and the dispute considered settled, then PM or post. If the NSTOR file would better serve people with that information remaining on there, then keep it that way.
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“To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity.” --Douglas Adams
“To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity.” --Douglas Adams
^ Thanks for clarifying. I'll stand by keeping him in the file then. Honestly, the only thing that kept me back from blowing up was being respectful of his reputation for being a good contributer to the site. He may not be a bad guy, but he really had poor selling practices.
I mean, actually, he didn't ship when he said he would and he didn't give the stickers he promised either. I was going to let those things slide, but I could not go unspoken when it came to the unstated rip and stains.
In terms of considering it resolved, I easily would have if I received some form of an apology for any of what happened. As polite as I was when raising the multiple issues, not once did he apologize. That makes me think he does not even recognize fault in any of what he did.
Two other times I have been involved in transactions where the product had a flaw that was missed by the seller (once as a buyer, once as a seller):
As a buyer: I let the seller know that one velcro patch on a new jacket was only half stitched on. He apologized for not realizing and immediately refunded me some money, telling me to bring it to a tailor to get it fixed.
As a seller: Once when sending 2 tee-shirts to SkierJulie. I noticed just as I was boxing them that there was actually a stain on the back of one tee. I immediately took a picture of it and added an extra Nomics t-shirt to the box and sent both pics to SkierJulie, saying Sorry...I hope that it's okay... and so on.
In this case, I wasn't even expecting as much, just a genuine apology or if i'm lucky a "I'm really sorry. I'll send those stickers I never sent you in the first place your way." would have been nice. Yet, nothing of the sort happened - no acknowledgement of being wrong, no magical word 'sorry.'
I waited 3 weeks before I posted the case, so that was plenty of time for an apology on his end. Now that it's been almost a month, it's a sign that he still feels he has not done anything wrong.
So, I'll stand by my words of caution.
I mean, actually, he didn't ship when he said he would and he didn't give the stickers he promised either. I was going to let those things slide, but I could not go unspoken when it came to the unstated rip and stains.
In terms of considering it resolved, I easily would have if I received some form of an apology for any of what happened. As polite as I was when raising the multiple issues, not once did he apologize. That makes me think he does not even recognize fault in any of what he did.
Two other times I have been involved in transactions where the product had a flaw that was missed by the seller (once as a buyer, once as a seller):
As a buyer: I let the seller know that one velcro patch on a new jacket was only half stitched on. He apologized for not realizing and immediately refunded me some money, telling me to bring it to a tailor to get it fixed.
As a seller: Once when sending 2 tee-shirts to SkierJulie. I noticed just as I was boxing them that there was actually a stain on the back of one tee. I immediately took a picture of it and added an extra Nomics t-shirt to the box and sent both pics to SkierJulie, saying Sorry...I hope that it's okay... and so on.
In this case, I wasn't even expecting as much, just a genuine apology or if i'm lucky a "I'm really sorry. I'll send those stickers I never sent you in the first place your way." would have been nice. Yet, nothing of the sort happened - no acknowledgement of being wrong, no magical word 'sorry.'
I waited 3 weeks before I posted the case, so that was plenty of time for an apology on his end. Now that it's been almost a month, it's a sign that he still feels he has not done anything wrong.
So, I'll stand by my words of caution.
bda10889 is a great buyer
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Quoting NSTO from Apr 25 2007 7:23:09:
Hey all, a new page, another version of the NSTOR file. First, a few things:
1) Good news! NS is starting to crack down on aliases, so buying/selling should get a little safer.
2) If you want to change your username, go right ahead, but if you want the NSTOR file to include that, you gotta PM me.
Ok, thats all I've got I guess. Here's the new updated file, and remember to use it!
http://www.mediafire.com/?8ydmyf1tzim
are you an alias? Hey all, a new page, another version of the NSTOR file. First, a few things:
1) Good news! NS is starting to crack down on aliases, so buying/selling should get a little safer.
2) If you want to change your username, go right ahead, but if you want the NSTOR file to include that, you gotta PM me.
Ok, thats all I've got I guess. Here's the new updated file, and remember to use it!
http://www.mediafire.com/?8ydmyf1tzim
In short, this is my signature.
