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Armada tell Rossignol to cease and desist.

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-Tristan-
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Obviously not the little guy anymore.



Sorry if this is a repost, I searched and found nothing.

Oct 25 2010 11:45PM
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PaleCelery
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Link is broken... I googled this though and I find it fairly interesting. I'm surprised it isnt bigger news on here?

From my understanding they are saying that rossignol is biting their elf shoe tech... interesting to see if it holds up in court. My guess is that it wont.
Oct 26 2010 12:11AM
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Chaka
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Who knows what this could lead to. I think this is just another good reminder that the ski industry is only just a business.
Oct 26 2010 12:14AM
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Gstrong
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http://www.exoticskis.com/ExoticSkis/Industry/Rossignol_ArmadaPatents/Rossignol_v_Aramada_2010Oct_Complaint_Case%20210-cv-01008-CW.pdf

ahaha
Oct 26 2010 12:14AM
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Yung_Gnarley
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so dumb
Oct 26 2010 12:49AM
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jeremy.g
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ski companies need to stop suing ski companies. its only gonna hurt the industry in the long run.
Oct 26 2010 1:20AM
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Myfirstname.
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What? That's crazy. Sounds like a lame move on armada's part, but we'll see once i have a little more information.
Oct 26 2010 2:08AM
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Tablespoon
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Not a cool move by Armada at all.
Oct 26 2010 4:16AM
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wrenegade
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This is a grade a douchebag move by Armada. Their ARG was a straight up copy of DPS' Lotus 138. And that is the exact reason I bought it at the time. Shane is the only one who could have any sort of patent on this technology, hell JP mentioned in the ARG's original description on their website how without Shane's ideas, the ski would have never came to fruition!

Fuck Armada.
Oct 26 2010 5:06AM
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paige.
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That argument won't go far in the legal world. DPS (I assume) didn't have the technology patented. Maybe Armada copying their design was unethical, but legally they were in the clear. However, Armada has already demonstrated that in this instance the technology is 'theirs' and that is why they were given the patent in the first place. If Rossignol's technology is shown to be especially similar to Armada's Armada is legally in the right. And as much as I hate to see this happening in the ski industry, I can understand why they would feel the need to protect their claims. It is something they put their time and money into developing.
Oct 26 2010 5:41AM
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starsky_hucks
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Armada has sent cease and desist letters to a number of small and large ski companies claiming their models infringe upon Armada's patented geometry. One of those companies is Rossignol.

who else?

hasnt the ski community shown thats it not ok to take legal action against another company..

Scott has lost all credibility for going after on3p, take a leaf armada...

Oct 26 2010 6:56AM
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onenerdykid
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as I understand it, it will involve anyone else that wants to use camber under foot and early rise in the tip and tail- pretty much every company in the entire ski industry.
Oct 26 2010 7:00AM
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nutsnbolts
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Id like to see Armada take this one, not a huge fan of rossy, although i loooove my rossy poles
Oct 26 2010 8:34AM
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steve0
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After reading that whole thing, Armada is basically fucked. It seems Rossi had already pattented their "Elf Shoe Technology" Back in 2006. Armada has a pattent on what is essentially the same technology but didn't recieve the pattent until 2010. They're gonna lose this one fair and square. Grab your JJ's while you can because I'm predicting they get pulled from production.

Oct 26 2010 8:58AM
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nutsnbolts
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Bummmmmmmmer
Oct 26 2010 9:00AM
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Session
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Are you stupid? Do you realize what kind of precedence that would set in the ski industry? Patenting a range of shapes hurts the consumer, and makes the industry stale. And this can only end up bad for Armada. Just like the whole Scott deal. They have the most sack ridden pro in the industry on their ski's. Yet the only place I ever see them is on Tramdock, and I sure as hell don't see them on the hill.

Douche move by Armada
Oct 26 2010 9:57AM
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Chompo.
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Dumb move by armada, but I love my jj's
Oct 26 2010 10:27AM
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wrenegade
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DPS had a number of patents in place before Armada released the ARG or the JJ. A 5 dimensional ski is not something they invented. This is absolute bullshit and could set a horrible precedent for the ski industry. Rossignol has lawyered-up and already counter-sued them and they surely have deeper pockets to see this one through.

Paging JD to the white legal courtesy phone. What's your take?
Oct 26 2010 11:31AM
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Scrambles
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quick! somebody put a patent on cambered skis!
Oct 26 2010 11:51AM
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PaleCelery
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doubt that, rossignol is struggling right now. Read the article in powder magazine this month.

And I guess the issue here isn't so much the camber underfoot/ rocker tip and tail combo, its the technology where the tip taper starts at the same place that the rocker does.