ARR-MAH-DUH
ARR-MAH-DUH
Quoting lyndon from May 11 2007 4:27:40:
are you an alias?
Pretty much goes without saying. However, its too keep the program as unbiased as possible. are you an alias?
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“To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity.” --Douglas Adams
“To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity.” --Douglas Adams
On my end, i Still Feel that the reputation and your Reaction is a bit rash and unfair, Theres a risk from anything that comes from it, I'd also like to mention that my shipping was on time with your order and i stuck to my promise to get them to you on time (upgraded to Fedex 2 day, dint charge you for shipping), and you never told me I forgot stickers, I'm sorry i forgot the stickers.
But im really dissapointed that you have gone this far into an argument about this and saying its "unresolved", I was responsice to all your PM's gave you the option to resell the pants and answered all of your questions promptly.
I see no practices of being a "bad" seller, This is the type of rash reaction i'd expect if i didnt ship the gear, or stole money from you.
I stand 100% on everything i sell, and in most cases when i find it fair i refund, I shipped Slopestyle4331 posters he paid $5 for, he never received them so i refunded him 110%, he made a dollar off of the deal.
*steph* I'm not adding you to any bad sellet lists (and rowen please omit her), but this is seriously the worst transaction i've had on NS.
But im really dissapointed that you have gone this far into an argument about this and saying its "unresolved", I was responsice to all your PM's gave you the option to resell the pants and answered all of your questions promptly.
I see no practices of being a "bad" seller, This is the type of rash reaction i'd expect if i didnt ship the gear, or stole money from you.
I stand 100% on everything i sell, and in most cases when i find it fair i refund, I shipped Slopestyle4331 posters he paid $5 for, he never received them so i refunded him 110%, he made a dollar off of the deal.
*steph* I'm not adding you to any bad sellet lists (and rowen please omit her), but this is seriously the worst transaction i've had on NS.
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Brian "bp" Landrigan
The worst they can say is NO.
DURAN DURAN! YEWWWW!
www.theskilife.com
Brian "bp" Landrigan
The worst they can say is NO.
DURAN DURAN! YEWWWW!
www.theskilife.com
[-Willy-] is legit. got my sandlas about a week and a half after i sent the money.
but i just made that up
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Why would Hilary make a bad president?
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(in response to Bp.)
Actually, the delay in shipping made the difference of 4 days. One major reason why I decided to buy was because I wanted the pants for my last trip of the season. Originally according to FedEx timetables, I would've gotten them Friday before I left. Instead, I got them Tuesday. So, it was still a 4 day difference. Secondly, I did tell mention that you didn't send the stickers in a PM. Nevertheless, like I have said, these aren't the main issues.
What you did with the posters situation.. well that was great, but...
I just don't understand how someone can sell something not in the condition they stated and refuse any fault and completely assume no form of responsibility.
If that is the case, then anyone can sell something to a seller with stains or a tear that they did not mention and then say something like, "Well I sold them to you for a great price so it doesn't matter that it has blemishes I didn't notice! Since the price was good, that totally makes what happened okay of me and I have done nothing wrong. So sell them off to this kid or just enjoy them!"
Like I've said a bunch of times. I was not even expecting money back, just a genuine apology for not mentioning the blemishes. That's all.
Actually, the delay in shipping made the difference of 4 days. One major reason why I decided to buy was because I wanted the pants for my last trip of the season. Originally according to FedEx timetables, I would've gotten them Friday before I left. Instead, I got them Tuesday. So, it was still a 4 day difference. Secondly, I did tell mention that you didn't send the stickers in a PM. Nevertheless, like I have said, these aren't the main issues.
What you did with the posters situation.. well that was great, but...
I just don't understand how someone can sell something not in the condition they stated and refuse any fault and completely assume no form of responsibility.
If that is the case, then anyone can sell something to a seller with stains or a tear that they did not mention and then say something like, "Well I sold them to you for a great price so it doesn't matter that it has blemishes I didn't notice! Since the price was good, that totally makes what happened okay of me and I have done nothing wrong. So sell them off to this kid or just enjoy them!"
Like I've said a bunch of times. I was not even expecting money back, just a genuine apology for not mentioning the blemishes. That's all.
triple_strum as we all know is a great guy. we traded goggles and everything went smoothly
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LibertySkier1 was a good seller, bought a SPY banner and it looks dope, also came in a good poster package and was in prime condition
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NPM is a quality guy to deal with - all went smooth.
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I just want to finish a season healthy, is that too much to ask? :/
Donate to newschoolers, it gives you so much!
My response to kids and people on the chair lift: "yes, I am sure I'm an 8th grade teacher" :)
Is there a rule against teachers having fun and a little style too? Greene county schools represent!
I just want to finish a season healthy, is that too much to ask? :/
Donate to newschoolers, it gives you so much!
My response to kids and people on the chair lift: "yes, I am sure I'm an 8th grade teacher" :)
Is there a rule against teachers having fun and a little style too? Greene county schools represent!
[-willy-] is legit
but seriously, i have aids.
buying from skibum2517 went well
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illiance, Devon, England, UK
illiance, Devon, England, UK
*ryan* is legiiit. the best seller i have done buisness with so far :)
He's a great guy. easy to get in touch with too.
As borat says :"Very Nice" ;D
is legiiit. the best seller i have done buisness with so far :)He's a great guy. easy to get in touch with too.
As borat says :"Very Nice" ;D
Serriously, this is so sick. It wouldnt be such a smart thing to tell, but once there was a guy like you, who didnt know that it is my signature youre reading right now!
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S t e e z Y E | | | | | Hmm, Jeaa.
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slopestyle4331
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Want some free stickers quick? >>>>> http://www.obermeyer.com/stickers.html
The official steeze club!
WMH
JC
Want some free stickers quick? >>>>> http://www.obermeyer.com/stickers.html
The official steeze club!
WMH
JC
icywhite=very good seller shipped real fast
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official steez club
RUSS BUSS LOVES YOU SO SHOW SOME LOVE TO RUSSBUSS
official steez club
def icywhite is a legit seller
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buy my shit!
http://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/294008/
buy my shit!
http://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/294008/
japanda is legit. pants came fast and as promised
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"its the best when your going commando in jeans and she starts dry humpping. by the time your done you dick looks like a pencil eraser" - stevens
Theres a war goin on outside, no man is safe from.
"its the best when your going commando in jeans and she starts dry humpping. by the time your done you dick looks like a pencil eraser" - stevens
Theres a war goin on outside, no man is safe from.
Quoting pblcenemy101 from May 19 2007 3:51:57:
def icywhite is a legit seller
and buyer def icywhite is a legit seller
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buy my shit!
http://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/294008/
buy my shit!
http://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/294008/
jex bought skis from me. good buyer, paypalled me within minutes!
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ill be super rich and own mt.hood and let everybody from ns ski for free... except freezed
-hoodratz47
ill be super rich and own mt.hood and let everybody from ns ski for free... except freezed
-hoodratz47
Quoting freezed from May 20 2007 4:56:07:
jex bought skis from me. good buyer, paypalled me within minutes!
Right back at ya....freezed sent me the skis asap and where in perfect condition. Definately a legit seller. from May 20 2007 4:56:07:jex bought skis from me. good buyer, paypalled me within minutes!
Big fall a day says there's a pro on the way!!
U.N.GNAR
U.N.GNAR
NPM
lsquared and scratch2110 are great buyers amazingly fast payments!
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buy my shit!
http://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/294008/
buy my shit!
http://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/294008/
NPM is mad legit! Buy his shit!
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http://www.highsocietyfreeride.com
http://www.onemountainclothing.com
http://www.skullcandy.com
http://www.highsocietyfreeride.com
http://www.onemountainclothing.com
http://www.skullcandy.com
pblcenemy101 is a mad legit seller
nashbuck good seller. i paypaled him the money he shipped the next day. super legit
sean was quality. i paid. he shipped no probs. overcharged me for shipping, but when i told him he paid me the difference.
I got a high five from Candide in the summer of 2005. i still haven't washed my hands!
J-Weis is a legit trader.