I am very interested to see how this whole debacle turns out
Oct 26 2010 12:25PM
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Tablespoon
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Holy fuck you are dumb.
If Armada won this, this would suck major butt for the entire Industry.
Oct 26 2010 12:44PM
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PaleCelery
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Agree, this kid is retarded. It would set a terrible precedent. Then whats next? Claiming that the dimensions of a ski are too similar

Also, this should be moved to ski gabber IMO
Oct 26 2010 3:33PM
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Pklink04
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What about the AR5, Armada totally based their design from the Rossi Scratch.
Oct 26 2010 4:36PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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anyone who doesn't like rossi probably doesn't think they're core enough. ski companies suing other ski companies is dumb. Plus there's tons of skis with similar shapes.
Oct 26 2010 5:13PM
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RudyGarmisch
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And all the companies that make those shapes could get royally screwed by whichever company wins patent rights on the technology. Which is why this whole thing is basically really really really uncool.
Oct 26 2010 5:24PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Please please please post this in the thread about this on TGR, your voice needs to be heard.
Oct 26 2010 5:25PM
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wrenegade
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This should be in Ski Gabber, be stickied, and everyone who cares about the ski industry should write an email to Armada to tell them to back the fuck off. This could snowball into a big fucking disaster where everyone has to lawyer-up to defend their product. Many companies (indies especially) would have to close their doors if they ever had to defend themselves against Amer Sports (Atomic, Salomon) or K2 Inc. or any other of the majors as the legal fees would bleed them dry, even if they had done nothing wrong. This is absolutely disgusting. I will never purchase another Armada product again.
Oct 26 2010 5:31PM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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yeah I know. that would be horrible too. and I wish i could double quote cause your post right under the one I quoted is funny.
Oct 26 2010 5:53PM
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Scrambles
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boycott jj's if they win
Oct 26 2010 6:01PM
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Jonny7
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honestly that's lame from Armada, hope the thread gets stickied and that Armada will read it.
Oct 26 2010 6:06PM
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DHogg
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I really hope this backfires for armada. Such a weak move.

Oct 26 2010 6:09PM
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.Duncan.
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Well this makes me regret my purchase of alpha 2's :(
Oct 26 2010 6:12PM
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pigglywiggly
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Fuck that. Boycott all of Armada. This is one of the biggest dick moves someone could try to pull off.
Oct 26 2010 6:21PM
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no_steeze
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fuck armada, seriously. i'm gonna patent the next shit i take and sue whoever takes a shit that resembles the shape of mine
Oct 26 2010 6:23PM
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arandomname
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He really needs to.

And I feel like some people are reading the thread in TGR then bringing it here to act like they know their shit because everything I've seen hear I saw in the TGR thread.

But really, fuck Armada.  I'm about to send Armada an e-mail with links to this thread and the TGR thread, just to show them how much they're fucking themselves over.

Oct 26 2010 6:35PM
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no_steeze
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but then they'll know it was you who sent the email!!


plus if that's not enough incentive, it's a terrible idea
Oct 26 2010 6:37PM
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arandomname
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then bringing information found from there*

And to Gator, I wouldn't care if they know it was me.  I'm going to send them that e-mail after I eat dinner.  While I'm gone, someone wanna give me an e-mail that they would actually see?

Oct 26 2010 6:43PM
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Phormat
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It doesn't make sense that having both camber and rocker is even patentable. I mean both technologies existed separately and frankly it really isn't that innovative to combine both. Rossignol was having some financial trouble, so if this is Armadas attempt to sweep them under the table that blows.
Oct 26 2010 6:44PM
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Ben.
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lol this quote already made TGR
Oct 26 2010 7:15PM
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summersover
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that is some fucking bullshit
Oct 26 2010 7:23PM
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Phormat
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Sadly NS got ripped on again. I still loled
Oct 26 2010 7:23PM
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-Tristan-
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If a mod wants to move this to Ski Gabber I'm all for it. Thought it might be more of a gear related issue but it needs to get out there.

This could set some really shitty precedents in the ski industry. Imagine if Elan were the only company out there allowed to make skis with sidecut, if Line were the only ones making twin tips, or if K2, Volant (although I dont think they own any patents) or even DPS for that matter were the only company out there making rockered skis. Those are extreme examples but if Armada set a precedent concerning ski patents here it could mean the end of most small companies as we know them as well as any competition between larger brands.

I cant even believe I'm writing this about a company I once considered as one of the most innovative and respectable ski brands out there. I think McConkey would be pretty unimpressed right about now.
Oct 26 2010 7:25PM
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paige.
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My bad. I'd always assumed that Armada had taken the designs from DPS before DPS had patented them.

Does anyone know the details of Armada's patent? Because I assume it would have to be pretty specific with regards to how the ski is constructed etc. But if it really is just pretty much any ski with camber + early rise that is ridiculous. I can't see them winning that (though I don't really see how they could get a patent for something that vague in the first place).
Oct 26 2010 7:26PM
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Scrambles
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lololol i saw that too
Oct 26 2010 7:32PM
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Newschool_Pope
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is tanner drunk again or how did they get this BS idea?

this is just sad for the skiing community and the industry.
Oct 26 2010 7:56PM
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207
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Tanner is probably drunk, like I wish I was joking.

This is sick, the ski industry cannot do this to one another.
Oct 26 2010 7:57PM
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ace_
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sheit
Oct 26 2010 8:01PM
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greenman
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i dont see this ending well for anyone
Oct 26 2010 8:02PM
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j.bird
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Oct 26 2010 8:03PM
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pghjibber
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rumor has it that some/if not all the money they make off this is going to charitable organizations

and if you actual read the armada patent application, you would be suprised how detailed they were with the exact dimensions, the percentage of sidecut, where the rocker begins to bend, etc.

hold off judgment until you get your facts straight
Oct 26 2010 8:07PM
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Newschool_Pope
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now its time for armada and rossi to make a statement.
Oct 26 2010 8:08PM
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