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"When you and you and you see I and I here, don't think I come here for an entertainment. I and I come to flash lightnin', earthquake, and thunder in these places of destruction and unrighteousness." -Peter Tosh
"Made by pirates, for pirates." -quebecfreestyler
Washington Represent!!!
NSTO
Gesr Pimp: I might just hook you up.
"When you and you and you see I and I here, don't think I come here for an entertainment. I and I come to flash lightnin', earthquake, and thunder in these places of destruction and unrighteousness." -Peter Tosh
"Made by pirates, for pirates." -quebecfreestyler
Washington Represent!!!
NSTO
Gesr Pimp: I might just hook you up.
[e]heath$$ legit seller, fast delivery, good price.
just remember, take things a day at a time..
icywhite- good trader, traded lenses and they were in perfect condition
pblcenemy101 is a legit seller
Quoting hawaiiansteeze from May 23 2007 2:47:02:
nashbuck good seller. i paypaled him the money he shipped the next day. super legit
yea this kid paypalled me the money right away legit buyer
nashbuck good seller. i paypaled him the money he shipped the next day. super legit
WPwhit36 was a great buyer money came fast
FlyinRyan
A friend would bail you out of jail. A true friend would be sitting next to you in the cell saying "man that was awesome"
NO GRAVITY
A friend would bail you out of jail. A true friend would be sitting next to you in the cell saying "man that was awesome"
NO GRAVITY
Park_rIDER_435 is legit
But thats a whole different story on its own
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x.R.W.T.F.x - wireless controllers?
eastAR5 - what do u think is this 1999
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x.R.W.T.F.x - wireless controllers?
eastAR5 - what do u think is this 1999
Wolverine21 legit seller. sent check to him and he mailed the pants out when he cashed it. super chill guy too
oaktown is a good seller
got some crowbars off him and he shipped quick
got some crowbars off him and he shipped quick
OLDSCHOOL CULT
Quoting DannyMac$ from May 29 2007 10:42:50:
oaktown is a good seller
got some crowbars off him and he shipped quick
dannymac is a true mack and a great buyer.
oaktown is a good seller
got some crowbars off him and he shipped quick
Quoting DannyMac$ from May 29 2007 10:42:50:
oaktown is a good seller
got some crowbars off him and he shipped quick
dannymac is legit he sent my jacket fast and at a good price
oaktown is a good seller
got some crowbars off him and he shipped quick
WPwhit36 is mad legit to trade with
japanada-good gu to buy from
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^NPM legit as hell!
npm is ligit as usual
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so is ssk, another returning customer
man i rule
jk, but seriously.
man i rule
jk, but seriously.
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Quoting npm$ from May 31 2007 12:35:48:
so is ssk, another returning customer
man i rule
jk, but seriously.
not as much as i do so is ssk, another returning customer
man i rule
jk, but seriously.
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"When you and you and you see I and I here, don't think I come here for an entertainment. I and I come to flash lightnin', earthquake, and thunder in these places of destruction and unrighteousness." -Peter Tosh
"Made by pirates, for pirates." -quebecfreestyler
Washington Represent!!!
NSTO
Gesr Pimp: I might just hook you up.
"When you and you and you see I and I here, don't think I come here for an entertainment. I and I come to flash lightnin', earthquake, and thunder in these places of destruction and unrighteousness." -Peter Tosh
"Made by pirates, for pirates." -quebecfreestyler
Washington Represent!!!
NSTO
Gesr Pimp: I might just hook you up.
Jetman - good buyer, responds to PM's. Paid quickly (with a check, but hey! not everyone's got paypal). Good guy to deal with.
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ill be super rich and own mt.hood and let everybody from ns ski for free... except freezed
-hoodratz47
ill be super rich and own mt.hood and let everybody from ns ski for free... except freezed
-hoodratz47
bret sold me his video camera.
everything was great. he is a great seller and everyone should buy from him again
"collars up are officially gay, but layering 2 polo shirts is still acceptable"
-ATLANTASKI
pm me if you would like an invitation to the jokes cult
everything was great. he is a great seller and everyone should buy from him again
"collars up are officially gay, but layering 2 polo shirts is still acceptable"
-ATLANTASKI
pm me if you would like an invitation to the jokes cult
Ya freezed was super good responded quickly and everything was what he said it was
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